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Can OCD make you lose your faith?

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I've recently been told I have a form of ocd. I've been obsessing about how god can be good and send people to hell. Triggered by a fear of dying and whether i was really saved or not. I've been trying so hard to keep believing god is good. I have never doubted god or his goodness before. The thing that always scared me most is that one day I might stop believing. A few days ago, I was in church and just started wondering if I really believed and feeling numb as I couldn't believe I'd got to a point where I just didn't know or not. I've been told that I can't rely on feelings and have to put faith in facts, but feeling so fake and finding it so hard. Trying hard to make myself accept that god knows what he is doing and to trust him with the hell issue. The thing that always kept me going is that i didnt doubt that jesus died for me. The past few days i havent been able to say that. Im so frightened that i will go to hell if i cant get my faith back. I feel so false at church. I just dont know what to do.How do I get my faith back? Has anyone else had this experience? This has all happened over a period of several months, where it has got harder and harder to fight the thoughts.
 

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OCD is called 'the doubting disease'. If you weren't struggling with this in particular, it would be something else. For example, I thought I just got over the unpardonable sin thing, but now it's back because of something I may or may not have seen pop up on my computer screen (it was there in a flash and I could have just imagined it for all I know). I also struggle with fears of the rapture. As soon as I get over something, something else comes up. Maybe not immediately, but eventually. I fell away from my faith for a few years and, as soon as I got back into it (tried to), boom, there's OCD. It. Is. Awful.

I'm sorry that I don't have great advice, but just try to focus on God's good attributes. He's loving. He's merciful. He's patient. He doesn't want anyone to perish. What's helped me is reading a lot of positive books. Now, again, something will come up that scares me, so focusing on good things, when you have OCD, isn't a cure-all. Pray. Be honest with God. And try to focus on the positives. Hang in there!
 
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Hey there. I just found something that helped me a lot. I reached out to a lot of friends and had them meet and pray with me at various points. I am going through something very similar (hopefully at the tail end). One thing that really helped was going to the gym and lifting weights. I know this might sound crazy, but when lifting, as you breath in speak against your false thought/doubt (you can do this in your mind) and as you breath out, say something you really believe about God. Working out will also help produce some good chemicals for the brain.
 
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Also, remember that His ways are higher than our ways. Who are we to pull back the heavenly curtain to look at His business. He has given us His word, Spirit, and only Son. We just simply trust and obey. He is willing that none would perish, but sometimes, people want sin more than they want Jesus. So He gives them their desire. Try to fill your mind with the promises of God. It wont be easy, but you will be strengthened on the other side of this for sure. Peace of Christ to you.
 
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Thanks so much for your advice. I will keep trying. Its hard when it seems easier to stop believing than trust him with the hell issue. I find trusting him hard enough with much smaller things! Do you have any books you'd particularly recommend? They are my usual go to if I'm struggling with something.
 
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yes my OCD can get bad because i think that am a bad person that i am going to hell
and ill never get to heaven because am a bad person
i also have blasphemous thoughts
i have sought help from a prayer ministry at a church i go to and i see a therapist but its short term appointments
i also pray and rock obsessively unsure if anyone else does that ?
 
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I think for those of us with OCD, we are putting too much of the pressure on ourselves. After all, its Christ that saves....not us. When we start adding to that, it's like saying His work on the cross is not enough.

The truth is, you are a bad person. So am I. Embrace that fact. Christ died for the worst people. Stop trying to prove to God that you are a good person. Your works of righteousness are like filthy rags. Its His work in you that is perfect. If you are concerned that He is not working in you, then cry out to Him. While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Two things to consider. Is there unrepented sin in your life? You give satan a stronghold when this is going on. Stop all sin and ask for Jesus' help. Second find strength and know that Christ Himself keeps you. He says all those that the father give to me, none shall be snatched from my hand. Also believe that His grace is enough and infinitely more powerful than your sin. Christ died for sinners. Confess your OCD to God and ask for His compassion on you. The fact that you dont want to be bad anymore is a good sign. Only Jesus can free us from this body of death. Just keep fighting.

Jesus said we must be born again correct? This is just my theroy and may the Lord forgive me if I'm wrong, but some birth is long and painful. Labor can last for days. However, once the process is over, there is life given to the baby and joy to the parents making it all worth it. The same might be able to be applied to our spiritual birth.

My advice. Abandon trust in yourself. Trust in Jesus alone and God's grace through Him. Ask God to reveal Himself in you. Don't question God. Repent of any sin in your life even by going to extremes. Satan wants us to beleieve we can keep loving our sin and still go to heaven. We must abandon our sin and cling to Christ.

None of this is easy, but the Christian life is a battle. Please as your first step in this battle, go pick up a real bible and read these verses....Acts 20:24 and Titus 3:5. Then do your best to get out and help encourage others.

I am going through something very dark right now and am struggling with doubt and blasphemous thoughts that are out of control. Not sleeping....however...I'm taking my own advice. I have resolved that no matter what is going on in my mind, heart, or world around me, i will proclaim His goodness until the day I die doing my best to trust that God loves me and sent Christ to die for me.
 
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Thanks, Davidabear. I am doing much better this week. I am not doubting God's existence (at least hardly at all). I am still struggling with leaving the hell issue with God, but it is a bit easier. I just don't like the feelings it leaves me with, it's hard to worship and read the bible without thoughts questioning God's goodness popping in my head. I have lots of people praying for me. I am trying my best to trust God with it all and wait for him to bring me through this.
 
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Amen! Track this progress by writing it down. That way, when you are tempted to shrink back, you will have a reminder. Praise God that He is helping you through this. All glory to Him. Take the progress and go encourage someone else. It will surely help build you up in Christ.
 
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From your post it does appear that you have scrupulosity, a very common form of OCD. OCD can't make you lose your faith, but it can create obsessions that make you fear you are losing your faith, to the point where you obsess about it. But it is important to remember that these are nothing more than obsessions--a symptom of an anxiety disorder and have nothing to do with your faith.

I would recommend meeting with a therapist who specializes in anxiety disorders.
 
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I've had something similar to OCD, and I am thankful in many ways for it. It forced me to examine my own thinking and my former religious faith in great detail, and so I have it to thank in bringing me to my new belief system (one which could stand up to greater scrutiny, IMO).
 
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What you describe sounds very similar to what I've been through. Faith related symptoms have been the hardest OCD symptom (and hardest thing period) that I've had to deal with in my life. I feared every time that I doubted that I had "stopped believing" and thus, was no longer saved. This was just OCD doing what it usually does: attack the most significant thoughts, feelings, and beliefs in your life. Just because you're wondering whether what you believe is right doesn't mean you're automatically not a Christian.

I eventually kind of realized that I didn't need to understand or be sure of 100% of my beliefs to have saving faith. Just the fact that you're trying to "stay Christian" shows faith. I've written about my personal experiences with these symptoms elsewhere if you want to find my older posts (I can find the for you if you can't and if you're interested.)
 
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I would also add that if you are worried you have lost your faith, you haven't. In the Christian belief, it takes a complete turning away from God to no longer be saved. If you did this, there would be no worrying about it, since you would actively be doing it. The fact that you worry about it should be enough to illustrate to you that this is in fact OCD and not faith-related.

And worse case scenario, even if you did turn away from God, you can always go back to your faith and therefore, be saved. The unforgivable sin is one where you completely harden your heart against God on a consistent basis and never go back to your faith.
 
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Hi ocd=owie, could you find those posts for me. I've looked, but can't see them. Struggling so much at the moment. Today with trying to trust that god is real and then getting lots of thoughts about what people will think if I'm wrong and it's not true. Finding all this so hard. Decided trusting god was the answer, then obsessing whether its all true, then worrying about making the wrong choice and what people would think. Just wish I could turn the clock back for a year before all this started! Seeing my psychologist on Friday next week
Hope she'll be able to help.
 
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Thank you OCD=Owie. These are helpful. I'm still struggling, but still hanging onto God somehow. I found a book last week that seems helpful, haven't finished it yet. Benefit of the doubt by Greg Boyd. Addresses uncertainty and what biblical faith looks like. Doesn't address ocd though, but have found it a bit freeing that I don't have to be certain. Now just need to work out the ocd bit! Would love to feel confident in god's goodness again without this constant doubting feeling. Thanks again.
 
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