It's official, women are 1 notch above dogs in the Bible

Jahrooshshalom said:

I've already answered that twice. Post 18 should help you.

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JackRT said:

In my humble opinion, patriarchy is the worst evil humanity has ever inflicted on itself.

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AntoineL said:

Patriarchy isn't evil at all. Nothing wrong with the model of God's design for men and women. The problem is sin--abuse of the role

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JackRT said:

So the question boils down to "What is God's design for men and women?" I am quite unconvinced that biblical patriarchy and misogyny are God ordained. I see them as representing societal standards of the day that do not apply everywhere or at all times.

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Dirk1540 said:

I've been trying to put things in perspective for awhile and there is simply no way to sugar coat it it is amazing how low the value of women compared to men is. Deuteronomy has the ultimate 1, 2 punch. Deuteronomy 21:10-14 has absolutely zero concern for the opinion of the woman on the matter. If a man finds a 'War captive' woman attractive and desires her he can take her as his wife. WOW! Again not a word about what she wants.

The next chapter is even worse. If a women so much as has a promised link to a man, in other words even if she is not married to him but only pledged to be married to him a sexual affair would result in both of them being stoned. Now CLEARLY that harsh punishment is only in place because the man's pledged property has been violated...because, it continues, if a woman who is unmarried and unpledged is RAPED then the rapist must pay a fine. An even bigger WOW!!

The follow up is that the woman's father decides whether or not she will become the rapist's wife. She has zero say. I did ask a few people about this and I found their rationalization to be very lacking. The rationalization was 'What kind of father would allow his daughter to marry her rapist!' Well, sadly, they exist. Sadly there are fathers who literally are their daughter's rapist. And more sadly is that the father, even if he DID have reservations about such a marriage may STILL agree to it because a defiled single woman in those days would become a financial burden to him to raise (a financial headache). So even if a woman's father was less malicious than a father who would rape is own daughter, he may still grudgingly agree to the marriage for financial reasons.

I get the whole 'Relative to other nations women had it good thing' but it becomes very hard to cope with how God would not raise the bar higher than he did for women. It is simply accurate to say that raping a woman was not a huge deal to God...50 shekels was the penalty. ONLY if a woman had a connection to a guy was capital punishment involved.

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com7fy8 said:

Abigail was not considered to be just a notch above a doggie.

May be you don't like doggies??? I'll "bet" there are ladies who appreciate their nice little doggies more than they value some number of men.

But David esteemed Abigail so much more than a dog . . . I offer, based on 1 Samuel 25.

But I can see how you might think the laws rated women so lowly. But those laws did not rate women versus men. But they included rules about how men and women were specialized in matters which were no indication of the worth of men and women . . . since there certainly were women who were much more real than men were. Also, if women were doing what is wrong, no they were not going to get treated well.

But someone like Abigail managed to get a lot of praise and honor.

So, the law did not decide who was superior or less than others.

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Hetta said:

So one woman was rated higher and that makes it okay.

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Dirk1540 said:

I've been trying to put things in perspective for awhile and there is simply no way to sugar coat it it is amazing how low the value of women compared to men is. Deuteronomy has the ultimate 1, 2 punch. Deuteronomy 21:10-14 has absolutely zero concern for the opinion of the woman on the matter. If a man finds a 'War captive' woman attractive and desires her he can take her as his wife. WOW! Again not a word about what she wants.

The next chapter is even worse. If a women so much as has a promised link to a man, in other words even if she is not married to him but only pledged to be married to him a sexual affair would result in both of them being stoned. Now CLEARLY that harsh punishment is only in place because the man's pledged property has been violated...because, it continues, if a woman who is unmarried and unpledged is RAPED then the rapist must pay a fine. An even bigger WOW!!

The follow up is that the woman's father decides whether or not she will become the rapist's wife. She has zero say. I did ask a few people about this and I found their rationalization to be very lacking. The rationalization was 'What kind of father would allow his daughter to marry her rapist!' Well, sadly, they exist. Sadly there are fathers who literally are their daughter's rapist. And more sadly is that the father, even if he DID have reservations about such a marriage may STILL agree to it because a defiled single woman in those days would become a financial burden to him to raise (a financial headache). So even if a woman's father was less malicious than a father who would rape is own daughter, he may still grudgingly agree to the marriage for financial reasons.

I get the whole 'Relative to other nations women had it good thing' but it becomes very hard to cope with how God would not raise the bar higher than he did for women. It is simply accurate to say that raping a woman was not a huge deal to God...50 shekels was the penalty. ONLY if a woman had a connection to a guy was capital punishment involved.

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