Pastor marries pregnant teen after wife's blessing.

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the whole point of the marriage is to produce a male heir nd once that is done there is no need for such a marriage and now the brother can go and get married with a wife for himself.
Where does it say that? The Sister in law becomes his wife for life. And if he is already married, she becomes the 2nd wife.

Did Boaz dump Ruth once she had born a male child to inherit the land of her first husband?
 
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If he wants to have more than one wife then I don't see why his wives couldn't have more than one husband...

It has something to do with the psychological differences between men and women.

Women are naturally monagamous, until brainwashed by society and mass media and hordes of males that infidelity is actually good for you.
 
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It has something to do with the psychological differences between men and women.

Women are naturally monagamous, until brainwashed by society and mass media and hordes of males that infidelity is actually good for you.
So the difference is actually that when a woman sleeps with more than one man it's called infidelity and it's bad but when a man does it's called polygamy and it's acceptable? I don't think I'd be the first or last to say SEXIST.
 
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males that infidelity is actually good for you.
Maybe until they get someone pregnant. Then they can enjoy child support to the tune of 21%-23% of their GROSS income. Happens all the time.

Then two people who barely know each other can try to get along for the next 18 years while raising their child and seeing them maybe 50% of the time.

Then when one or both of them do fall in love and get married, you can deal with another man or woman raising your child and calling them mommy/daddy. Not fun.

Good deal guys! :oldthumbsup:
 
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It has something to do with the psychological differences between men and women.

Women are naturally monagamous, until brainwashed by society and mass media and hordes of males that infidelity is actually good for you.
There is no such thing as "naturally monogamous." The difference has been caused by social upheaval (which is a good thing.) I could make a long list of the things that have freed up women, including contraception, easier divorce, full access to education and careers .. make your own list .. and this combination of factors have changed our lives, giving us similar (but not the same) freedom as men. For instance, a woman who cheated on her husband 100 years ago, could have been turned out with no money and lost all access to her kids. She would have been a complete outcast. This kept, I'm sure, the vast majority of women in line. The stigma has now gone, women can now keep their kids, and if she has a good career, she can fully support herself and her kids.

Disclaimer: I'm not advocating for infidelity. I'm just telling it how it is.
 
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Disclaimer: I'm not advocating for infidelity.

You are not condemning it either. Your post reminds me of the "you let me" defense offered in response to the question why did you break your marriage vows and have sex with another man. Can't be a character flaw in the woman of course, it must be just a sign of the times.
 
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You are not condemning it either. Your post reminds me of the "you let me" defense offered in response to the question why did you break your marriage vows and have sex with another man. Can't be a character flaw in the woman of course, it must be just a sign of the times.
I have been married for a long time, and have been utterly faithful to my husband. I would be devastated if he broke his vows. Of course I do not advocate for infidelity. I was stating facts of how things have changed while remaining non-judgmental. You might try it some time yourself.
 
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There are many reasons I'm opposed to polygamy, but it would be dishonest for me to claim that scripture is one of them.
Rules against polygamy come from recent western culture, not the Bible.
Which says only that pastors are not to be polygamous
No Titus is Not speaking just of pastors. Also the people that it is speaking about are to be the most Godly men in the church that are called to be setting the example for others in the church. That is how we also know that the Apostles taught against domestic violence, it is clearly against the description of what an ELDER in the church should look like/behave like. Elders are pastors, bishops, deacons, elders of all sort are given authority and responsibilities for the care of the laity.
Tit 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Tit 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
 
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Of course it's nauseating and dumb at the same time. Normal people don't do things like this. They divorce the pig of a husband and leave him to get on with his new wife.

Depending on what culture we're talking about that may not be normal at all. In Latin cultures, when love between man and wife grows thin, rather than divorcing, the normal course of action is for the husband to take a mistress to preserve the marriage. Unlike the story in the OP, the husband is expected to be discreet about about it, and he certainly doesn't call her his "wife".

The idea is that marriage as an institution is too important to be subject whims of human emotion and in this they have a point. Not that I personally agree with this. I believe that adultery effectively severes the covenant. The Catholic Church doesn't agree, though, hence the arrangement I just described. Again while I don't condone this, it certainly isn't correct to say that it isn't normal, and I have seriously doubts as to whether the present custom in our culture of filing divorce papers just because you're not happy.

I was stating facts of how things have changed while remaining non-judgmental. You might try it some time yourself.

"Nauseating", "dumb", "Normal people don't do things like this". You're quite capable of being judgmental about things that genuinely bother you.
 
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No Titus is Not speaking just of pastors. Also the people that it is speaking about are to be the most Godly men in the church that are called to be setting the example for others in the church. That is how we also know that the Apostles taught against domestic violence, it is clearly against the description of what an ELDER in the church should look like/behave like. Elders are pastors, bishops, deacons, elders of all sort are given authority and responsibilities for the care of the laity.
Tit 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Tit 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
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Yup. It's right there 'The husband of one wife'.
 
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Depending on what culture we're talking about that may not be normal at all. In Latin cultures, when love between man and wife grows thin, rather than divorcing, the normal course of action is for the husband to take a mistress to preserve the marriage. Unlike the story in the OP, the husband is expected to be discreet about about it, and he certainly doesn't call her his "wife".
Not in any "Latin" people that I know.
The idea is that marriage as an institution is too important to be subject whims of human emotion and in this they have a point. Not that I personally agree with this. I believe that adultery effectively severes the covenant. The Catholic Church doesn't agree, though, hence the arrangement I just described. Again while I don't condone this, it certainly isn't correct to say that it isn't normal, and I have seriously doubts as to whether the present custom in our culture of filing divorce papers just because you're not happy.
Marriage "as an institution" does not and never will trump fidelity, trust and decency. Such an institution is worthless. Staying with a cheating spouse "because institution" is a nauseating concept which I hope that nobody falls for anymore.
"Nauseating", "dumb", "Normal people don't do things like this". You're quite capable of being judgmental about things that genuinely bother you.
Yeah, but it's okay when I do it. :oldthumbsup:
 
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Actually, given the correct (but rare) set of circumstances, polygny can be COMMANDED in scripture. I am thinking about the command to take your sister in law as wife to raise up heirs to a dead brother. It applies whether you are already married or not.
Really? Then why did the nearest kinsman in Ruth said he couldn't redeem after learning he had to give Ruth a child? (he first agreed to redeem the land)Of course Boaz was happy about this as he wanted to marry Ruth.
Could you give an example where a married man had to raise up a heir as it seem in book of Ruth he could refused.
 
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They are all adults, and if they are happy with their situation and everything was consensual, then more power to them.

A divorce might get a bit messy.
Along with being expensive............

Mat 19:
7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.



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Could you give an example where a married man had to raise up a heir as it seem in book of Ruth he could refused.
Judah. He had a liaison with his daughter in law Tamar after refusing to give her his youngest son. While the scriptures give no details, given the social norms of the day, it meant he had to take her as his own wife. Gen 38
 
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They are over 18 years old. They can legally have sex all they want and live together. I have no issues with it. I assume it's legal to married to multiple women, where they live. Unless one is a spiritual marriage. But still they are consenting adults. I couldn't share a man with another man. It wouldn't end well.
Wow. The replies to my OP just confirms that some people will believe anything. As to the post I'm replying to it seems apparent that the poster must have failed to read the article if at all. The author of the article states that polygamy is against the law in all 50 states so the poster's assumption has no foundation. I'm not sure what the poster means by "spiritual marriage" but the Bible doesn't mention anything of the kind. This sounds like a nice little rhetorical device just to get around any biblical prohibition.

The "pastor" states, "I don’t preach about polygamy, but I feel it’s a very Christian lifestyle." While he may not preach about polygamy he most certainly lives it. And for a Christian this is not good regardless what anyone says. Also, his saying that he feels that it's a very Christian lifestyle makes me think about Judges 17:6 which reads, "In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes." That's clearly what's being done here. There's absolutely no biblical basis for polygamy whatsoever. The people of the church should show this "pastor" the door because he's obviously in error and has committed adultery and the church where he preaches should appoint another pastor.
 
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Judah. He had a liaison with his daughter in law Tamar after refusing to give her his youngest son. While the scriptures give no details, given the social norms of the day, it meant he had to take her as his own wife. Gen 38
Judah admit he was wrong. Genesis 38:26 "And Judah acknowledged them and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not Shelah my son . And he knew her again no more."
I fail to see this action was supported by scripture especially at first Judah was going to judge her.
 
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