Actually that is the only nonsense so far in the thread. Most Christians have no idea Christ was born in September as they ignorantly gives presents to each other in December believing that wisemen came and gave him presents as he lay in a manger. All fables. But Easter/Ishtar is the worst one, with egg hunts and rabbits everywhere. The people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge for sure.
No, zero, none evidence that Jesus was born in September. Wonder if you can help me out here. Where does the Bible say that someone who claims to be a Christian should attack others who call themselves Christian, and call them ignorant with no evidence? Still making with the Easter/Ishtar accusation and refusing to provide any evidence. If you think someone is wrong the burden of proof is on you to back up your accusations. Here is a quote from a 19th century Messianic Jew, Alfred Edersheim, from his book "The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah"
Vol I, p. 264 Appendix VII On The Date Of The Nativity Of Our Lord
...And yet Jewish tradition may here prove both illustrative and helpful. That the Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem, [1 In the curious story of His birth, related in the Jer. Talmud (Ber. ii. 3), He is said to have been born in 'the royal castle of Bethlehem;' while in the parallel narrative in the Midr. on Lament. i. 16, ed. W. p. 64 b) the somewhat mysterious expression is used But we must keep in view the Rabbinic statement that, even if a castle falls down, it is still called a castle (Yalkut, vol. ii. p. 60 b).] was a settled conviction. Equally so was the belief, that He was to be revealed from Migdal Eder, 'the tower of the flock.' [a Targum Pseudo-Jon. on Gen. xxxv 21.]
This Migdal Eder was not the watchtower for the ordinary flocks which pastured on the barren sheepground beyond Bethlehem, but lay close to the town, on the road to Jerusalem. A passage in the Mishnah [b Shek. vii. 4.] leads to the conclusion, that the flocks, which pastured there, were destined for Temple-sacrifices, [2 In fact the Mishnah (Baba K. vii. 7) expressly forbids the keeping of flocks throughout the land of Israel, except in the wilderness, and the only flocks otherwise kept, would be those for the Temple-services (Baba K. 80 a).] and, accordingly, that the shepherds, who watched over them, were not ordinary shepherds. The latter were under the ban of Rabbinism, [1 This disposes of an inapt quotation (from Delitzsch) by Dr. Geikie. No one could imagine, that the Talmudic passages in question could apply to such shepherds as these.] on account of their necessary isolation from religious ordinances, and their manner of life, which rendered strict legal observance unlikely, if not absolutely impossible.
The same Mishnaic passage also leads us to infer, that these flocks lay out all the year round, since they are spoken of as in the fields thirty days before the Passover, that is, in the month of February, when in Palestine the average rainfall is nearly greatest. [2 The mean of 22 seasons in Jerusalem amounted to 4.718 inches in December, 5.479 in January, and 5.207 in February (see a very interesting paper by Dr. Chaplin in Quart. Stat. of Pal. Explor. Fund, January, 1883). For 1876-77 we have these startling figures: mean for December, .490; for January, 1.595; for February, 8.750, and, similarly, in other years. And so we read: 'Good the year in which Tebheth (December) is without rain' (Taan. 6 b). Those who have copied Lightfoot's quotations about the flocks not lying out during the winter months ought, at least, to have known that the reference in the Talmudic passages is expressly to the flocks which pastured in 'the wilderness'.
But even so, the statement, as so many others of the kind, is not accurate. For, in the Talmud two opinions are expressed. According to one, the 'Midbariyoth,' or 'animals of the wilderness,' are those which go to the open at the Passovertime, and return at the first rains (about November); while, on the other hand, Rabbi maintains, and, as it seems, more authoritatively, that the wilderness-flocks remain in the open alike in the hottest days and in the rainy season, i.e. all the year round (Bezah 40 a). Comp. also Tosephta Bezah iv. 6. A somewhat different explanation is given in Jer. Bezah 63 b.] Thus, Jewish tradition in some dim manner apprehended the first revelation of the Messiah from that Migdal Eder, where shepherds watched the Temple-flocks all the year round. Of the deep symbolic significance of such a coincidence, it is needless to speak.
Wow, you really aren't good at coming up with comparative examples. The above is nothing similar to the two examples we are discussing. I've given you enough to go on but you claimed you have already studied this thoroughly so fine, your mind is made up which is what I earlier stated. You telegraph it.
Wrong! A perfect example, secular society took something from Christianity and twisted it to their own purposes, just as they have done with Christmas and Resurrection Sunday.
You have given me nothing but the same old empty claims and assertions I have been dealing with here for over a decade. Do a search on "Easter pagan" and see how many of my posts you see. Here is a link to one from 2004 and another further down the same page.
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/christmas-is-a-pagan-celebration.1146620/page-4#post-10845081
