This atheist group is waging a nationwide war on Christmas –

gradyll said:

but technically none should be allowed.

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Except the White House is also the First Family's residence. They certainly have a right to celebrate whatever holidays they wish in their own home.

But this athiest group if you look at their webpage, they are specifically targeting Christians, most of their site is spewing misinformation on the Bible and christianity.

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I suspect that if there was a menorah next to the Nativity Scene there would have been less to talk about. But in my experience those who push for prayer in school, etc. do not want their children hearing Muslim prayers.

so my question is why call them an athiest group, when in reality they are really just an anti-christian group.

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Not sure they are even that.

being anti-christian, is not atheist, which is anti religion in general.

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Not necessarily. Buddhists and Jains are atheists.

gradyll said:

I actually like chick's stuff.

I know they get a bad wrap,

so does kent hovind, and some of my other favorites.

I simply pick out the nuggets, and leave the cheasy behind.

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The hatred spewed out by Chick is more than just cheezy. As for Kent Hovind, he's a convicted felon.

Aureus said:

I see you didn't bother to scroll down or read much of the thread, else you might have replied to this



Instead of posting the same thing again.

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you are asking a very difficult thing, that to read every post in 27 pages of thread.

....if you wish, you may do so.

But don't feel that anyone else need to.

and in conclusion, if this topic was discussed before they why the statement by you that there "is no government endorsement of ramadan."

when you clearly have read the article.

and it is just as easy for the article in the OP to say that a nativity is not an endorsement of the nativity, in the similiar manner that a tax funded dinner is not an endorsement of the celebration it is hosting.

christmas, and easter are not explicitly religious.

ask the easter bunny and santa what church they attend.

(and realizing that santa was st. nicolas from a catholic background, the current traditions leave that part of santa's life out, almost universally)

in fact it is possible to be raised in easter and christmas traditions you whole live and not know one single bit of theological knowledge from it.

so I don't personally have an issue with the white house doing those dinners. as that is american tradition, Bush probably felt guilty bombing all the terrorist cells, and decided to put a little pow wow together.

or maybe he felt guilty of innocent civilian casualties in the war on terror.

who knows, but the fact is that the athiests dont' care about these things at all, they care about bashing Christianity.

and thus they should change their name from anti-thiests, to anti-christians.

because that is what their home pages dictate.

I think the one holiday which Obama added that had not previously been celebrated in the White House was Naw Ruz. Yippee, someone finally recognized one of my Holy Days! But politically it was a very smart move on his part. Naw Ruz is an ancient Persian holiday that predates Islam and maybe even Zoroastrianism. Khomeini tried and failed to do away with it. Addressing a Naw Ruz message to the people of Iran is a rather pointed way of ignoring the Ayatollahs. Iranians rather like Obama though they were disappointed he could do nothing during the failed Green Revolution. The pronounce his name oo-ba-ma which means "he is with us." During the Green Revolution they chanted "Oo-ba-ma, oo-ba-ma, are you with us or against us?"

That Naw Ruz Obama included in his message the statement "We are with you." Unfortunately not in ways that could help. But frankly I'm not sure what could have been done.

Pray for the people of Iran:

I really thought he'd celebrate Festivus. [emoji10]

gradyll said:

you are asking a very difficult thing, that to read every post in 27 pages of thread.

....if you wish, you may do so.

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No I was asking you to read a post on the same page as the one you quoted, from days ago. But hey... any excuse will do. It remains however that white house dinners are not government endorsements of a religion.

A more interesting point was raised about the Ramadan posters set up in schools, but the context wasn't given. We covered Ramadan and Islamic traditions in a comparative religion/world history course I took in middle school, and we had posters like that one up. It was academic subject matter, not endorsement of a religious practice.

gradyll said:

who knows, but the fact is that the athiests dont' care about these things at all, they care about bashing Christianity.

and thus they should change their name from anti-thiests, to anti-christians.

because that is what their home pages dictate.

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I suppose I didn't address this little bit because its just... so... blah? So unresearched? Just displays a persecution complex that can't be overturned with reason or evidence? Anyway... the FFRF tends to focus on Christianity because there are many many more instances of Christians being the ones that attempt to break the law and force their religion onto people in the United States. However when other cases come up, FFRF also goes after other religions. For instance.. http://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/...a-professor-s-promotion-of-islam-in-classroom

Norooz is originally a Zoroastrian holiday, isn't it...

Do you guys also celebrate Yalda?

redleghunter said:

Lol I think I know who you are referring to.

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You know exactly who I'm referring to...

He takes your comment/question and turns it into 10 in his mind and feels he has to reply to all of them HE thought you could be referring to... Now that's not to say I don't like the things he posts, its that fewer words (in most cases) usually stays on topic and keeps the attention of those reading his replies...

redleghunter said:

Yes and sometimes length is needed in response. See my tagline.

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True...

Aureus said:

No I was asking you to read a post on the same page as the one you quoted, from days ago. But hey... any excuse will do. It remains however that white house dinners are not government endorsements of a religion.

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Who said it had to be an endorsement?

I believe it is, but even if it is not.....

It is a violation of laws of separation of church and state to host these dinners.

it may be a cute way of saying, "Hi world we like all your various beliefs."

but in doing so, they cross the church state barrier. And would lose in a court of law over this.

this is why the atheists in question are winning the nativity battle in court, time and time again.

What I am saying is that if a nativity crosses the laws of separation of church and state then that is that.

no changing it.

unless we change it legally,

but some one needs to sue the government over hosting religious dinners.

because of it's religious celebration.

most of the time at these dinners they are allowed to pray, and that again is a violation of church and state.

so no ramadan dinners, no dinners for other Palestinian religious sects, none of that if they want to take away nativities.

fair is fair.

and I emailed the atheist foundation about these ideas, of suing them over the religious dinners.

no reply.

even they see that they are desiring to single out Christians.

they don't care about these dinners.

I am here to say, it is because they don't really care about separation of church and state at all.

they care about bashing Christ.

smaneck said:

Except the White House is also the First Family's residence. They certainly have a right to celebrate whatever holidays they wish in their own home.



I suspect that if there was a menorah next to the Nativity Scene there would have been less to talk about. But in my experience those who push for prayer in school, etc. do not want their children hearing Muslim prayers.



Not sure they are even that.



Not necessarily. Buddhists and Jains are atheists.

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are you saying that all things that happen in the wings of the white house, like the west wing etc....

are all matters of the first family? and not matters more specifically of government?

In conclusion, if obama flipped the bill for the dinner out of his own pocket, then we can say for sure that the first family hosted this thing and not the US of A.

redleghunter said:

Maybe we need a sub forum called "the padded room"

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Or maybe "The Peanut Gallery"...

For where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather...

So much deception in this world. So many false ways, and yet the truth is found to be despised...

Like a cage full of birds, so their houses are full of deceit...

gradyll said:

Who said it had to be an endorsement?

I believe it is, but even if it is not.....

It is a violation of laws of separation of church and state to host these dinners.

it may be a cute way of saying, "Hi world we like all your various beliefs."

but in doing so, they cross the church state barrier. And would lose in a court of law over this.

this is why the atheists in question are winning the nativity battle in court, time and time again.

What I am saying is that if a nativity crosses the laws of separation of church and state then that is that.

no changing it.

unless we change it legally,

but some one needs to sue the government over hosting religious dinners.

because of it's religious celebration.

most of the time at these dinners they are allowed to pray, and that again is a violation of church and state.

so no ramadan dinners, no dinners for other Palestinian religious sects, none of that if they want to take away nativities.

fair is fair.

and I emailed the atheist foundation about these ideas, of suing them over the religious dinners.

no reply.

even they see that they are desiring to single out Christians.

they don't care about these dinners.

I am here to say, it is because they don't really care about separation of church and state at all.

they care about bashing Christ.

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I wanted to repost this as the last post, had a formatting issue.

Why did the gentiles rage? The kings of the earth took there stand and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord and against His Christ...

I'll tell you one thing concerning wars...

I cannot stand Egyptians or Sodomites. They bring forth a wickedness influenced by fallen angels revered as gods. They hold fast to this "eye" that claims to be all-seeing and "all-knowing". And they have kept me in a terrible bondage, just as they did my ancestors.

Atheists are afraid to acknowledge God-sluggards that enjoy blissful ignorance. They can do no harm nor good. They are powerless...

Christians are indeed being targeted and attacked under a deceitful guise and a red curtain that is owned and operated by governments and all anti-Christian establishments that have conformed under secular humanistic authority, and false teachings stemming from the doctrines of demons...

We are at war...
For this indeed a Great Tribulation...

Where the corpse is, there the vultures(or eagles) will gather...

Abram's Awakening said:

I'll tell you one thing concerning wars...

I cannot stand Egyptians or Sodomites. They bring forth a wickedness influenced by fallen angels revered as gods. They hold fast to this "eye" that claims to be all-seeing and "all-knowing". And they have kept me in a terrible bondage, just as they did my ancestors.

Atheists are afraid to acknowledge God-sluggards that enjoy blissful ignorance. They can do no harm nor good. They are powerless...

Christians are indeed being targeted and attacked under a deceitful guise and a red curtain that is owned and operated by governments and all anti-Christian establishments that have conformed under secular humanistic authority, and false teachings stemming from the doctrines of demons...

We are at war...
For this indeed a Great Tribulation...

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I'll tell you one thing concerning wars...

Last century approximately 100 million human beings died at the hands of humans. Religion was a major factor in this bloodshed.

So...I cannot stand Christians or Muslims. They bring forth a wickedness influenced by an illusion of grandeur because of a belief that their god is the one and only true god. That they have the truth. They hold fast to this "eye" that claims to be all-seeing and "all-knowing". And they have kept me in a terrible bondage, just as they did my ancestors.

Christians and Muslims are afraid to acknowledge this. They enjoy blissful ignorance. They believe they are actually doing good. They are too powerful...

Atheists/non religious are indeed being targeted and attacked under a deceitful guise and a red curtain that is owned and operated by most theist establishments that have conformed under a (we have the truth) authority, and false teachings stemming from the gullibility of their poorly educated followers.