Rachael Doleza and Catilyn Jenner; what's the difference?

tulipbee · Nov 16, 2015

ecco said:
You haven't been addressing the questions.
tulipbee said:

And she got disability while we pay the taxes for it. The taxes gives her monthly payments, food stamps and healthcare. We all paid them.

Do you have a reference for your comment that this person got disability payments?

I did answer but I don't see it so my tablet probably didn't cooperate with internet. Disabled do get disability. If you look carefully at the word, you'll get the idea. Case closed!

Crowns&Laurels · Nov 16, 2015

I wonder why nobody has ever tried to acknowledge the reality that all these polls ranging from virtually everything according to liberals vs conservatives or Christians vs atheists are UNANIMOUSLY in favor of liberal and atheists.

Realize that, because of this, it is mostly obvious lies, perpetuated by liars misrepresenting everything to smear them. This is not something that the Left is unknown for and I figure that needs to go on ahead and be brought up. It gets very frustrating very quickly to consistently be sidelined by a bogus claim that liberals have something on the right. No. matter. what. Feminists for example made a career out of this for like a decade and it's just only been called out over the past year or so.

I tried to let that other post go earlier but you know what? Forget that. That notion is inaccurate, divorce is NOT some scourging thing of the Right and not the Left.

This is what the Barna groups consensus is. A Christian group that actually does real, exptensive polls and observations with family and marriage.

Conservative 28% 1343
Moderate 33% 1720
Liberal 37% 474

Skaloop · Nov 16, 2015

Crowns&Laurels said:
I wonder why nobody has ever tried to acknowledge the reality that all these polls ranging from virtually everything according to liberals vs conservatives or Christians vs atheists are UNANIMOUSLY in favor of liberal and atheists.

Realize that, because of this, it is mostly obvious lies, perpetuated by liars misrepresenting everything to smear them. This is not something that the Left is unknown for and I figure that needs to go on ahead and be brought up. It gets very frustrating very quickly to consistently be sidelined by a bogus claim that liberals have something on the right. No. matter. what. Feminists for example made a career out of this for like a decade and it's just only been called out over the past year or so.

I tried to let that other post go earlier but you know what? Forget that. That notion is inaccurate, divorce is NOT some scourging thing of the Right and not the Left.

This is what the Barna groups consensus is. A Christian group that actually does real, exptensive polls and observations with family and marriage.

Conservative 28% 1343
Moderate 33% 1720
Liberal 37% 474

Your response to the alleged bias in all of those polls is to pick a poll done by a group with an openly stated bias?

Crowns&Laurels · Nov 16, 2015

Skaloop said:
Your response to the alleged bias in all of those polls is to pick a poll done by a group with an openly stated bias?

I'm saying that it's funny that polls exist which shows the exact opposite of these bald, on demand statistics obviously intended to one up the religious and conservatives.

I've seen people get divorced all my life, and it's typically not the religious type. Even less so conservative. It's dubious that these alleged polls never seems to line up with what I see all the time, on any subject. That is very tell-tale to me, as there is a difference between a person being selective with observation and there just being a plain misrepresentation of society.

Skaloop · Nov 16, 2015

Crowns&Laurels said:
I'm saying that it's funny that polls exist which shows the exact opposite of these bald, on demand statistics obviously intended to one up the religious and conservatives.

But why trust polls like the Barna one over other polls? Especially when there are issues with the Barna group's methods (such as having an invitation to participate in their polls, which goes against their claim of their sample population being random).

I've seen people get divorced all my life, and it's typically not the religious type. Even less so conservative. It's dubious that these alleged polls never seems to line up with what I see all the time, on any subject. That is very tell-tale to me, as there is a difference between a person being selective with observation and there just being a plain misrepresentation of society.

Why exactly should your personal observations and confirmation bias outweigh legitimate polls? Barna's numbers talk about conservative/moderate/liberal, but the initial study was about religious versus non-religious. Since there are plenty of religious liberals, you're not comparing apples to apples.

antitox · Nov 16, 2015

Crowns&Laurels said:
I'm saying that it's funny that polls exist which shows the exact opposite of these bald, on demand statistics obviously intended to one up the religious and conservatives.

I've seen people get divorced all my life, and it's typically not the religious type. Even less so conservative. It's dubious that these alleged polls never seems to line up with what I see all the time, on any subject. That is very tell-tale to me, as there is a difference between a person being selective with observation and there just being a plain misrepresentation of society.

I'm not too favorable toward polls either. Many times, according to the news reports they may only give certain answers to pick from which don't clearly express an individual's true position or the way the question is worded does not allow for an accurate answer form a particular standpoint. So it's easy to frame something a certain way with a poll.

Crowns&Laurels · Nov 16, 2015

Skaloop said:
Why exactly should your personal observations and confirmation bias outweigh legitimate polls? Barna's numbers talk about conservative/moderate/liberal, but the initial study was about religious versus non-religious. Since there are plenty of religious liberals, you're not comparing apples to apples.

Polls are not the infallible demigods liberals try to make them out to be. Just because you put up a poll doesn't mean you are right, plain and simple.
This is why I get annoyed easily with people always needing sources. Maybe in an exhaustive, formal debate where one brings a preconditioned argument and homework, but there's this idea that one just whips out a random poll and are declared right.
No..

If ANYONE is having an issue with confirmation bias, it's relying on the polls like fish rely on water.

Sammy-San · Nov 16, 2015

Ken-1122 said:
Rachael Doleza is a white lady who says she identifies racially as black, and has even passed as black. Every time I see her on TV everybody seems to vilify her and act as if she is a fraud. Yet when Bruce Jenner claimed to identify as a woman, and is currently living as a woman; even to the point of changing his name to Caitlyn he is held up as a hero even to the point of ESPN presenting the Author Ashe courage award. Why? Why is Rachael Doleza vilified and Caitlyn praised? What’s the difference?
Ken

There is no biological reason Rachael Doleza could be argued to be a black woman. Caitlyn Jenner, on the other hand, had hormones.

Not saying I agree with people changing race or gender-just the facts.

Skaloop · Nov 16, 2015

Crowns&Laurels said:
Polls are not the infallible demigods liberals try to make them out to be. Just because you put up a poll doesn't mean you are right, plain and simple.
This is why I get annoyed easily with people always needing sources. Maybe in an exhaustive, formal debate where one brings a preconditioned argument and homework, but there's this idea that one just whips out a random poll and are declared right.
No..

If ANYONE is having an issue with confirmation bias, it's relying on the polls like fish rely on water.

Same applies for you. Just putting up a poll doesn't make you right.

ecco · Nov 16, 2015

And she got disability while we pay the taxes for it. The taxes gives her monthly payments, food stamps and healthcare. We all paid them.

Do you have a reference for your comment that this person got disability payments?

tulipbee said:
I did answer but I don't see it so my tablet probably didn't cooperate with internet. Disabled do get disability. If you look carefully at the word, you'll get the idea. Case closed!

I know that disabled people get disability payments. That was never the question. The question, which you refuse to address, is the validity of the story to begin with.

Was there really a sighted woman who claimed to be blind and therefore got disability payments?

Please post links to newspaper articles or whatever source you had for this story.

ecco · Nov 16, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
I have not looked at the numbers, but these days many pseudo christians join their atheist and agnostic brothers in not limiting intimate relationships to proper marriage. They just shack up.

So, real christians do not shack up, only pseudo christians shack up.

I guess on census forms we should add a few more boxes under "Religion":

True christian
Pseudo Christian, because I shack up
Pseudo Christian, because I believe in evolution
Pseudo Christian, because I believe in birth control
Pseudo Christian, because I am homosexual

Group, feel free to add any other persuasions that you feel disqualify people from being True Christians.

Dave-W · Nov 17, 2015

ecco said:
So, real christians do not shack up, only pseudo christians shack up.

Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

ecco · Nov 17, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said: ↑

I have not looked at the numbers, but these days many pseudo christians join their atheist and agnostic brothers in not limiting intimate relationships to proper marriage. They just shack up.

ecco:

So, real christians do not shack up, only pseudo christians shack up.

I guess on census forms we should add a few more boxes under "Religion":

True christian
Pseudo Christian, because I shack up
Pseudo Christian, because I believe in evolution
Pseudo Christian, because I believe in birth control
Pseudo Christian, because I am homosexual

DaveW-Ohev said:
Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

Who defines true christian vs. pseudo christian? You?

Ken-1122 · Nov 17, 2015

Superhero Sam said:
There is no biological reason Rachael Doleza could be argued to be a black woman. Caitlyn Jenner, on the other hand, had hormones.

Not saying I agree with people changing race or gender-just the facts.

Why was Bruce Jenner's hormones more important of a factor than Rachael's life experiences?

Ken

Dave-W · Nov 18, 2015

ecco said:
Who defines true christian vs. pseudo christian? You?

They define themselves by their actions.

I knew a guy in a bible study when I was in college. Claimed to be an evangelist and a life-long christian. He turned out to be a serial killer (started with his fiancee)

tulipbee · Nov 23, 2015

Skaloop said:
Do you have a problem with people with disabilities getting assistance?

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Locutus · Nov 23, 2015

antitox said:
This life is imperfect. You and I are imperfect as well as the fallen state of all man and creation due to it's initial rejection of Him. If you are a non-Christian I wouldn't expect you to understand because it requires God's Spirit in your life to make way for any perception of it. Otherwise, the communique is very limited.

but you said the Christian god doesn't make mistakes. are you saying these babies (with chromosomal anomalies) did it to themselves?

ecco · Nov 23, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
They define themselves by their actions.

I knew a guy in a bible study when I was in college. Claimed to be an evangelist and a life-long christian. He turned out to be a serial killer (started with his fiancee)

So, only Good Christians are Real Christians. Uh huh. Great logic.

If a Good Christian becomes a Non Christian because he kills a lot of people and then accepts jesus and is born again, is he a Good Christian or a Non Christian?

Dave-W · Nov 24, 2015

ecco said:
So, only Good Christians are Real Christians. Uh huh. Great logic.

"Real Christians" are those who have come under the Lordship of God. They show the fruit of the Spirit in their life. As our Lord said "You shall know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:16

I think it would be rather clear that anyone who is a serial killer is NOT living the fruit of the Spirit.

In order for a person to be born again, they have to repent which means turning around and making their life line up with the moral and relational standards of the bible. (specifically the New Testament) They also need to submit themselves to a process of discipleship which means subjecting yourself to another person who can bring correction and instruction.

ecco · Nov 24, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
"Real Christians" are those who have come under the Lordship of God. They show the fruit of the Spirit in their life. As our Lord said "You shall know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:16

I think it would be rather clear that anyone who is a serial killer is NOT living the fruit of the Spirit.

In order for a person to be born again, they have to repent which means turning around and making their life line up with the moral and relational standards of the bible. (specifically the New Testament) They also need to submit themselves to a process of discipleship which means subjecting yourself to another person who can bring correction and instruction.

So, again, only Good Christians are Real Christians. Now all we need to do is define "good Christians". Serial killer - not good christian (or good person either).

How about Catholics? They believe in a lot of stuff you probably don't. Do you consider Catholics to be good Christians?

How about these folks?

The Church of God with Signs Following and The Church of Lord Jesus with Signs Following are the name applied to Pentecostal Holiness churches that practice snake handling and drinking poison in worship services,

A belief system where people occasionally die during their worship services.

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