Pre-Trib Only Another dream of the rapture?

allhart · Dec 1, 2015

Many say they believe in spirituality but then they do not truly believe.... Can a Christian have bad spirits living in them? Yahushua cleaned house n 7 more came back!?

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

dfw69 said:
I'm always leary of people who seek to find fault in the church...but I know you mean well sis...

it's interesting that in the parable you mention that the bride is not mentioned..her condition her anticipation when she is taken her joy etc...

..and it's interesting that the 5 virgins which were ready gave bad advice to the other 5 told then to leave and bye more ...they did not share their light with them...

The parable also suggest 2 different callings... it is assumed that the bride and the 5 virgins left at the same time ,,,when in fact it may be at two different times...that the bride went first....then the call for the virgins second..

.oil represents having light not the holy spirit....it is a strange teachings to say to 5 virgins go and bye the holy spirit...first you cannot bye the holy spirit...and second it's not fair that these who went seeking the Lord's spirit for them to miss it as if they could not find him....yet the bible says seek and you shall find...all one has to do is ask...

The oil in this case represents light...my people perish for lack of knowledge

You know, I had to think about this so I decided to look up some commentary on the ten virgins. I had always been taught that they represent the church. In this commentary Matthew Henry agrees that they represent the church, but also agrees with you that knowledge is what the five foolish lacked. Here it is.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
25:1-13 The circumstances of the parable of the ten virgins were taken from the marriage customs among the Jews, and explain the great day of Christ's coming. See the nature of Christianity. As Christians we profess to attend upon Christ, to honour him, also to be waiting for his coming. Sincere Christians are the wise virgins, and hypocrites the foolish ones. Those are the truly wise or foolish that are so in the affairs of their souls. Many have a lamp of profession in their hands, but have not, in their hearts, sound knowledge and settled resolution, which are needed to carry them through the services and trials of the present state. Their hearts are not stored with holy dispositions, by the new-creating Spirit of God. Our light must shine before men in good works; but this is not likely to be long done, unless there is a fixed, active principle in the heart, of faith in Christ, and love to God and our brethren. They all slumbered and slept. The delay represents the space between the real or apparent conversion of these professors, and the coming of Christ, to take them away by death, or to judge the world. But though Christ tarry past our time, he will not tarry past the due time. The wise virgins kept their lamps burning, but they did not keep themselves awake. Too many real Christians grow remiss, and one degree of carelessness makes way for another. Those that allow themselves to slumber, will scarcely keep from sleeping; therefore dread the beginning of spiritual decays. A startling summons was given. Go ye forth to meet Him, is a call to those prepared. The notice of Christ's approach, and the call to meet him, will awaken. Even those best prepared for death have work to do to get actually ready, 2Pe 3:14. It will be a day of search and inquiry; and it concerns us to think how we shall then be found. Some wanted oil to supply their lamps when going out. Those that take up short of true grace, will certainly find the want of it one time or other. An outward profession may light a man along this world, but the damps of the valley of the shadow of death will put out such a light. Those who care not to live the life, yet would die the death of the righteous. But those that would be saved, must have grace of their own; and those that have most grace, have none to spare. The best need more from Christ. And while the poor alarmed soul addresses itself, upon a sick-bed, to repentance and prayer, in awful confusion, death comes, judgment comes, the work is undone, and the poor sinner is undone for ever. This comes of having oil to buy when we should burn it, grace to get when we should use it. Those, and those only, shall go to heaven hereafter, that are made ready for heaven here. The suddenness of death and of Christ's coming to us then, will not hinder our happiness, if we have been prepared. The door was shut. Many will seek admission into heaven when it is too late. The vain confidence of hypocrites will carry them far in expectations of happiness. The unexpected summons of death may alarm the Christian; but, proceeding without delay to trim his lamp, his graces often shine more bright; while the mere professor's conduct shows that his lamp is going out. Watch therefore, attend to the business of your souls. Be in the fear of the Lord all the day long.

allhart · Dec 1, 2015

FireHeart said:
If people brag about the dreams and visions they get then God may very well not allow them to see them anymore. I speak of my dreams and visions not to brag or for any kind of attention or glory but because my heart leads me to speak of them and what these dreams and visions do for people is up to God.

Was the dream individually based for u or to be used corporately?

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

allhart said:
You guys realize that hasatan or Satan can give dreams...., we are in spiritual warfare.... We have to be bersans n test everything enlight of scripture.... Many will come in my name n decieve many.... How many Christians say they are Christians n I had a vision!? Not saying u but many want to be more

Hi allhart. Yes we discussed testing all things by the Word of God at the top of the thread. Maybe you missed it.

allhart · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Hi allhart. Yes we discussed testing all things by the Word of God at the top of the thread. Maybe you missed it.

Ya that's what I get for jumping in on the conversation

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

allhart said:
Ya that's what I get for jumping in on the conversation

LOL

, It happens to the best of us. Also did you notice the tag at the top that says pre-trib only? If you believe the rapture happens before the actual tribulation happens, then this thread is for you, and welcome

. If you do not believe in a rapture, or you believe the rapture happens after the tribulation, there are other threads with similar tags that address those viewpoints.

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
LOL , It happens to the best of us. Also did you notice the tag at the top that says pre-trib only? If you believe the rapture happens before the actual tribulation happens, then this thread is for you, and welcome . If you do not believe in a rapture, or you believe the rapture happens after the tribulation, there are other threads with similar tags that address those viewpoints.

dang i forgot about that

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
You know, I had to think about this so I decided to look up some commentary on the ten virgins. I had always been taught that they represent the church. In this commentary Matthew Henry agrees that they represent the church, but also agrees with you that knowledge is what the five foolish lacked. Here it is.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
25:1-13 The circumstances of the parable of the ten virgins were taken from the marriage customs among the Jews, and explain the great day of Christ's coming. See the nature of Christianity. As Christians we profess to attend upon Christ, to honour him, also to be waiting for his coming. Sincere Christians are the wise virgins, and hypocrites the foolish ones. Those are the truly wise or foolish that are so in the affairs of their souls. Many have a lamp of profession in their hands, but have not, in their hearts, sound knowledge and settled resolution, which are needed to carry them through the services and trials of the present state. Their hearts are not stored with holy dispositions, by the new-creating Spirit of God. Our light must shine before men in good works; but this is not likely to be long done, unless there is a fixed, active principle in the heart, of faith in Christ, and love to God and our brethren. They all slumbered and slept. The delay represents the space between the real or apparent conversion of these professors, and the coming of Christ, to take them away by death, or to judge the world. But though Christ tarry past our time, he will not tarry past the due time. The wise virgins kept their lamps burning, but they did not keep themselves awake. Too many real Christians grow remiss, and one degree of carelessness makes way for another. Those that allow themselves to slumber, will scarcely keep from sleeping; therefore dread the beginning of spiritual decays. A startling summons was given. Go ye forth to meet Him, is a call to those prepared. The notice of Christ's approach, and the call to meet him, will awaken. Even those best prepared for death have work to do to get actually ready, 2Pe 3:14. It will be a day of search and inquiry; and it concerns us to think how we shall then be found. Some wanted oil to supply their lamps when going out. Those that take up short of true grace, will certainly find the want of it one time or other. An outward profession may light a man along this world, but the damps of the valley of the shadow of death will put out such a light. Those who care not to live the life, yet would die the death of the righteous. But those that would be saved, must have grace of their own; and those that have most grace, have none to spare. The best need more from Christ. And while the poor alarmed soul addresses itself, upon a sick-bed, to repentance and prayer, in awful confusion, death comes, judgment comes, the work is undone, and the poor sinner is undone for ever. This comes of having oil to buy when we should burn it, grace to get when we should use it. Those, and those only, shall go to heaven hereafter, that are made ready for heaven here. The suddenness of death and of Christ's coming to us then, will not hinder our happiness, if we have been prepared. The door was shut. Many will seek admission into heaven when it is too late. The vain confidence of hypocrites will carry them far in expectations of happiness. The unexpected summons of death may alarm the Christian; but, proceeding without delay to trim his lamp, his graces often shine more bright; while the mere professor's conduct shows that his lamp is going out. Watch therefore, attend to the business of your souls. Be in the fear of the Lord all the day long.

in content of the parable...the bride is one married to christ...the 10 virgins are not ..they are wedding guest....they await the bridegroom call to enter

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

dfw69 said:
in content of the parable...the bride is one married to christ...the 10 virgins are not ..they are wedding guest....they await the bridegroom call to enter

Let us just say we see it differently.

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Let us just say we see it differently.

ok ...thanks for listening though..i appreciate it... :hug:

Echolipse · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
LOL , It happens to the best of us. Also did you notice the tag at the top that says pre-trib only? If you believe the rapture happens before the actual tribulation happens, then this thread is for you, and welcome . If you do not believe in a rapture, or you believe the rapture happens after the tribulation, there are other threads with similar tags that address those viewpoints.

Ya that's why I don't feel convicted when I don't comment on the posts about rapture threads on something other than what I believe in, but I feel I can comment on a post not relating to that but all in a thread that's still marks as "pre-trib".

dfw69 said:
in content of the parable...the bride is one married to christ...the 10 virgins are not ..they are wedding guest....they await the bridegroom call to enter

I must disagree with you on that part.

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Let us just say we see it differently.

Agreed

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Echolipse said:
I must disagree with you on that part.

what are you thinking?

FireHeart · Dec 1, 2015

allhart said:
Was the dream individually based for u or to be used corporately?

Certain ones are for me specifically only because it is something between father and I that we would understand but most of the time I have always felt lead to share what he shows me

FireHeart · Dec 1, 2015

allhart said:
You guys realize that hasatan or Satan can give dreams...., we are in spiritual warfare.... We have to be bersans n test everything enlight of scripture.... Many will come in my name n decieve many.... How many Christians say they are Christians n I had a vision!? Not saying u but many want to be more

Oh I all to aware how satan can give dreams like I said earlier in this thread he has pretending to be Jesus at least twice to fool me and he and I also had kind of wrestling match as well which I think if I shared it it might give an idea how we are and how he works so I think I can share this one.

I remember quite well that I was in a pure dark place and satan was strangling me while I was fighting back with a powerful fire that was inside me and all around me, this fire is the fire that I kow of as the holy spirit and also the fire that burns out of a deep love and passion which is the fire that burns in God's heart. satan whispered to me you are not strong enough and normally to many people this would bring them down because we tend to listen to the devil when he whispers these thoughts to us but instead what happened was that fire only grew in intensity and kept becoming stronger and stronger and stronger and it became so strong that the effect of that fire jolted me awake and I was still overwhelmed by the power of that fire as I sat up in my bed.

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
LOL , It happens to the best of us. Also did you notice the tag at the top that says pre-trib only? If you believe the rapture happens before the actual tribulation happens, then this thread is for you, and welcome . If you do not believe in a rapture, or you believe the rapture happens after the tribulation, there are other threads with similar tags that address those viewpoints.

this forum sure has changed since the last time i was here...for the better...we can have peaceful conversations ....

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

dfw69 said:
this forum sure has changed since the last time i was here...for the better...we can have peaceful conversations ....

AMEN!

I had to get used to the tags, but, when I finally got the knack, I see that they work well for bringing peace.

Echolipse · Dec 2, 2015

dfw69 said:
what are you thinking?

The virgins are the bride. The ones who are sleeping and not watching their "oil" is the sleeping church and lukewarm (and possibly even false Christians), versus the virgins who are always on the lookout and are ready. These virgins are those of are active in their church-body, they actively seek Him in their alone time, and also spread the gospel. The sleep church does none of this.

Also: Matthew 22, the parable of the wedding feast, this is an example of both the wedding guests and the post-wrath theory.

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 2, 2015

Echolipse said:
The virgins are the bride. The ones who are sleeping and not watching their "oil" is the sleeping church and lukewarm (and possibly even false Christians), versus the virgins who are always on the lookout and are ready. These virgins are those of are active in their church-body, they actively seek Him in their alone time, and also spread the gospel. The sleep church does none of this.

Also: Matthew 22, the parable of the wedding feast, this is an example of both the wedding guests and the post-wrath theory.

I agree with this in part. I do not subscribe to post wrath theory. And this IS a pre-trib thread so maybe another thread would be in order. IMHO the wedding feast shows the Pre-trib rapture and the plight of those left behind.

dfw69 · Dec 2, 2015

Echolipse said:
The virgins are the bride. The ones who are sleeping and not watching their "oil" is the sleeping church and lukewarm (and possibly even false Christians), versus the virgins who are always on the lookout and are ready. These virgins are those of are active in their church-body, they actively seek Him in their alone time, and also spread the gospel. The sleep church does none of this.

Also: Matthew 22, the parable of the wedding feast, this is an example of both the wedding guests and the post-wrath theory.

In the Christians world a man must have one wife ...not 10 ...are you referring to a mid Eastern wedding where the bridegroom has made a covenant with 10 brides ?...if so how is it he would not come for them and not know them if he made a covenant with them...it makes no sense

It says they all fell asleep but 5 left the party to get more oil and miss the meeting

Echolipse · Dec 2, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
I agree with this in part. I do not subscribe to post wrath theory. And this IS a pre-trib thread so maybe another thread would be in order. IMHO the wedding feast shows the Pre-trib rapture and the plight of those left behind.

Hence why I wasn't pushing and "trying" to prove my theory, but simply stating what I saw in it.

dfw69 said:
In the Christians world a man must have one wife ...not 10 ...are you referring to a mid Eastern wedding where the bridegroom has made a covenant with 10 brides ?...if so how is it he would not come for them and not know them if he made a covenant with them...it makes no sense

It says they all fell asleep but 5 left the party to get more oil and miss the meeting

While the number of wives thing is true, we must also look at the time at which Jesus was explaining things. During that time, other cultures could take numerous wives and the people knew this. So He was using this as an example for Him returning to earth and his wife (the church body) and the ones ready for Him being there. Mind you, this is the simplest explanation out there without going into further details and further theory; again this a pre-trib thread and I don't want to intrude my differing beliefs onto your differing beliefs.

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