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Maybe you could activate the old account Bible2 again (although you don´t have to use it again), so that certain search functions are again available? Due to the guest status you can for example no longer search for "all posts from Bible2 in this thread", therefore older posts are sometimes hard to locate and work with.
 
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A) Some final posts for check-up, are the following entries correct and B) is sex within a marriage only for procreation, otherwise it is the sin of lust, no contraception allowed?



Isaiah 59:17-20 will be fulfilled at the second coming (Revelation 19:11-21, Zechariah 14:3-21, 12:10-14, Isaiah 4:4) [when he'll land by Jerusalem/Zion (Zechariah 14:4) and then save all of the unsaved elect Jews (Romans 11:26, Zechariah 12:10-14)].

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Isaiah 61:1-2a was fulfilled at Jesus' first coming (Luke 4:18-21).

Isaiah 61:2b-9 refers to the still-unfulfilled second coming and subsequent millennium.

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Jeremiah 25:12 could refer to the destruction of the Antichrist, who could call himself the King of Babylon, and set up his capital in the actual city of Babylon in Iraq.

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Ezekiel 28:24-26 could be fulfilled at the second coming (Zechariah 14:2-21).

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Hosea 6:2-3 will be fulfilled at the second coming (Zechariah 14:4-21, 12:10-14, Romans 11:26), which won't happen until after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31).

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Obadiah 1:15 could refer to the retribution-part of the second coming (Revelation 19:11-21).

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The place names of Zechariah 14:10 don't have to exist anymore for the places indicated to still exist, just as, for example, the place we now call the Washington Mall will continue to exist long after that name is no longer used for that place.

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Jesus will fulfill 1 Chronicles 17:12 physically during the coming millennium, when he will build a literal temple building in Jerusalem (Zechariah 6:12-13, 14:20-21), and literally sit upon David's earthly throne and rule as King forever (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7). Because the millennium won't be forever, this means that David's earthly throne will continue on the new earth (Revelation 21:1).

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Psalms 68:24-29 shows Christ walking among humans in the millennium (cf. Zephaniah 3:17).

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Isaiah 2:1-3 could refer to a both a literal raising of the elevation of Judah and Jerusalem, as well as to a figurative raising of the stature of Judah and Jerusalem in the world's eyes, during the millennium. Isaiah 2:2-3 hasn't been fulfilled yet because its context (Isaiah 2:4) hasn't been fulfilled yet.

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Isaiah 28:5 could refer to Jesus during his millennial reign on the earth (Zechariah 14:9).

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Isaiah 60:10-11 doesn't refer to Israel currently, but to Jerusalem during the coming millennium (Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-4).

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Micah 7:11-12 could refer to Jerusalem during the coming millennium (Micah 4:1-2).

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How does one feel that Zechariah 8:3,7,8,13 says or requires that the houses of Israel and Judah are separated until Christ returns? What in Zechariah 8:3,7,8,13 forbids them from being spiritually united in the first century (1 Corinthians 12:13, Romans 9:8-26) before the millennial return to the land and the restoration of the earthly kingdom of Israel by the returned Jesus (Acts 1:6-7, 3:20-21, Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7) in Zechariah 8:3,7,8,13, when the unity will become earthly-political? And what does one make of Zechariah 8:23, where only "a Jew" is mentioned with regard to that future time? Is this not because all believers, both Jews and Gentiles, are "Jews"? (Romans 2:28-29, Philippians 3:3).

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Mark 14:25 means that Jesus won't drink wine until the millennial kingdom has arrived.

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Isaiah 31:8-9 could refer to the defeat of the Antichrist at the second coming (2 Thessalonians 2:8, Revelation 19:20).

Isaiah 31:8-9 would also match God's defeat of Sennacherib in Isaiah 37:36-37.

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The curses of Deuteronomy 28:15-68, 29:25-28 for breaking the Old Covenant Mosaic law were fulfilled at the ancient destruction and Assyrian captivity of the northern kingdom of Israel (2 Kings 17:23) as well as at the subsequent destruction and Babylonian captivity of the southern kingdom of Judah (2 Kings 25:4-21).

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2 Kings 16:7-18 refers to Tiglath-Pileser III, king of Assyria.

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2 Chronicles 28:20 refers to when Tiglath-Pileser III, king of Assyria, came into Judah during the reign of Ahaz.

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2 Chronicles 30:6 refers to those Israelites who escaped being taken into captivity at the fall of the northern kingdom of Israel at the hands of Sargon II, king of Assyria, in 722 B.C. (cf. 2 Kings 17:6).

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Ezra 6:22 actually refers to the king of Persia (Ezra 6:14-15), who was the king of Assyria in the sense that he ruled over the former territory of the Assyrian empire.

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While Isaiah 20:1 refers to 711 B.C., when the king of Assyria was Sargon II, Isaiah 20:4-6 could refer to 671 B.C., when the king of Assyria was Esarhaddon (who succeeded Sennacherib, and who conquered part of Egypt in 671 B.C).

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Isaiah 23:13 (KJV) could mean that the Assyrians helped to originally develop the land of the Chaldeans (Babylonians).

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Isaiah 27:13 refers only to the land of Assyria.

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The Hebrew word translated as "discomfited" in Isaiah 31:8 can simply mean faint; it doesn't have to mean placed into slavery.

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Isaiah 40:4a could be figurative of the equality of all people before John the Baptist's call for repentance in Isaiah 40:3 (cf. Matthew 3:1-3).

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Isaiah 52:4 could refer to the past oppressions of the Israelites by kings of Assyria, such as Tiglath-Pileser III in 734-732 B.C. (1 Chronicles 5:26, 2 Kings 15:29), and Shalmaneser V and Sargon II in 724-722 B.C. (2 Kings 17:3-6).

Isaiah 52:4 could refer to all of the oppression of Israel and Judah by the various kings of Assyria. It could also include future oppressions of Israel by leaders from the former territory of the Assyrian empire, such as a Baathist Iraqi General who could defeat Israel (Daniel 11:15-17), before the Antichrist arises (Daniel 11:21-45), possibly out of Tyre, Lebanon (Ezekiel 28:2, cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

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Jeremiah 50:17a could refer to how the northern kingdom of Israel was conquered by Sargon II, king of Assyria (2 Kings 17:6), and how Judah was subsequently conquered by Sennacherib, king of Assyria (Isaiah 36:1).

Jeremiah 50:17 could refer to the same as Isaiah 52:4 (above).

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Ezekiel 9:4-11 refers to the time of Ezekiel, when God had a spiritual mark set on the foreheads of those people in Jerusalem whom he wished to spare from the death (Ezekiel 14:21) and destruction which came upon Jerusalem during its siege and defeat in 586 B.C.

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Ezekiel 22:19-20 was fulfilled during the siege and destruction of Jerusalem in 586 B.C.

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Ezekiel 28:24 could refer to a final attack on the Jews in Jerusalem at the very end of the coming tribulation, right before the second coming (Zechariah 14:2-5).

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Ezekiel 30 refers to the time of the defeat of ancient Egypt by Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon (cf. Jeremiah 46). Ezekiel 30:3 is the same ancient "day of the LORD" as Jeremiah 46:10.

The Hebrew word translated as "time" in Ezekiel 30:3 is translated as "time" and "times" in Daniel 11:6,14,24,35a,40, 12:1,4,9,11, in reference to various different times.

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Micah prophesied in the time of Hezekiah (Micah 1:1). So Micah 3:12 could have been a prophecy of the subsequent destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon in 586 B.C.

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"This man" in Micah 5:5 is the just-returned Jesus (Micah 5:4), who will permit the Jews to plunder those who had just attacked them (Micah 5:6, Zechariah 12:6-14).

The identity of the seven shepherds and eight principal men who will waste the land of Assyria with the sword (Micah 5:5-6) could be prominent leaders of the Jewish survivors of the tribulation who will be allowed to attack their enemies after the second coming of Jesus Christ rescues them from a final attack upon Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:2-5,14, 12:5-14).

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Micah 7:12 could refer to people from all over, including Assyria, coming to worship in a rebuilt Jerusalem (Micah 7:11, 4:1-2).

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... Zechariah 13:8 isn't referring to two-thirds of Israel being cut off in the future for not obeying the Old Covenant Mosaic law.

And there are a lot of Christian Jews and Gentiles living in the land of Israel today, so the two-thirds of those living in the land of Israel who will be cut off and die during the coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18 could include Christians. God can cut off both the righteous and the wicked (Ezekiel 21:2-7). But for the Christians who will be cut off, their death won't be a bad thing for them, but gain (Philippians 1:21,23), a blessing (Revelation 14:12-13), for it will allow them to escape all the subsequent horrors of the rest of the tribulation (Isaiah 57:1), and it will bring their souls into the presence of Jesus in heaven (2 Corinthians 5:8).

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Malachi 1:11 prophesied the situation since the New Covenant salvation of the Gentiles (Acts 10:45), who offer up to God figurative incense and sacrifice continually all around the world (Psalms 141:2, Hebrews 13:15), not just in Jerusalem and Israel (John 4:21-24).
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 143:

Some final posts for check-up . . .

Thank you for posting these.

ThomasGuthler said in post 143:

. . . are the following entries correct . . .

Most of them seem to be.

But regarding the Zechariah 8 entry, instead of reading the unity of believing Jews and Gentiles into Zechariah 8:13, I would instead refer to the blog's *Lost tribes? section under *Rom. 11:17. I.e. Zechariah 8:13 can include genetic Jews from every tribe of Israel, just as Acts 2:36,22,5 and Acts 26:7 do.

Regarding the Isaiah 27:13 entry, it of course is mistaken because the verse refers also to the land of Egypt. Unless the context in which the entry was originally made justified leaving out Egypt for some reason.

Regarding the 3rd line about Isaiah 31:8, the Hebrew word (H4522) translated as "discomfited" doesn't seem to be used in the Bible to refer to people fainting, but to them being put under forced labor/servitude.

ThomasGuthler said in post 143:

. . . is sex within a marriage only for procreation otherwise it is the sin of lust, no contraception allowed?

I think married sex can be for pleasure without it being a sin. Proverbs 5:18-19 doesn't seem to require procreation. Nor does any scripture forbid contraception, as far as I can tell.

The same could be said for eating food. Who would say that we can never eat food for pleasure, but must only eat to stay alive? For surely a line can be drawn between simply taking pleasure in eating, and committing gluttony, or habitually grovelling in an extreme excess of food intake.

Perhaps there is a sexual equivalent of gluttony, where we have way more sex than we truly need, and exalt it way too highly. Perhaps this could fall under lust, even within a marriage.

We should put sex in its place, just as we should put eating and sleeping in their places. That is, see them as simple necessities, which we should neither fear taking pleasure in, nor exalt them to where they begin to take over our lives, or begin to render us unhealthy physically, mentally, or spiritually.

Sleeping more than once a day, or eating more than 3 times a day, or having sex more than 3 times a week might be considered excessive for most people. And, of course, if someone can get by eating only once or twice a day, and having sex only once or twice a week, or less, all the better. Thank God that as we age, it becomes easier to eat less often and have sex less often. This leaves more time for spiritual and mental endeavors, which have eternal benefits, unlike food and sex, which have only temporary benefits.

And with regard to sexual activity before marriage, or apart from a spouse, such as masturbation: while it is inevitable, we still need to repent from it afterward and confess it to God, as it is the sin of fornication. And, of course, no one (hopefully) would try to say that adultery is ever inevitable, or shouldn't be repented from afterward and kept away from.
 
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Thank you for posting these.

Most of them seem to be.

But regarding...

Thank you for commenting on these, the other entries in this whole thread were all correct, otherwise you would have mentioned it? Don´t know if this was clear, especially from post number #84 to #135.

I think married sex can be for pleasure without it being a sin...

Good answer, I think this makes sense.

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The old account "Bible2" had as signature the link to your blog, you could do the same with your new account, so that when someone reads your posts they automatically see also that blog-link.

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Two more old entries:


The two witnesses will bring plagues from God (Revelation 11:6), but these will in no way be directed against those in the Church who will still be on the earth at that time (e.g. Revelation 12:6).

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While we can have joy in knowing things, increasing our knowledge can also increase our sorrow, for in much wisdom is much grief, and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow (Ecclesiastes 1:18).

But for Christians, this is not the depression-sorrow of the world that often leads to suicide (2 Corinthians 7:10b), but the repentance-sorrow of believers that saves them (2 Corinthians 7:10a) and breaks them off of their love for the world and the things thereof (1 John 2:15-16, 5:19), knowing that this world and the things thereof are all doomed to utter destruction (1 John 2:17, 1 Peter 1:24, Isaiah 14:17a, 2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Corinthians 4:18).
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 145:

. . . the other entries in this whole thread were all correct, otherwise you would have mentioned it?

I probably would have mentioned it if something seemed incorrect, or impossible.

ThomasGuthler said in post 145:

Don´t know if this was clear, especially from post number #84 to #135.

Nothing jumped out at me in those posts as being incorrect, or impossible. Is there something in them that you may have a concern about?

ThomasGuthler said in post 145:

The old account "Bible2" had as signature the link to your blog, you could do the same with your new account, so that when someone reads your posts they automatically see also that blog-link.

I don't do that anymore because it bugged me when I saw someone else do it. The ol' do unto others... I.e., I don't want to bug anyone.

But I'll put it in this post since you brought it up, and someone may be curious about what you're referring to:

http://www.christianforums.com/xfa-...ble2-blog-posts-genesis-to-revelation.198504/

ThomasGuthler said in post 145:

Two more old entries . . .

Thank you for posting these.
 
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Nothing jumped out at me in those posts as being incorrect, or impossible. Is there something in them that you may have a concern about?

I was surprised that the entries on Isaiah 27:13 and Isaiah 31:8 in post number #143 were mistaken, so I was wondering if in the earlier posts there were also some mistakes, especially because I didn´t had the question "are the following entries correct" used in those earlier posts.

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Some last posts, regarding the entry on Matthew 24:30, if a christian who is disobedient without repentance dies tonight he will be in Hades until the resurrection at the 2nd Coming or until the resurrection at the GWTJ after the Millennium and Gog? The judgment at the 2nd Coming is only for those christians who are still alive and will be changed (1 Thessalonians 4:15), not for the ones who have died and will come from heaven?



The word "so" in Romans 11:26

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-word-so-in-romans-11-26.7300676/#post-49440947

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The Jewish occupation of most of Israel isn't illegal ...

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/we-are-all-being-deceived.7244886/page-2#post-47283485

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The elect who will be gathered together by angels (Matthew 24:31) at the subsequent second coming of Jesus (Matthew 24:30) will include not only that part of the church which will go through the still-unfulfilled reign of the Antichrist, but everyone in the church who has ever lived. For at the second coming of Jesus he'll bring from heaven all of the souls of those in the church who have died (1 Thessalonians 4:14), and they'll all be resurrected before the whole church is caught up together (gathered together) into the clouds to meet Jesus in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:16b-17, 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30-31).

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The scepter of Judah (Genesis 49:10) is the kingly rule over all Israel which the tribe of Judah obtained through King David (2 Samuel 3:10), and which will be continued at Jesus' second coming when he will sit upon David's throne (Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7) over a united kingdom of Israel and Judah (Ezekiel 37:22).
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 147:

I was surprised that the entries on Isaiah 27:13 and Isaiah 31:8 in post number #143 were mistaken, so I was wondering if in the earlier posts there were also some mistakes, especially because I didn´t had the question "are the following entries correct" used in those earlier posts.

I don't remember any entries in the earlier posts that jumped out at me as being incorrect.

But it's a good question to ask each time you post old entries, as it reminds me to comment on anything that I see as incorrect.

ThomasGuthler said in post 147:

Some last posts, regarding the entry on Matthew 24:30, if a christian who is disobedient without repentance dies tonight he will be in Hades until the resurrection at the 2nd Coming or until the resurrection at the GWTJ after the Millennium and Gog?

Good question. Not sure of the answer.

He could be one of those who will be resurrected at the 2nd coming "unto shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2), if Daniel 12:2 means that the resurrection unto shame will occur at the same time as the resurrection "to everlasting life" (Daniel 12:2); and if Daniel 12:2 means that both resurrections will occur "at that time thy people shall be delivered" in Daniel 12:1, which refers to the time of their fleeing into safety in Zechariah 14:5, which is the time of the 2nd coming in Zechariah 14:3-4.

If believers who died in unrepentance are resurrected at the 2nd coming, they could then be cast out to drift through the darkness of interstellar space (Jude 1:13, Matthew 25:30), during the millennium and Gog/Magog events. And then they could be retrieved and cast into the lake of fire at the great white throne judgment, their names having been blotted out of the book of life (Revelation 20:15, Revelation 3:5).

ThomasGuthler said in post 147:

The judgment at the 2nd Coming is only for those christians who are still alive and will be changed (1 Thessalonians 4:15), not for the ones who have died and will come from heaven?

It would be for both, just as the rapture will be for both (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). For the gathering together of the rapture will be for the judgment of the church (Mark 13:27, Psalms 50:4-5).

ThomasGuthler said in post 147:

Some last posts . . .

Thank you for posting these.
 
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If believers who died in unrepentance are resurrected at the 2nd coming, they could then be cast out to drift through the darkness of interstellar space (Jude 1:13, Matthew 25:30), during the millennium and Gog/Magog events. And then they could be retrieved and cast into the lake of fire at the great white throne judgment, their names having been blotted out of the book of life (Revelation 20:15, Revelation 3:5).

The darkness in Jude 1:13 and 2 Peter 2:17 is forever, so could it be the same as the lake of fire? See also Job 10:21-22, where he´s talking about hell as land of darkness.

"21 Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death; 22 A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness." (Job 10:21-22)



It would be for both, just as the rapture will be for both (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). For the gathering together of the rapture will be for the judgment of the church (Mark 13:27, Psalms 50:4-5).

When someone dies today he is either saved in Heaven or damned in Hades, but the judgment itself of that person is only later (at the 2nd Coming or at the GWTJ)? There´s no individual judgment at the moment of the death of a person?
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 149:

The darkness in Jude 1:13 and 2 Peter 2:17 is forever, so could it be the same as the lake of fire?

Yes.

Or, if the lake of "fire" won't be dark, the Greek word for "ever" (G0165) in Jude 1:13 and 2 Peter 2:17 could mean for an "age" (cf. Colossians 1:26), i.e. a long time, floating in outer space before being retrieved to be cast into the lake of fire.

But then this could undermine the lake of fire being for "ever". And such an undermining isn't a good idea. For it is by the fear of God that people depart from evil (Proverbs 16:6, Proverbs 3:7, Proverbs 14:27). And suggesting that the everlasting punishment of the unsaved (Mathew 25:46, Mark 9:46, Revelation 14:10-11, Revelation 20:10,15) might not be everlasting, but might be only temporary, followed by a restoration to salvation, could lead some believers to lose their fear of God and his ability to ultimately cast them into the eternal hell (Luke 12:5, Matthew 10:28, Mark 9:43-44) if they disobey God to the point where they ultimately lose their salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29, Luke 12:45-46). For they could decide that they can handle an only-temporary punishment, and are willing to handle it, if it means that they can go ahead and live it up and enjoy all the pleasures of sin without repentance for the rest of their lives.

So suggesting that the everlasting punishment of the unsaved might not be everlasting could cause some believers to actually suffer everlasting punishment, whereas they would have repented from their sins and not ultimately lost their salvation had they continued to believe that the loss of their salvation would mean their everlasting punishment.

ThomasGuthler said in post 149:

See also Job 10:21-22, where he´s talking about hell as land of darkness.

"21 Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death; 22 A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness." (Job 10:21-22)

Job makes incorrect statements. E.g., he mistakenly thinks that his suffering is God's wrath against him (Job 19:11), when in fact God has no wrath against him, because he is righteous in God's eyes (Job chapters 1-2).

Similarly, even in Job 10:21, when he says "I shall not return", he contradicts his own later statement that he will be resurrected (Job 19:26).

I'm not judging Job. For who among us never contradicts himself? I'm just saying that these are merely quotations of what a suffering Job said; they aren't necessarily true statements. Even he told his friends to back off when they got on him for what he was saying:

Job 6:26 Do ye imagine to reprove words, and the speeches of one that is desperate, which are as wind?

Also, in Job 10:21-22, Job would have been talking about the temporary hell of Sheol (the same as Hades). And even it may not be dark, because of the fire that torments unsaved people there (Luke 16:24).

ThomasGuthler said in post 149:

When someone dies today he is either saved in Heaven or damned in Hades, but the judgment itself of that person is only later (at the 2nd Coming or at the GWTJ)? There´s no individual judgment at the moment of the death of a person?

Maybe not a formal one. But, of course, God decides (judges) at the time of death where someone goes.

About 20 years ago, I had a dream, which may have actually occurred, in which I floated down an earthen tunnel to one of the gates of Hades, where a fallen angel was standing with an evil, slight-grin, happy to seem me arrive down there. I knew I was about to go into Hades, so I cried "Jesus, help me!", and immediately I woke up. I believe now that I could have died in my sleep and gone to Hades because of unrepentant sin, but Jesus was merciful to me and gave me time to repent.

The point of the story is that I went to a gate of Hades without appearing beforehand at any formal tribunal or anything, suggesting that there is no formal judgment at the time of death, even though there will be one at the 2nd coming.

This, of course, assumes that the dream was real, and not just a very realistic nightmare. Either way, it showed me the reality of hell, even for believers.
 
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Regarding the blog, there´s a format error at *2 Thes. 1:9 and on the update-page, see the bold passages.


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(Re: Means that God doesn't hate nonelect people; he will just separate them from him?)

2 Thessalonians 1:9 doesn't contradict that God hates nonelect people (Romans 9:11-13). For the nonelect can be both separated from him and hated by him at the
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Some more post for review, are the following entries correct?




John wasn't in the day of the Lord when he saw Revelation chapters 1-18, for the day of the Lord won't begin until the second coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8), which doesn't happen until Revelation 19. John was simply in the Spirit on the Lord's day (Revelation 1:10), meaning that he was in the Spirit on one particular first-day-of-the-week, while he was living on Patmos, when he saw Revelation (Revelation 1:9-10).

When John says in Revelation "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" (Revelation 1:10), he was referring to the first day of the week, on which day the Lord rose from the dead (Mark 16:9) and the early church met together to break bread (Acts 20:7).

Other writings of the early church also refer to the first day of the week as the Lord's day: "At the dawning of the Lord's day He arose from the dead" (Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians, chapter 9); "let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days" (Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians, chapter 9); "not bending the knee upon Sunday ... took its rise from apostolic times, as the blessed Irenaeus, the martyr and bishop of Lyons, declares in his treatise On Easter, in which he makes mention of Pentecost also; upon which we do not bend the knee, because it is of equal significance with the Lord's day" (Fragments From the Lost Writings of Irenaeus, 7); "He, in fulfilment of the precept, according to the Gospel, keeps the Lord's day ... glorifying the Lord's resurrection" (Clement of Alexandria, The Stromata, or Miscellanies 7:12).

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Romans 2:14-15 does refer to Gentiles keeping the law of Moses, which includes the 10 commandments.

Romans 2:14-15 means that even believing physical-Gentiles perform the law (Romans 3:31), but only in spirit (Romans 7:6), by loving other people (Romans 13:8).

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While under the Old Covenant law of Moses, believers were helpless before sin (Romans 7:5-25), under the New Covenant law of Christ (Romans 8:2, Galatians 6:2, John 14:21-24, 1 Thessalonians 4:2, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21) believers are no longer helpless before sin, because Jesus himself has set them completely free from the enslaving power of sin (John 8:34-36, Romans 6:16-22, 8:2) by their getting baptized into him (Romans 6:3-7, Galatians 3:27) and receiving his Holy Spirit (Romans 8:13,2, Colossians 3:5-6), who is usually received through the laying on of hands after baptism (Acts 19:2,5-6, 8:15-17).

So Christians need never say "I'm not able.... so I leave it to (and trust) the Lord". Instead, baptized and Spirit-filled believers can say "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me" (Philippians 4:13, 2:12-13, Colossians 1:29, Romans 8:2, 6:4-7).

Romans 7:5,7-25, 8:3a is Paul showing what it was like for him before he became a Christian, while he was still trying to keep the Mosaic law. Romans 6:1-23, 7:6, 8:1-4,12-13 is Paul showing what it is like for Christians, who are no longer under the law, and have been freed from the bondage to sin. They do not have to sin because they now have the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:16). Jesus has set them free from having to commit sin (John 8:34-36).

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We have to remain ready tonight even though Jesus can't return tomorrow because if we fall into a state of unreadiness tonight, there is no guarantee that we will retain a state of readiness before Jesus comes. It would be like one person at six o'clock knowing that a second person can't come until 9 o'clock. In ancient times, they didn't have alarm clocks, so the first person couldn't fall asleep at 6 o'clock with any guarantee that he'd be awake again by 9 o'clock. The fact that the second person couldn't come at 7 o'clock or 8 o'clock was irrelevant, just as the fact that Jesus can't come before or during the tribulation is irrelevant to our need to remain ready for His coming.

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In Matthew 24, Jesus didn't mention the trumpets of the tribulation (Revelation chapters 8-9), or the tribulation reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13), or the two witnesses who will prophesy during the tribulation reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 11), or the vials of wrath at the end of the tribulation (Revelation 16), because at the time that Jesus spoke Matthew 24 to the apostles they weren't ready to bear all of the myriad details of the coming tribulation (John 16:12-13). So in Matthew 24 Jesus gave the apostles just a brief outline of Revelation chapters 6-19.

The Olivet Discourse and Revelation chapters 6-19 were given to the church so that it might endure unto the end (Matthew 24:9-13) with patience and faith (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

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Hebrews 7:22 means that because of what Jesus did on the cross, he has already made sure for us the New Covenant's complete forgiveness of sins.

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Isaiah 54:1-2 (cf. Galatians 4:27) is addressing the earthly Zion, the Church, as it partakes of the salvation of the New Covenant and the heavenly Zion (cf. Galatians 4:24-27).

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It's possible for us to judge others for judging others.

We can think that we see a problem with some people being prideful and self-righteous and judging others, and we can say that if anyone at all sees a problem with what some other people are doing, then the answer is to pray for God to change this, and to begin with us, not those other Christians, but us; but then we can nonetheless turn around and point the finger at those other Christians who we think have problems with being prideful and self-righteous and judging others, while we think of ourselves as superior and present ourselves to others as being superior because we don't judge others like those other proud, self-righteous people do.

We can say that God isn't interested in convicting us of other people's sin, but then we can turn around and feel that God has convicted us that some other proud, self-righteous people have become convicted of other people's sin.

With whatever measure we judge, we will be judged (Matthew 7:1-2). If we judge others for judging others, then we'll be judged for judging others.

And if we point this out to someone in self-righteousness, then we'll be judged for judging others for judging others for judging others.

And so on.

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Quote: „Would calling a church devil worshipers be blasphemy of they holy spirit.“

A: That would depend on whether or not the person at the time he said that actually believed in both the devil and the Holy Spirit (the Spirit of God).

Also, it would depend on why he called a church that, as in: What specific action or actions by the church was he calling devil worship?

Also, the condemnation you feel might not be about blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, but only about your hard words against the people of that church. God may have allowed the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit verse to tug at your heart simply as a means by which you would remember your hard words against those people, so that you could confess those hard words to God and ask him to forgive you for them (1 John 1:9).

If someone called the people in a church devil worshipers solely because some of their children dressed up (including as the devil) for Halloween and some of the people in the church smoked, that wouldn't be blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, because those actions hadn't been performed miraculously by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Nonetheless, calling the people in that church devil worshipers solely because of those actions could still fall under the sin of Matthew 7:1-5, which refers to judging people for their actions in a harsh, self-righteous, hypocritical way, like saying: "Oh, how evil! I would never do anything like that. That sin is inexcusable!", instead of simply judging their wrong actions as being sins, and recognizing that one has one's own sins to worry about (Romans 3:9-12). Matthew 7:2 means that if we don't humbly forgive other people for their sins, God won't forgive us for our own sins (Matthew 6:15).

The sin of judging others in the wrong way can be forgiven if it's repented from and confessed to God (1 John 1:9).

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Christians aren't supposed to think that a rich lifestyle is a better lifestyle ...

Christians are supposed to be content with the most basic necessities, not to try to make all that they can, or become rich, or entice non-Christians to want the material things that they have, for gaining material things has nothing at all to do with godliness ...

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The only time that a Christian should not obey a law is if in doing so the Christian would be disobeying God (Acts 5:29).

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Ephesians 1:10 is referring to the past establishment of the Church, of which Christ is already the head (Ephesians 1:22); the Greek word translated as "gather together" means "to head up". "The fullness of times" happened in the first century at the first coming of Christ (Galatians 4:4). "All things in Christ" means all believers, the Church (Ephesians 1:22-23).

We who believe are in heavenly places (Ephesians 2:6) only in some symbolic sense, not literally.

Ephesians 1:10 means that the Church consists of one body which includes both those believers (those in Christ) who have died and are literally in heaven (e.g. Revelation 6:9-11) and those believers who have not yet died and are still literally on the earth (Ephesians 6:3).

At the second coming of Christ, He will physically gather together into one place all believers in heaven and in earth (Mark 13:27; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17).

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Believers are an extension of Jesus in that they are his body (Ephesians 5:30) which his Spirit lives in (Ephesians 3:17, Galatians 4:6) and works through (Philippians 2:13, John 15:5). But this must be very explicitly distinguished from the new age lie that we are all extensions of God in the sense of being little sparks of God himself, so that we are all God himself. We are not God himself, who alone is uncreated, from everlasting (Psalms 90:2, Micah 5:2), and who alone has life in himself (John 5:26, 1 Timothy 6:16). We are merely his finite creatures who are and will forever be wholly dependent upon him for our continued existence (Acts 17:28, Colossians 1:17).

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Hebrews 11:39-40 doesn't mean that the Old Testament saints who died in faith had any different promise than the church, for they were promised the same heavenly city of New Jerusalem that the rest of the church is promised (Hebrews 11:16,10). Hebrews 11:39-40 simply means that they didn't receive the fulfillment of that promise until the church had been formed.

The "better thing for us" (Hebrews 11:40) could simply mean that unlike the Old Testament saints who died in faith, believers now don't have to go down into Hades, but can go immediately into heaven to be with Jesus upon their death (2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23).

Now all believers, no matter whether they died in Old Testament times or have died or are still alive in these New Testament times, are all under the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Jeremiah 31:31, Hebrews 12:24, 9:15, 1 Corinthians 11:25, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

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The firstborn in Hebrews 12:23 is Jesus (Hebrews 1:6, Romans 8:29, Colossians 1:15,18, Revelation 1:5).

In Hebrews 12:23, where it says "AND to the spirits of just men made perfect", the Greek word translated as "and" can be translated as "even" (Hebrews 11:19). It in no way requires that the just men made perfect aren't part [of "the general assembly and church of the firstborn"] of the church. For the only way that men can be made perfect is through faith in Jesus and the gospel (Hebrews 13:21, 10:14), and anyone who has faith in Jesus and the gospel is part of his body, the church (Ephesians 4:4-5).

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We have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ which should result in pure religion:

James 1:27 ...Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

A works salvation is in no way self-justification, for justification comes solely through faith in the atoning blood and resurrection of Jesus (Romans 3:24-26, 4:24-5:2). Works of faith come into play only insofar as faith without works is dead and cannot save us (James 2:14-26). So all the scriptures which refer to salvation by faith assume a living, active, works-filled faith, instead of the opposite (Titus 1:16).

Love and religion are not mutually exclusive; God wants us to have both. James 1:27 shows that God wants us to have religion, so long as it's pure, and James 1:27 goes on to show that our religion is pure only if it has works.

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Besides confessing every commission of every sin, Christians also need to actually repent from every sin, if they want to be saved in the end (Hebrews 10:26-29, 1 Corinthians 9:27, 6:9-10). If they die in any unrepentant sin, it will be because they had not used the time Jesus had given them to repent (Revelation 2:21-23), and because they had continually ignored the rebuking and chastening which he had sent to them because of their unrepentant sin (Revelation 3:19). After death, there is no use praying for the forgiveness of any unrepented sin (1 John 5:16).

While Christians are still alive, if they ever become unsure whether or not they have repented from and confessed every sin to God, all they need to do is pray and ask God to reveal to them every unresolved sin in their lives (Psalms 139:23-24). And they also need to be reading the Bible diligently every day (Matthew 4:4), for it will expose to them every sin which may still exist within them (Hebrews 4:12-13, 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

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The seed of God within born-again believers in 1 John 3:9 is the Spirit of the Son of God in 1 John 3:8b, who comes to dwell within believers (Galatians 4:6) through the seed of faith (Ephesians 3:17, Luke 17:6) which comes by hearing (Romans 10:17) the seed of the word of God (1 Peter 1:23, Luke 8:11, Colossians 3:16).

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Anonymous is a good thing if it helps to keep a discussion from being about ourselves (2 Corinthians 4:5), and instead keeps it focused on the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

The posting-name "Bible2" doesn't mean "A second Holy Bible" [for there's no such thing], but rather was chosen only because the posting-names "Read the Bible" and "Bible" were already taken.

Instead, taken together with "Matthew 4:4" (which appears just below "Bible2"), it should be read as "Bible too", in the sense that we don't live by food only, but by every word of the Bible too (Matthew 4:4).

Disapproving is a good thing if it's disapproving of incorrect doctrine (2 Timothy 4:2-4), as opposed to ad hominem [that is, so long as we don't take the focus off of a discussion of doctrine and what the Bible says, and instead begin to focus on attacking people as individuals] (Titus 3:2, 2 Timothy 2:24-25).

We shouldn't be seeking to put our own name in lights, but the name of the Lord (2 Corinthians 4:5) and His perfect Word (2 Timothy 4:2-4).

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The Bible disallows women to have positions of authority over men, or to teach, or even speak in church meetings (1 Timothy 2:11-12, 1 Corinthians 14:34-37), unless they are giving a prophecy (1 Corinthians 14:29, Acts 21:9), a tongue (1 Corinthians 14:39), the interpretation of a tongue (1 Corinthians 14:26), or are reading aloud the Bible, as all these are directly inspired by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:10-11, 2 Peter 1:20-21, 2 Timothy 3:16).

The idea that women can become pastors and teachers in the Church came from society, not from God.

The following is what Jesus Himself expressly teaches in His Word:

1 Corinthians 14:34 ...Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Note especially that last part. Paul knew full well that people would reject Jesus' teachings. We must stick with His Word and not reject it to run after any teachings of people which contradict it:

2 Timothy 4:2 ...Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Those who reject God's Word regarding the role of women in the Church are no different then those who reject God's Word regarding homosexuality: both claim that they can reject those parts of the Bible that they don't agree with, because if they don't agree with it it must not be God's Word, but the later addition of people with their own agendas.

Why don't those who reject 1 Corinthians 14:34-37 as "old-fashioned nonsense", reject, like the homosexuals, Romans 1:26-27 as "old-fashioned nonsense", for both passages are completely at odds with society's current political correctness.

It's no coincidence that many churches which have ordained women as pastors also ordain homosexuals as pastors. They want to reflect society's current beliefs instead of what the Word of God teaches, for they cannot endure the Bible's sound doctrine.

1 Timothy 2:11 ...Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Romans 1:26 ...God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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Some people hate Christians, and accuse Christians of being haters, because Christians hold to what the Bible teaches about sin, all the various sins which we can commit (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Romans 1:26-32).

Some people hate bishops because bishops have authority, and some people hate authority (2 Peter 2:10).

Some people readily condemn Christians because Christians happen to be different.

Some people condemn Christians as ignorant for believing what the Bible teaches instead of what the sinful world teaches.

No Christian should ever attack Muslims, Jews, Freemasons, homosexuals, women pastors or anyone else who believes or does things contrary to what the Bible teaches (Titus 3:2-3, 2 Timothy 2:24-26). Instead, Christians should simply attack wrong beliefs and practices by showing how they go against what the Bible so clearly teaches (2 Timothy 3:16-4:4).

Those who hate Christians sometimes vent their hatred by saying that Christians have psychological problems.

Those who hate Christians sometimes attack them by saying that they hate what they don't understand or wish to understand.

Something spoken against Biblical Christianity shouldn't be ignored, but should be answered by Biblical Christians, so that people won't think that what was spoken against Biblical Christianity must have been right (1 Corinthians 4:13).

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Is it possible for iconoclasm to become an idol, for the slaughtering of sacred cows to become a sacred cow, similar to how those most vehemently opposed to "oppression" can be the most vehement oppressors (cf. Romans 2:1), especially once they've overthrown other oppressors and come into total power themselves (e.g. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, nominal communists all)?

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Thank God that we are strangers and pilgrims on the earth (Hebrews 11:13, 1 Peter 2:11), looking for a better country, that is, an heavenly, wherefore God is not ashamed to be called our God, for he has prepared for us a city (Hebrews 11:14-16) which has foundations (Revelation 21:14), whose builder and maker is God (Hebrews 11:10, Revelation 21:10-22:21) and not any fallible humans.

Thank God that we have our citizenship in that heavenly city/country (Philippians 3:20, Hebrews 12:22-23), and that our hero is in heaven: Jesus Christ (Philippians 3:20), and that we can put our trust and hope in him, instead of in politicians and commentators (Psalms 146:3, 118:8, Jeremiah 17:5).

Thank God that we must forsake all of our possessions in order to follow Jesus (Luke 14:33), instead of receiving the woe and miseries that will come upon us if we're rich (Luke 6:24, James 5:1-3) or desire to be rich (1 Timothy 6:9-12).

Thank God that our life doesn't consist in the abundance of the things which he possess (Luke 12:15), but that we can be content with food and clothing (1 Timothy 6:8).

Thank God that we can't serve God and Mammon (Matthew 6:24), and that where our treasure is, there will be our heart also (Matthew 6:21).

Thank God that in the early church no one said that any of the things which he possessed was his own, but the church owned all things in common (Acts 4:32).

Thank God that everyone sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need (Acts 2:44-45).

Thank God that neither was there any among them that lacked, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet, and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need (Acts 4:34-35).

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Someone can't be convinced of the error of their thinking except by the scriptures themselves (2 Timothy 3:16). If they have so twisted the meaning of some of those scriptures to fit their own wishes, such as the Church not going through the tribulation, then they can no longer read the scriptures with an open mind; they are determined to read them in such a way that makes them feel better, and so they have cut themselves off from the instruction which only the scriptures themselves can give them (2 Timothy 3:16).

At that point, no human discussion is going to change their minds one bit. Only a divine intervention by the Holy Spirit Himself, perhaps through a dream, or a sudden revelation in their spirit, will open their minds up again so that they can read the scriptures for what the scriptures themselves say, and not for what some people merely wish that they said.

So all humans can do is share the scriptures with others, and pray that the Holy Spirit will open the minds of their correspondents to be able to read the scriptures without any preconceived notions or wishes.

That's why scriptural references are given after claims are made, so that the discussion can always return to what the scriptures themselves say, and not devolve into a merely rhetorical, ad hominem back-and-forth.

So if one feels that the scriptural references given after a point do not support that point, one must be able to prove from the scriptures themselves that the scriptural references do not support that point, instead of merely claiming without any proof that they don't, for that stops the discussion of the scriptures themselves dead in its tracks, and turns the thread into merely an "is too", "is not", dispute of no benefit to anyone (2 Timothy 2:14).

We can only persuade people to believe what we believe about what the scriptures teach by pointing them to what the scriptures themselves say and (often even more importantly) what the scriptures themselves don't say or even require. If, even after we do this, they insist that our beliefs are wrong, then they will have to show from the scriptures themselves how our beliefs are not supported by the scriptures, or even contradict the scriptures. And if they are unable to do this, then they should reconsider their position with an open mind. In doing so, they may discover that their position is ultimately based on a priori beliefs not taught by the scriptures themselves.

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For some reason, people think that "modern" must always mean "better", when in fact it can mean the opposite:

"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein" (Jeremiah 6:16).

And for some reason, people think that "scholarship" must always mean "truth", when in fact it can mean the opposite:

"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" (1 Corinthians 1:19-20).

A fable cloaked as "modern" "scholarship" is still a fable, just as Satan cloaked as an angel of light is still Satan: "for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14).

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For what the "come on down" invitation at the end of an an evangelistic sermon should really be is a command for all those who have come into faith during the sermon to immediately repent from all of their sins and undergo water-immersion baptism: "Now when they heard this [evangelistic sermon], they were pricked in their heart [by God, drawing them into faith in Jesus], and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins" (Acts 2:36-38).

For some inexplicable reason, many of us Christians today completely ignore the Bible's teachings regarding repentance and baptism. We tell new believers that they don't need to do anything to be saved, not even repent, that their new faith covers all of their sins, whether they actually ever repent from them or not. But the Bible shows clearly that repentance is absolutely necessary, for "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3). And baptism is also absolutely necessary, for "baptism doth also now save us" (1 Peter 3:21); "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mark 16:16). Also for some inexplicable reason, many many of us Christians today also completely ignore the necessity of believers to actually obey God and do good works in order to be saved in the end, for God "will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath" (Romans 2:6-8).

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One of the reasons the Bible says that some people leave Christianity, in the sense of losing their faith, is because they can no longer endure sound, Biblical doctrine, but would rather follow other (demonic) doctrines which support them in their lusts (2 Timothy 4:2-4, 1 Timothy 4:1-2), whether their lusts be, for example, the illicit pleasures of the flesh (Hebrews 12:16-17, Hebrews 6:4-8), or the pleasure of making more and more money (1 Timothy 6:9-10, Mark 4:19). But most often Christians who want to commit some illicit pleasure of the flesh or who want to get rich don't leave Christianity altogether; they simply find some form of Christianity that actively supports them (or at least does not actively condemn them) in their desires.

Another of the reasons the Bible says that some people leave Christianity is to avoid being persecuted and killed for their faith (Mark 8:35-38, Mark 4:17, Luke 8:13, Matthew 24:9-13).

Another of the reasons some people could leave Christianity is because they cannot bear some particular Biblical doctrine such as the doctrine of eternal torment of the lost in hell (Revelation 14:10-12), or the doctrine of double-predestination, by which God creates both human vessels of his mercy and human vessels of his wrath (Romans 9:21-23). But most often Christians who reject doctrines like these don't leave Christianity altogether; they simply find some form of Christianity that rejects doctrines like these.

Someone could leave Christianity because he thinks that God is giving him the silent treatment even though he is trying to seek God's will, when in fact God is always speaking to believers through every word of the Bible (Matthew 4:4), so that believers can perfectly know God's will by knowing what the Bible says (2 Timothy 3:15-17).

Also, someone could leave Christianity because he thinks that he is not one of God's elect (Romans 9:11-24). But while someone is still alive, no matter how sinful he has become, he must never assume that he is not one of God's elect, for there is always the possibility that he could still repent and believe in Jesus and the Bible in the future. The case of the apostle Paul is the best example for why no one should ever assume that God doesn't want them to get saved: by God's miraculous grace Paul went from being the "chief of sinners", the worst persecutor of the church, to becoming Christ's most fruitful apostle (1 Timothy 1:12-17, 1 Corinthians 15:10).

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Quote: „... while He is tremendously merciful He is also tremendously jealous and will not tolerate people abandoning Him or His ways.“

A: That's right:

Exodus 34:14 ... thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God ...

2 Timothy 2:12 ... if we deny him, he also will deny us ...

This denial of God and going after other gods doesn't have to be some formal pronouncement or formal worship of some pagan god; we can give conscious lipservice to God while at the same time we are unconsciously denying Him and worshipping other things by not obeying His commandments and by loving, for example, money more than Him:

Titus 1:16 ...They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Ezekiel 33:31 ... with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

Matthew 6:24 ...No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

1 Timothy 6:10 ...For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith ...

Matthew 6:19 ...Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

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Proverbs 16:9b doesn't mean that God turns men into marionettes and marches them across the stage, but that He offers them direction in the right way to go, because their own hearts are not sufficient to know for sure which is the right way (Proverbs 14:12).
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 153:

Some more post for review . . .

Thank you for posting these.

ThomasGuthler said in post 153:

. . . are the following entries correct?

They seem to be okay.

But regarding Isaiah 54:1-2, it may also refer to the literal, earthly Jerusalem, when it comes into salvation at the 2nd coming (e.g. Isaiah 4:3-6), and is exalted during the millennium (e.g. Isaiah 2:2-4).

Also, regarding the Ephesians 1:10 entry, I think the verse refers to what's in the last paragraph instead of the 1st one.
 
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Some more old posts for review, are the following entries correct?




Nothing requires that Isaiah 66:3 is referring to 30-70 AD. And Isaiah 66:3 doesn't call the sacrifices and offerings of the Old Covenant law an abomination in themselves, for they remain holy to God in themselves, as does the entire Old Covenant law (Romans 7:12, Revelation 11:19). What Isaiah 66:3 calls evil is anyone who would make the sacrifices and offerings of the Old Covenant law out of unbelief in Jesus Christ and His one-time New Covenant sacrifice for sin (Matthew 26:28), which has forever abolished any further sacrifices for sin (Hebrews 10:18), and has abolished the entire Old Covenant law insofar as its still being applicable to men (Ephesians 2:15, Hebrews 7:18-19).

Isaiah 66:3 will be fulfilled in the future when the ultra-Orthodox Jews rebuild a temple in Jerusalem (Revelation 11:1-2) and re-start the Old Covenant sacrifices, which they will perform for two or three years before the Antichrist attacks the temple, stops the sacrifices, and sits in the temple and proclaims himself God (Daniel 9:27, 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

Isaiah 66:4 is referring to the same future delusion as 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12, after the Antichrist has sat in the temple and proclaimed himself God, and many deceiving miracles have been performed (2 Thessalonians 2:4-12) by the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 13:12-18, 19:20).

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… parents should love all their children and so be strict with all of them (Proverbs 13:24).

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The Bible says to Christians: "A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger" (Proverbs 15:1). "Only by pride cometh contention" (Proverbs 13:10). If Christians are humble, they won't care when people say bad things about them personally, and so they will feel no compulsion to defend themselves personally.

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The "secret" of the Big Bang, unknown as yet to atheistic scientists, is that God did it (John 1:3) through his Spirit of Christ (Colossians 1:17, cf. Romans 8:9). The ultimate cause, the root principle, of all physics that atheistic scientists are looking for is spirit (Ecclesiastes 11:5). And they could very well find it, for their Large Hadron Collider in Geneva which they just turned on, and which will go into "collision mode" later this fall, could discover more spatial dimensions. And these other dimensions could end up being those of the spiritual realm. It's even possible that "spiritons" could be discoverd, little particles made up of spirit, so that things spiritual will become scientificized.

A new "spiritual physics" could then emerge which will lead to "spiritual technologies", man-made devices which can manipulate spirit and tap into its tremendous power. For just as E=MC2 (superscript 2), so it could be that S=EC2 (superscript 2). That is, just as all matter is, as it were, tremendous amounts of energy congealed into little particles, so all energy could be, as it were, tremendous amounts of spirit congealed into little photons.

Lucifer could then come on the scene (Revelation 12:9) and through the Antichrist and the False Prophet (Revelation 13:4-18) show mankind how to "scientifically", even with the assistance of little technological devices, tap into Lucifer's and mankind's spiritual powers, to bring mankind and the earth to a "next level" of civilization and consciousness.

Of course, this would all be to drive man farther away from God himself as the source of man's life (Acts 17:28) and continued existence (Colossians 1:17b), and get man thinking that he can reach eternal life with Lucifer's help alone, and can get free of having to obey God by defeating God with some great scientific-spiritual device, some "God-killing weapon", the design of which could be given to man by Satan.

But any such device won't work as promised (cf. Psalms 21:11), it won't be able to defeat God (Revelation 19:19-21) or give man eternal life in rebellion against God (Revelation 20:15). But it could, like atheistic science itself, serve long enough to keep man occupied and hopeful that he can reach eternal life apart from God, and can live forever without ever having to obey God. That is, it could distract rebellious man just long enough from turning to God that rebellious man will run out of time before he is destroyed by Jesus at the second coming (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9).

For that is all Satan wants: for man to end up in the lake of fire with him and his fallen angels (Matthew 25:41,46, Revelation 20:10,15). So whatever will distract man long enough from realizing that he needs God and needs to repent and turn to God (John 3:16-21,36), will serve just fine, no matter how deceptive and ultimately worthless the distraction and its false hope will prove to be in the end.

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Philippians 2:10-11 doesn't mean that everyone will be saved, for even the unsaved will call Jesus Lord (Matthew 25:44) before they're sent away into everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46,41).
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 155:

Some more old posts for review . . .

Thank you for posting these.

ThomasGuthler said in post 155:

. . . are the following entries correct?

They seem to be.

But regarding Isaiah 66:3-4, it may be referring instead to Israelites at the time of Isaiah who were making sacrifices even while they were living in sin (cf. e.g. Isaiah 1:1,13).
 
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Some more entries for review, are they correct, and is Ezekiel 20:38 occuring at the 2nd Coming? Regarding Daniel 7:4, it refers to Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar and the event of Daniel 4?



Forget Freemasons, Bilderbergs control world (see the whole page 10)

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...s-control-world.7238590/page-10#post-48175645

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How does one feel that Ezekiel 37:16,21,24 says or requires that the houses of Israel and Judah are separated until Christ returns? Why did one skip over Ezekiel 37:17-20, which shows the unity which occurred spiritually in the first century (1 Corinthians 12:13), some 2,000 years before the future millennial return to the land and the restoration of the earthly kingdom of Israel by the returned Jesus (Acts 1:6-7, 3:20-21, Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7) in Ezekiel 37:21-22, when the unity will become earthly-political?

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Isaiah 61:10 refers to the same symbolic clothing as Revelation 19:8, which represents the righteousness of the saints (Revelation 19:8b) which they have now through faith in Jesus (Romans 3:22), just as they have salvation now through faith in him (2 Timothy 3:15).

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Israel is called Israel after Jacob, who was renamed Israel (Genesis 32:28), and whose elect genetic descendants are still beloved by God (Romans 11:28) and still promised salvation and the land and kingdom of Israel when Jesus returns (Romans 11:29, Genesis 28:13, Acts 1:6-7, 3:20-21)

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Those Christians still alive on the earth at the time of the abomination of desolation who refuse or are unable to flee into hiding in wilderness/mountainous places (Revelation 12:6, Matthew 24:15, Ezekiel 7:16) will be captured by the Antichrist and thrown into prisons (Revelation 13:10) where some of them will be tortured (Daniel 11:35, 12:10a). They could proclaim to their captors and torturers their faith in God that "these things were to happen", but they shouldn't be too disappointed if their captors and torturers don't all fall on their knees and accept Jesus, instead of cackling in laughter and replying: "Oh, you stupid, stupid little JESUS Christians, so totally duped by YHWH's foul propaganda in his Bible of lies. Can't you see that our Lord Lucifer and His Son [the Antichrist] have taken total control of the earth and are doing just as they please with you, and that YHWH is unable to deliver you? Fall down on your knees and accept Lucifer Christ as your personal Lord and Savior! Or it will be off with your head!" [Revelation 20:4].

And even before they are captured, Christians roaming the streets during the tribulation preaching their faith in God that "these things were to happen" shouldn't be too disappointed if their hearers don't all fall on their knees and accept Jesus, instead of growling in anger and shaking their fists and replying: "Is that so? Your god knew these things were to happen and didn't lift a finger to stop them? What is he, evil or powerless? You Christians worship a monster, who only wants to bring horrible suffering on the world. Look at my starving little one! Where is she supposed to get food to eat? Where is your supposedly loving god? Sitting up in heaven laughing while my little girl starves? And you want me to fall down and worship him? You Christians are completely sick in the head. Yeah, and in the heart too, if you can run around so happy that 'these things were to happen'. You must hate people as much as your evil god does".

During the coming tribulation, Christians need to be prepared to be hated and killed in all the nations of the earth (Matthew 24:9-13, 13:20-21).
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 157:

Some more entries for review . . .

Thank you for posting these.

ThomasGuthler said in post 157:

. . . are they correct . . .

They seem to be.

ThomasGuthler said in post 157:

. . . is Ezekiel 20:38 occuring at the 2nd Coming?

Possibly, if it didn't occur at the return from the Babylonian Captivity.

ThomasGuthler said in post 157:

Regarding Daniel 7:4, it refers to Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar and the event of Daniel 4?

Probably.
 
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Regarding Daniel 7:4, it refers to Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar and the event of Daniel 4?
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Probably.

Thank you for commenting on this, could you add this entry and the following on Daniel 7:5 somehow to the blog, so that it becomes clear what the symbols of the first 2 beasts (wings thereof were plucked, three ribs) from Daniel 7 mean?


The bear with three ribs in its mouth (Daniel 7:5) represents the ancient Persian Empire, which came to control the territory of three empires which came before it: Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt.
 
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