What would it take for non-RC Christians to join the RCC?

samcarternx · Jan 10, 2016

When thw earthy becomes the Spiritual.

Rick Otto · Jan 10, 2016

Open Heart said:
Just because baptizing was not really Paul's main job doesn't mean it wasn't an important part of getting saved.

Yes it does.

Rick Otto · Jan 10, 2016

Open Heart said:
Everyone has a conscience. It's not a matter of conscience and right and wrong. It's a matter of AUTHORITY for doctrine. Who is going to interpret things?

By fact of necessity, everyone interprets everything. That's who.

Open Heart · Jan 11, 2016

Rick Otto said:
By fact of necessity, everyone interprets everything. That's who.

I depend upon the CC for correct interpretation of Scripture. I would never presume to think that I alone could figure it all out -- how arrogant that would be.

Rick Otto · Jan 11, 2016

Open Heart said:
I depend upon the CC for correct interpretation of Scripture. I would never presume to think that I alone could figure it all out -- how arrogant that would be.

Yes. I depend upon the Holy Spirit for correct interpretation. We all have our favorites.

Open Heart · Jan 11, 2016

Rick Otto said:
Yes. I depend upon the Holy Spirit for correct interpretation. We all have our favorites.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And the people who depend on the Holy Spirit now have thousands of different denominations because of course they all agree with how to interpret.

Rick Otto · Jan 11, 2016

Open Heart said:
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And the people who depend on the Holy Spirit now have thousands of different denominations because of course they all agree with how to interpret.

Your problem. Not mine.

Open Heart · Jan 11, 2016

Rick Otto said:
Your problem. Not mine.

It's not MY problem. I'm not Protestant. You are the one who has to defend "interpreting the Bible through the Holy Spirit."

Rick Otto · Jan 11, 2016

Open Heart said:
It's not MY problem. I'm not Protestant. You are the one who has to defend "interpreting the Bible through the Holy Spirit."

I don't have to defend anything. That is still your problem, not mine.

Open Heart · Jan 12, 2016

Rick Otto said:
I don't have to defend anything. That is still your problem, not mine.

As long as you present "interpreting the Bible through the Holy Spirit individually" as the best way of doing things, it is up to you to defend it. You don't HAVE to. But then, without a defense, your statement becomes only so much blah blah blah in the forum.

Thursday · Jan 12, 2016

Rick Otto said:
No, thank you. I grew up Roman Catholic and had major disagreement with it starting in 1st grade catechism.
In fourth grade when they tried to teach me transubstantiation, I figured out I better learn t o keep my head down until I was old enough to walk away.

Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men. Not one of the Fathers of the Church, though so numerous, ever spoke as the Sacramentarians: not one of them ever said, It is only bread and wine; or, the body and blood of Christ is not there present.

Surely, it is not credible, nor possible, since they often speak, and repeat their sentiments, that they should never (if they thought so) not so much as once, say, or let slip these words: It is bread only; or the body of Christ is not there, especially it being of great importance, that men should not be deceived. Certainly, in so many Fathers, and in so many writings, thenegative might at least be found in one of them, had they thought the body and blood of Christ were not really present: but they are all of them unanimous.”

—Luther’s Collected Works, Wittenburg Edition, no. 7 p, 391

Rick Otto · Jan 12, 2016

Thursday said:
Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men. Not one of the Fathers of the Church, though so numerous, ever spoke as the Sacramentarians: not one of them ever said, It is only bread and wine; or, the body and blood of Christ is not there present.

Surely, it is not credible, nor possible, since they often speak, and repeat their sentiments, that they should never (if they thought so) not so much as once, say, or let slip these words: It is bread only; or the body of Christ is not there, especially it being of great importance, that men should not be deceived. Certainly, in so many Fathers, and in so many writings, thenegative might at least be found in one of them, had they thought the body and blood of Christ were not really present: but they are all of them unanimous.”

—Luther’s Collected Works, Wittenburg Edition, no. 7 p, 391

Luther and Zwingli disagreed.
I call that Luther's mistake.
He simply reflects the confusion between "spiritual" and "real" that most people never resolve.

Rick Otto · Jan 12, 2016

Open Heart said:
As long as you present "interpreting the Bible through the Holy Spirit individually" as the best way of doing things, it is up to you to defend it. You don't HAVE to. But then, without a defense, your statement becomes only so much blah blah blah in the forum.

No ma'am.

I don't bait and switch with you, so please don't try it on me.

You iterated multiple denominations as a problem, not me. Own it.

Thursday · Jan 13, 2016

Rick Otto said:
Luther and Zwingli disagreed.
I call that Luther's mistake.
He simply reflects the confusion between "spiritual" and "real" that most people never resolve.

Do you believe that a person who gives their life to Jesus becomes a new creation?

patricius79 · Jan 13, 2016

aChildOfMary said:
No one has seen to answer your question seriously so I'll answer it.

Firstly you must make contact with a catholic priest, this can be a priest in the Latin Rite or if you like a priest in the Eastern Rite of our church.

Then you tell father exactly how you feel and share you're desire to become catholic.

Some people stay in touch with the church through frequent meetings with father and then after a while you get enrolled in RCIA if you still want to decern the faith.
Others may only meet with father as RCIA is the standard way of entrance, but not the only way.
Some candidates don't fit into the program and will be handled differently.

After approximately 6 months of catechese you'll be recieved into the church if youre still interested and father think you're ready to step into a lifelong commitment with the church.

Our view on the church is different than the one of protestants.
We see it as a lifelong marriage where protestants tend to see it as a more loose connection.

(Some cases takes much longer to settle than the standard way that I described as some people have to work our annulments, baptismal papers etc prior to reception)

May we all be one!

LittleLambofJesus · Jan 17, 2016

Thursday said:
Do you believe that a person who gives their life to Jesus becomes a new creation?

According to Catholicism, only if they become Catholic, imho........

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Thursday · Jan 17, 2016

LittleLambofJesus said:
According to Catholicism, only if they become Catholic, imho........

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Actually, Catholics accept all Trinitarian baptisms as legitimate and regenerative.

Here's more on what the Church actually teaches in this regard:

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

Rick Otto · Jan 17, 2016

Thursday said:
Do you believe that a person who gives their life to Jesus becomes a new creation?

I believe people give their life because they have become a new creation.
I believe salvation is an event, not a process. Maturing in the faith is not becoming saved. We mature in faith (give our lives to Jesus) BECAUSE we have "become a new creation".
Just my perspective brother, not a reason for us to cancel the next round.

Rick Otto · Jan 17, 2016

Thursday said:
Actually, Catholics accept all Trinitarian baptisms as legitimate and regenerative.

Here's more on what the Church actually teaches in this regard:

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

Thanks for going to the trouble of giving cited quotes.
I do appreciate that.
Very instructive. Good form, sir.
That's from the catechism, right?

LaSorcia · Jan 17, 2016

If women were recognized as legitimate for ordination, I would most likely be a Catholic (or Orthodox).

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