Anti-Christ European Who is the harlot (harlot) in Revelation 17?
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I watched that and some other videos by that same group in the past. I watch alot of you tube videos even though I don't hold the same position, just because videos can be a good source of information.
There is some good information in there, but they are amiss regarding the role of Islam, and their notion of a muslim Antichrist. The speaker I don't think realizes that a muslim can't be the Antichrist - because the person has to become the King of Israel, Son of David - the promised great King of Israel to the Jews. Not just someone who claims to have all the solutions to the world's problems, supports a peace treaty, calling himself or by others as the messiah... because the word doesn't mean glorified hero.
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They did rule christianity for the first 14 centuries, ruled half the world for a good portion of it too.
The Pope is trying to bring Christendom back together, but the church is in such a mess in the west, (divided) will be a challenge for him to pull it off.
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Are we looking for an anti christ? Is the pope and the Catholic Church anti christ? They professes Jesus as there lord and Savior so not sure if they can be considered an anti christ.
But you all make a good case, TBH I have no idea
Have not the knowledge
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But you all make a good case, TBH I have no idea
Have not the knowledge
God bless
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No I would not say antichrist. I believe that that have bad doctrine concerning Mary, transubstantiation, and too much adoration for the Pope, and some other issues, which would make the Pope a false prophet (not the false prophet in Revelation) teaching the people things that don't come from God. But the RCC does maintain that Jesus is God, and don't deny his name, nor his power; so they are not antichrist.
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But the Pope's idea is not that Catholics will be under Kenneth Copeland, but that Kenneth Copeland crowd will be under the Pope and Vatican rule. Kenneth Copeland is messed up himself. The reason I linked the video it shows the Vatican's desire to put all of Christianity under it's and the Pope control.
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Who in the world are you talking to? Did you just finally learned the ancient names of all these countries and is looking for a pat on the back to celebrate your recent discovery?
When you make a claim like this that Christ fights against these countries, you better select the right scriptures to prove your point instead of randomly throwing darts because His returns in wrath and vengeance is near the end of the tribulation to judge the world. He does not return before or in the beginning of the tribulation to judge the world.
Case and point. Examples below.
Joel 3:4-8 does not happen when Christ return, this happens in the first half near the beginning of the tribulation: Isaiah 23:15. When God gathers all of Israel together: Joel 3:1, it happens in the first half of the tribulation. They will return to help build the 3rd temple. Armageddon begins in Joel 3:9 when when God gathers all nations for war and Christ returns.
Ezekiel 28 is also not about the end of the tribulation when Christ comes in judgement. Ezekiel 28:24-26 is about Israel during the first half of the tribulation when they will live in peace and prosperity during their regathering.
Ezekiel 28:24-26 NKJV
24 “And there shall no longer be a pricking brier or a painful thorn for the house of Israel from among all who are around them, who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord God.”
25 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “When I have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and am hallowed in them in the sight of the Gentiles, then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob. 26 And they will dwell safely there, build houses, and plant vineyards; yes, they will dwell securely, when I execute judgments on all those around them who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord their God.”’”
24 “And there shall no longer be a pricking brier or a painful thorn for the house of Israel from among all who are around them, who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord God.”
25 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “When I have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and am hallowed in them in the sight of the Gentiles, then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob. 26 And they will dwell safely there, build houses, and plant vineyards; yes, they will dwell securely, when I execute judgments on all those around them who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord their God.”’”
Isaiah 19:1-15 has already been fulfilled.
Isaiah 19:16-25 will be all fulfilled within the next two years as Israel will go to war against ISIS and expand it's borders into the Sinai. Egypt will be grateful after Israel defeated her enemies and will turn to God (Yahweh).
ISIS in Sinai threatens to attack Israel
11/11/15
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/ISIS-in-Sinai-threatens-to-attack-Israel-432684
11/11/15
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/1...reportedly-threatens-to-attack-israel-in.html
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Isaiah 19:1-15 GNT
1 This is a message about Egypt.
The Lord is coming to Egypt, riding swiftly on a cloud. The Egyptian idols tremble before him, and the people of Egypt lose their courage. 2 The Lord says, “I will stir up civil war in Egypt and turn brother against brother and neighbor against neighbor. Rival cities will fight each other, and rival kings will struggle for power. 3 I am going to frustrate the plans of the Egyptians and destroy their morale. They will ask their idols to help them, and they will go and consult mediums and ask the spirits of the dead for advice. 4 I will hand the Egyptians over to a tyrant, to a cruel king who will rule them. I, the Lord Almighty, have spoken.”
5 The water will be low in the Nile, and the river will gradually dry up. 6 The channels of the river will stink as they slowly go dry. Reeds and rushes will wither, 7 and all the crops planted along the banks of the Nile will dry up and be blown away. 8 Everyone who earns a living by fishing in the Nile will groan and cry; their hooks and their nets will be useless. 9 Those who make linen cloth will be in despair; 10 weavers and skilled workers will be broken and depressed.
11 The leaders of the city of Zoan are fools! Egypt's wisest people give stupid advice! How do they dare to tell the king that they are successors to the ancient scholars and kings? 12 King of Egypt, where are those clever advisers of yours? Perhaps they can tell you what plans the Lord Almighty has for Egypt. 13 The leaders of Zoan and Memphis are fools. They were supposed to lead the nation, but they have misled it. 14 The Lord has made them give confusing advice. As a result, Egypt does everything wrong and staggers like a drunk slipping on his own vomit. 15 No one in Egypt, rich or poor, important or unknown, can offer help.
1 This is a message about Egypt.
The Lord is coming to Egypt, riding swiftly on a cloud. The Egyptian idols tremble before him, and the people of Egypt lose their courage. 2 The Lord says, “I will stir up civil war in Egypt and turn brother against brother and neighbor against neighbor. Rival cities will fight each other, and rival kings will struggle for power. 3 I am going to frustrate the plans of the Egyptians and destroy their morale. They will ask their idols to help them, and they will go and consult mediums and ask the spirits of the dead for advice. 4 I will hand the Egyptians over to a tyrant, to a cruel king who will rule them. I, the Lord Almighty, have spoken.”
5 The water will be low in the Nile, and the river will gradually dry up. 6 The channels of the river will stink as they slowly go dry. Reeds and rushes will wither, 7 and all the crops planted along the banks of the Nile will dry up and be blown away. 8 Everyone who earns a living by fishing in the Nile will groan and cry; their hooks and their nets will be useless. 9 Those who make linen cloth will be in despair; 10 weavers and skilled workers will be broken and depressed.
11 The leaders of the city of Zoan are fools! Egypt's wisest people give stupid advice! How do they dare to tell the king that they are successors to the ancient scholars and kings? 12 King of Egypt, where are those clever advisers of yours? Perhaps they can tell you what plans the Lord Almighty has for Egypt. 13 The leaders of Zoan and Memphis are fools. They were supposed to lead the nation, but they have misled it. 14 The Lord has made them give confusing advice. As a result, Egypt does everything wrong and staggers like a drunk slipping on his own vomit. 15 No one in Egypt, rich or poor, important or unknown, can offer help.
An uprising and a revolution begins in Egypt, 2011. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Revolution_of_2011
2) Isaiah 19:4 I will hand the Egyptians over to a tyrant, to a cruel king who will rule them.
In 2012, Mohammed Morsi a member of the muslim brotherhood is elected president of Egypt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_presidential_election,_2012
3a) 2011-2013 the Nile river slowly drying up from the construction of an Ethiopian dam. And gradually polluting towns and villages depended upon the Nile.
Isaiah 19:5 The water will be low in the Nile, and the river will gradually dry up.
http://www.omegashock.com/2014/04/07/isaiah-19-being-fulfilled-nile-river-will-be-drying-up-soon/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26679225
3b) And gradually polluting towns and villages depended upon the Nile.
Isaiah 19:6-10
6 The channels of the river will stink as they slowly go dry. Reeds and rushes will wither, 7 and all the crops planted along the banks of the Nile will dry up and be blown away. 8 Everyone who earns a living by fishing in the Nile will groan and cry; their hooks and their nets will be useless. 9 Those who make linen cloth will be in despair; 10 weavers and skilled workers will be broken and depressed.
4) Egypt continues to wonder in circles with it's government.
Isaiah 19:11-15
11 The leaders of the city of Zoan are fools! Egypt's wisest people give stupid advice! How do they dare to tell the king that they are successors to the ancient scholars and kings? 12 King of Egypt, where are those clever advisers of yours? Perhaps they can tell you what plans the Lord Almighty has for Egypt. 13 The leaders of Zoan and Memphis are fools. They were supposed to lead the nation, but they have misled it. 14 The Lord has made them give confusing advice. As a result, Egypt does everything wrong and staggers like a drunk slipping on his own vomit. 15 No one in Egypt, rich or poor, important or unknown, can offer help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-coup_unrest_in_Egypt_(2013–2014)
Summery here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_crisis_(2011–14)
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Well, the video didn't give me that statement!
Just showed the Pope being friendly and wanting 'All' Christians to work together. Didnt say anything about the Pope wanting all denominations to fall under the Catholic church!
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Muslims believe Jesus is the christ, am I correct in saying that? (But they don't believe he is God)
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It would be nice for christians to all be United under one banner, but some of the Catholic churches modern doctrines I just don't buy into, hail mary prayer for instance (came in in the 15th century)
The western church is in such a mess, look how many denominations they are, most of them have little to no liturgy, they don't stick to the format the apostles handed down to us.
But what some of them do have is the holy spirit (power)
Some of them I believe have pagan spirit (power)
It is so confusing for a new christian in the west, which one is the real church (it's like some of them are completely different religions) (the devils work)
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What muslims believe about Jesus - the call him Isa - is that he was a prophet. They believe that Jesus did not die on the cross. But that God put someone else there, and made everyone think it was Jesus. Muslims also think that Christians perverted the New Testament to say that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead.
The muslim version of Jesus is that God took him alive to heaven.
And let everyone think it was Jesus who was crucified, but really someone else.
Muslims don't know enough to know whether Jesus was the Christ or not. The term actually reflects the great promised King of Israel, Son of David who God promised to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and harmony, and universal knowledge of the one True God.
When Christianity began spreading the gospel, the term Christ became equated with meaning Savior from our Sins. But in the context of what the disciples were expecting and what Jews of today are looking for is not a messiah in terms of being a Savior from our Sins, but the promised great King of Israel.
That understanding of "the" Christ back before the resurrection and Christianity is actually reflected by the thief words on the cross mocking Jesus in Mark 15:32. imo, btw, the two thiefs represent (1) sinners like us who become saved, like the one thief who had faith in Jesus (2) the sinners who reject Jesus, like the thief that mocked him.
Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
That's a good verse to know because it makes it clear as to what Christ actually means. And therefore what the Antichrist will have to be - he becomes the King of Israel (for a short time), instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel, but was rejected by his own.
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Yes to my understanding they believe he will return as the christ to rule the earth from Jerusalem, am I correct?
So are muslims anti christ? This is something I feel we need to get to the bottom of.
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Hail Mary is a lovely prayer. Its not a prayer of worship. And Elizabeth said she was Blessed:
Luke 1:42 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
This has obviously be put into the Hail Mary. A prayer that is full of Jesus! If you read more about the prayer and why we pray it it will surely help you understand the power and importance of such a prayer.
Yes, there are 1,000s of denominations these days as people just could not or would not stick with the true, original 'Catholic' church. The church brought to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ!
Luke 1:42 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
This has obviously be put into the Hail Mary. A prayer that is full of Jesus! If you read more about the prayer and why we pray it it will surely help you understand the power and importance of such a prayer.
Yes, there are 1,000s of denominations these days as people just could not or would not stick with the true, original 'Catholic' church. The church brought to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ!
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Am I correct in saying you are asking Mary to intercess for you?
The prayer got Canon in the 15th century I'm just not sure the prayer is bibical, this is the reason the Anglican church of England rejected it, when the church of England reformed, the church of England got back to the liturgy of the early church before the questions of coruption.
Who should we be praying too? Imo the Father in the name of Jesus.
Also the hail Mary confuses some people because some less informed christians may believe they are to worship Mary as a deity. (This happens)
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So do you see Mary as a Diety?
To my knowledge Mary is not a God, God created Mary, Jesus created Mary, she is a creation (Lord fogive me is I am wrong)
A very blessed creation, a prophetess, the mother of the lord.
I love Mary, God bless her, she surely is blessed among women and blessed was the fruit of her womb.
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She is not God. She is the mother of Jesus. She is our Blessed Mother too. I would have thought that Jesus would want us to show respect to his mother.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/saint-worship
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/saint-worship
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