IsThis Forum Dead?

jimmyjimmy · Nov 11, 2015

Nothing going on here. It seems that the Semper Reformanda forum has less of a pulse than the average Reformed church. . .

AMR · Nov 11, 2015

It is that time of the year.

moonbeam · Nov 12, 2015

thatbrian said:
Nothing going on here. It seems that the Semper Reformanda forum has less of a pulse than the average Reformed church. . .

Well…..I guess there is nothing stopping you from kicking the hornets nest?

Go on….you know you want to

jimmyjimmy · Nov 12, 2015

moonbeam said:
Well…..I guess there is nothing stopping you from kicking the hornets nest?

Go on….you know you want to

True. Very true. I just wonder if there are enough hornets in the nest to make it interesting.

gord44 · Nov 12, 2015

Very quiet lately. Even the Pub rarely gets visited anymore.

GraceDriven · Nov 12, 2015

I know there is no such thing as a free lunch but the ads are a pain.

twin1954 · Nov 12, 2015

Not being one to stir a pile of dung of course :sorry:

but I would be willing to stir up a conversation concerning the law. Is anyone interested?

jimmyjimmy · Nov 12, 2015

Why don't non-Calvinistic people take issue

twin1954 said:
Not being one to stir a pile of dung of course but I would be willing to stir up a conversation concerning the law. Is anyone interested?

I would love any: rational, thoughtful, polite, biblical, on-topic conversation/debate.

twin1954 · Nov 12, 2015

Do you hold to the WCF view that the law is a rule of life for the believer. I am a Baptist but one of the reasons that I cannot agree with the LBC on the law. Believers are not under the law in any sense.

jimmyjimmy · Nov 12, 2015

twin1954 said:
Do you hold to the WCF view that the law is a rule of life for the believer. I am a Baptist but one of the reasons that I cannot agree with the LBC on the law. Believers are not under the law in any sense.

Expand on that and see where it goes. If I disagree with you, I will do so respectfully and with a biblical chapter and verse and not a section of a confession, promise.

twin1954 · Nov 12, 2015

thatbrian said:
Expand on that and see where it goes. If I disagree with you, I will do so respectfully and with a biblical chapter and verse and not a section of a confession, promise.

The traditional Reformed view, according to both confessions, is that believers are still under the Moral Law as a rule of life. That would mean that the law still holds us in bondage. Christ has freed us from the bondage of the law. We are not bound to the law in any way or to any extent. Those who believe that we are able to keep the law in any sense, obedience or through sanctification, has no real understanding of the absolute purity or righteousness of the law. The law is high and holy and we cannot reach its heights in any way. To say that we keep the law in any sense is to destroy the highness of the law and to lower it to a standard that we can reach. The Lord Jesus Christ is all our righteousness and all our holiness and His righteousness and holiness is enough for God and enough for us.

jimmyjimmy · Nov 12, 2015

twin1954 said:
The traditional Reformed view, according to both confessions, is that believers are still under the Moral Law as a rule of life. That would mean that the law still holds us in bondage. Christ has freed us from the bondage of the law. We are not bound to the law in any way or to any extent. Those who believe that we are able to keep the law in any sense, obedience or through sanctification, has no real understanding of the absolute purity or righteousness of the law. The law is high and holy and we cannot reach its heights in any way. To say that we keep the law in any sense is to destroy the highness of the law and to lower it to a standard that we can reach. The Lord Jesus Christ is all our righteousness and all our holiness and His righteousness and holiness is enough for God and enough for us.

Do you think that living by faith in Christ, and His finished work, that you walk in fulfillment of the moral law?

Jahrooshshalom · Nov 12, 2015

thatbrian said:
Nothing going on here. It seems that the Semper Reformanda forum has less of a pulse than the average Reformed church. . .

You could always start a different thread so as to start the revival.

Jahrooshshalom · Nov 12, 2015

GraceDriven said:
I know there is no such thing as a free lunch but the ads are a pain.

I saw that when I first joined and added "AdBlock" to my browser. I don't see one ad.

twin1954 · Nov 12, 2015

thatbrian said:
Do you think that living by faith in Christ, and His finished work, that you walk in fulfillment of the moral law?

Yes I do. The law demands perfect obedience and will accept nothing less. I have no obedience of my own that will meet that requirement except that the perfect obedience of Christ be counted as mine.

jimmyjimmy · Nov 12, 2015

twin1954 said:
Yes I do. The law demands perfect obedience and will accept nothing less. I have no obedience of my own that will meet that requirement except that the perfect obedience of Christ be counted as mine.

I agree with you.

There is a real issue with thinking that God accepts our (Christians) imperfect works. I had a pastor who came from Piper's church who constantly said this, and it was always a source of disagreement between us. God accepts perfection only, which is why we need not only forgiveness of sins through the death of Christ, but perfect righteousness given to us in the perfect life Christ lived.

twin1954 · Nov 12, 2015

thatbrian said:
I agree with you.

There is a real issue with thinking that God accepts our (Christians) imperfect works. I had a pastor who came from Piper's church who constantly said this, and it was always a source of disagreement between us. God accepts perfection only, which is why we need not only forgiveness of sins through the death of Christ, but perfect righteousness given to us in the life of Christ.

So they call you an antinomian too?

jimmyjimmy · Nov 12, 2015

twin1954 said:
So they call you an antinomian too?

Yup.

Could not be further from the truth, though. I actually hold the law in higher regard that those who accuse me of such.

I want to live and walk in the fulfillment of God's law, but I can't do that by looking to/at the law. I must look to Christ, and then I can do the impossible. I can then, and only then, "walk on water".

patrick jane · Nov 12, 2015

twin1954 said:
So they call you an antinomian too?

You can't do anything to get to heaven except believe. Your works mean nothing

Ephesians 2:8-9

BTW, God does not expect perfection - Galatians 3:3

moonbeam · Nov 12, 2015

twin1954 said:
Not being one to stir a pile of dung of course but I would be willing to stir up a conversation concerning the law. Is anyone interested?

Seeing as you have raised the matter of "dung"…..isn't that exactly what the apostle Paul considered his righteousness to be (in regards to) according to the law?

A retrospective view concerning himself (Saul)….but made in the "Light" of his concurrent state in Christ?

IsThis Forum Dead?

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What do you expect, we are the frozen chosen.

Everything has been discussed already. Nothing left to say.

We are the holy remnant. The smaller our group the more it proves how right we are.

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