The New Covenant and Daniels 70th week...

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YesNotrash,

You can't be for real and conveying subliminal messages in your spelling.

What is your motive?


The Cyrus the Great Cylinder

The first known Charter of Rights of Nations, 539 BCE.
Edited by: Shapour Ghasemi - See more at:

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/cyrus/cyrus_charter.php

The spelling mistakes are unintentional due to being on a mobile phone.

The rebuttal to Cyrus decree being 536 was just posted. In order to refute it you have to show where they considered the information and refuted it.
 
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Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Man, no wonder you have problems understanding the bible. Ya can't even get one verse straight.

BAB2, this passage is about people: the Israelites, not the covenant. The word "them" implies people. If God was referring to His commandments, the bible would use the word "it" in place of "them."

It would read like this: because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded "it" not,

Read other translations, it's obvious God was talking about the Israelites, not His covenant.

Hebrews 8:9 (ESV) not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.

Hebrews 8:9 (GNT) It will not be like the covenant that I made with their ancestors on the day I took them by the hand and led them out of Egypt. They were not faithful to the covenant I made with them, and so I paid no attention to them.

Hebrews 8:9 (GW) It will not be like the promise that I made to their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of Egypt. They rejected that promise, so I ignored them, says the Lord.

Hebrews 8:9 (NCV) It will not be like the agreement I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to bring them out of Egypt. But they broke that agreement, and I turned away from them, says the Lord.

Hebrews 8:9 (NIV) It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.

Hebrews 8:9 (NLT) This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of the land of Egypt. They did not remain faithful to my covenant, so I turned my back on them, says the LORD.









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Correct but the Israelites hasn't submitted to God in obedience yet nor has all of Israel been completely regathered. The Israelites are still following the Jewish laws established in the torah, the rabbinical laws and the mitzvot, which includes animal sacrifice. Once a new temple is built, sacrifices would resume and the teachings of preterism would be exposed as a form of mythology having never been fulfilled.

Btw, there's no Gen 59:1-10.

Well that's not entirely true. The covenant with Noah has nothing to do with Daniel 9:27 unless you're arguing about the genealogy of Noah. I don't see the connection between Noah and the redemption of the Jewish people in the prophecy of Daniel.

Now would you be so kind and see if you can interpet what Eb said in the post below and how all he wrote relates to Daniel 9:24? I don't see the connect. Maybe it's my non-preterist mindse

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Ps3704,
Paul preached to the northern tribes. MANY believed as was prophecied of the covt in Dan 9:26 & 27. "Gentiles" includes tge nations and tribes intermarried in the nations as well as the samaratains.

The reference is Gen 49:1-10, not 59. My mistake. It prophecied the end of the sons of Israel at the time of the coming of Shiloh. Its purposes were to help confirm messiah who came through the tribe of judah. The geneologies were destroyed in 70 AD and any remaining testimony would have been destroyed again in 132-135 AD.

The new covt people are the ones redeemed from out of the mosaic covt and out of paganism.

See Is 54 & Ez 14 (or 13) for just a few points to relate the saving of the new covt people from the mosaic covt law.

Noah would have been among those who had 'called upon the GOOD name of the lord" and had placed faith in the coming of the seed promised to mankind through Eve.

The flood removed the curse which had been placed on the earth outside the garden. (Gen 5:29). The less productive environment was already there due to it being watered only by dew and not springs & rivers.

The flood of the roman soldiers removed the curse of the law of moses to and for those who left that way and nation for the freedom of the new covt. Daniel confessed this curse in the prayer of ch 9. In the end of rev it says that there is no more curse. This word has special reference to the curse of animal sacrifice.

Havn't you heard that "everythings better when wet" as described in the song "Jungle love" by Steve Miller Band?

We if the "church" hace been indoctrinated and taught to believe that the new covt includes the rituals of baptism/communion plus the instructions and commands of Paul.

But John said that Grace & truth came by Jesus. Paul was just commenting and encouraging his first century believers about the prophecies concerning the first century post christ generation.

The primary law of the new covt is john 6:28,29 as affirmed by Paul in Rom 3:27-31 & John in 1 JOHN 3:21-23. The context of John 6 is to ingest his truths as the "manna" of the new covt.
 
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The spelling mistakes are unintentional due to being on a mobile phone.

The rebuttal to Cyrus decree being 536 was just posted. In order to refute it you have to show where they considered the information and refuted it.
Why did I waste my time posting the link to Cyrus' Great Cylinder?
 
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Ps3704,
Paul preached to the northern tribes. MANY believed as was prophecied of the covt in Dan 9:26 & 27. "Gentiles" includes tge nations and tribes intermarried in the nations as well as the samaratains.

Not,

You do know Paul lived in the first century while the northern tribes were scattered 700 years prior to the time Paul was born and has not yet been gathered, right?

But you're more than welcome to dig up scriptures showing the northern tribe return to Israel prior to Paul's lifetime. Actually, please provide scriptures.







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Hebrews 8:13

(ASV) In that he saith, A new covenant he hath made the first old. But that which is becoming old and waxeth aged is nigh unto vanishing away.

(CJB) By using the term, "new," he has made the first covenant "old"; and something being made old, something in the process of aging, is on its way to vanishing altogether.

(ESV) In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

(Geneva) In that he saith a new Testament, he hath abrogate the olde: nowe that which is disanulled and waxed olde, is ready to vanish away.

(GNB) By speaking of a new covenant, God has made the first one old; and anything that becomes old and worn out will soon disappear.


(GW) God made this new promise and showed that the first promise was outdated. What is outdated and aging will soon disappear.

(KJV) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

(NKJV) In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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Why did I waste my time posting the link to Cyrus' Great Cylinder?
I I don't know. You act as though the scroll had 536 B.C inscribed on it or something.

The people who commented on the scroll a.d dated his reign at 536 B.C. based that date on Ptolemys supposed "cannon".

Ptolemys Cannon is what Antsey and Mauro found discrepencies with.

So I don't know really why you just repeated what you had said concerning his date of rule.

Try again.
 
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You do know Paul lived in the first century while the northern tribes were scattered 700 years prior to the time Paul was born and has not yet been gathered, right?

But you're more than welcome to dig up scriptures showing the northern tribe return to Israel prior to Paul's lifetime. Actually, please provide scriptures.







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Well, Paul preached to thejew first; then the gentile (tribes & nation) then greek & barbarian.. Gentile is different than greek.

The tribes of Israel were considered gentile to the tribes of judah. They were the "not a people" of Hosea 1 & 2.

Secondly, for further confirmation, who didJames address his letter?
 
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They rejected Christ. How does this prove Daniel's 70th week was completed in 70 AD?
Keep in mind I have NEVER said Daniel's 70th week happened in 70 AD. You cannot find anywhere I said that. As I read scripture the 70th week ends with the stoning of Stephen. It is after Stephen was stoned that God scattered the church in Jerusalem, with the exception of the apostles, as Acts 8:1-3 points out. Jesus dies on the cross in the middle of the 70th week.
You also need descendants from all 12 sons of Jacob for all of Israel to be saved. They haven't been gathered yet for 2600 years. It's utterly impossible to complete Daniel's 70th in the first century without Christ and the 144,000 in Israel at the same time.

Daniel 9:24 could not have be completed if Romans 11:26-27 is still pending.

Daniel 9:24
“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,

To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.


Romans 11:26-29
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake,
but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Here you're imposing on the passage because Romans 11 NEVER even alludes to Daniel 9:24. In Romans 11 the apostle Paul is addressing the fact that God has not rejected Israel. However the passage goes on to show how Israel is not only those who are of Israel. You cannot read Romans 11 leaving Romans 4:1-12 nor Romans 9:6-8.!

To do so is to depart from the apostle Paul's teaching that God's blessing is on the circumcised and the uncircumcised in Romans 4...as well as Romans 9:6-8 declaring they are not all Israel that are descended from Israel. You've already missed the apostle's point, which he clarifies using the metaphor of a wild olive tree and a natural olive tree being grafted together in Romans 11:11-24. The passage is making the point that Paul consistently makes that in Christ there is NO DIFFERENCE in Jew or Gentile...and you're trying to say there is.​

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Just an off topic but did you know John Calvin actually thought the election in Romans 11:28 are those predestined by God before creation under his own doctrine of Unconditional Election?

He was absolutely clueless and didn't realized they are in reference to Jacob's descendants: 144,000..
John Calvin was on point totally. The one who is clueless is you. Every Christian is elect! The word "elect" simply means "chosen".

Just to show you this, Paul in Ephesians 1:3-4 makes the point as Paul addresses the Ephesian saints:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.

To be CHOSEN by God BEFORE the foundation of the world is to be elect just as is stated in Romans 8:28-39.

Paul is consistent, you are not consistent with the apostle!

As for Calvin, have you even read what he says about election, or are you parroting something you've been taught?

This is a link to Calvin's commentary on Romans 8. Perhaps you can show where he's wrong or says what you think he said:
http://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cal/view.cgi?bk=44&ch=8


Getting to the question I asked, which you haven't answered I ask again:

The 70 weeks (which is weeks of years), have been decreed for Daniel's people. Daniel people are the Jews. What transgression do you think the Jews have committed that is greater than the crucifixion of Christ?

Can you answer that?
 
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As I read scripture the 70th week ends with the stoning of Stephen. It is after Stephen was stoned that God scattered the church in Jerusalem, with the exception of the apostles, as Acts 8:1-3 points out. Jesus dies on the cross in the middle of the 70th week
How do you manage to equate the Abomination of Desolation(middle of 70th week) with the crucifixion of Christ?

 
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They claim the 70th week of Daniel lies in the future and is a time when God will go back to dealing with Israel
It's not a matter of some claiming this and others claiming that. Scripture tells us plainly that after the fullness of the Gentiles is completed (in relation to the Church) a Deliverer will come out of Zion to deliver Israel and the Jews, "and so all Israel shall be saved" (Rom 11:25,26). And Christ told us that the Abomination of Desolation would be a future event which would the trigger the Great Tribulation -- a period which has never occurred and will never occur again (Matthew 24).
 
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How do you manage to equate the Abomination of Desolation(middle of 70th week) with the crucifixion of Christ?

I don't. The AOD has to do with Jerusalem being destroyed, not the 70 weeks. The six things stated in Daniel 9:24 has nothing to do with the AOD.
 
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It's not a matter of some claiming this and others claiming that. Scripture tells us plainly that after the fullness of the Gentiles is completed (in relation to the Church) a Deliverer will come out of Zion to deliver Israel and the Jews, "and so all Israel shall be saved" (Rom 11:25,26). And Christ told us that the Abomination of Desolation would be a future event which would the trigger the Great Tribulation -- a period which has never occurred and will never occur again (Matthew 24).

You are changing the word "so", which is an adverb of manner, to the word "then", which is an adverb of time, in Romans 11:26.
Changing the interpretation of this one word completely changes the meaning of the passage.

The covenant found at the end of Romans chapter 11 is the New Covenant "now" in effect in Hebrews 8:6.

Christ, the Deliverer, came almost 2,000 years ago.

It is finished. There is no such thing as Bloodline Salvation. God is not a respecter of Persons. Christ broke down the middle wall of separation. Some of us are trying to rebuild it.

The Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Christ in the Olivet Discourse occurred during the time of 66-70 AD.

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Revealing the Abomination of Desolation in the Parallel Gospels:


During the time of Christ, the Jews celebrated Hanukka.




Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

He was well aware of the first occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the temple, when Antiochus Epiphanes set up a statue of Zeus (He had previously claimed he was Zeus) in the temple and had a pig slaughtered on the altar, during 167 BC.


Hanukkah celebrates the cleansing and rededication of the temple which occurred three years after the abomination of desolation by Antiochus in 167 BC.


Therefore, Christ was predicting a second occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the Olivet Discourse.


Several events could be a possible desecration of the temple during 70 AD. The Roman standards were posted at the temple site. Sacrifices were made to Titus at the temple site. Also, the behavior of the zealots within the temple itself during the siege is regarded by many as a desecration of the temple.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh(near).
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.


Luke’s account above clearly states that the desolation would be near the time that Jerusalem was surrounded by armies. We know Luke 21:20 is related to Matthew 24:15, because the same warning to flee is found in the next verse.


We know the early Christians did flee from Jerusalem before the final siege.







Lets take a look at the word “compass” in Luke's account...


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

(Compare this to the reference in Luke chapter 19 about being surrounded and having a trench made around them.)


(Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,


Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.)


(The Jewish leadership should have known the time of His visitation, because it was foretold by the angel Gabriel in the Book of Daniel. There was no excuse for them not knowing He was the Messiah. We also find a reference here to the temple being destroyed. This passage clearly connects the events of 70 AD to Jerusalem being surrounded. In the KJV the word "compass" is used in both passages.)


Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.


Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.


Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.


(Compare this verse to what Jesus said to the women crying while he was going to be crucified. Both passages contain a reference to nursing mothers.)


(Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.


Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.)


(According to the writings of Josephus, during the siege of 70 AD some mothers ate their own children.)


Almost all scholars, including John Darby, agreed that the next verse is about the siege of 70 AD.


Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (This last verse contains a reference to a time span that would occur before the fulfillment of the next verse. The time of the Gentiles will not end until the future Second Coming of Christ.)



 
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Not,

You do know Paul lived in the first century while the northern tribes were scattered 700 years prior to the time Paul was born and has not yet been gathered, right?

But you're more than welcome to dig up scriptures showing the northern tribe return to Israel prior to Paul's lifetime. Actually, please provide scriptures.
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Acts 2:5,9-11, 22 & 36

Peter addressed the men of Judea (the mockers) first in vs 13 & 14 and then the men of Israel in vs 22 & 36.

Acts 26:6,7
Acts 28:20

James 1:1


It was prophesied that all Israel would return from in Ez 36:10 but it was from the time context of the Assyrian dispersion and babylon, not from after the time of their latter end of 70 & 135 AD. It was not prophecied that they would return to their tribal land allotments.

The Samaratains were israelites mixed and interbred with assyrians and other Israelites had interbred with greek/italian and other meditereanean peoples. Even some of those counted as having returned from Babylon couldn't verify their geneologies according to Ezra & Nehemiah.

The tribes of Benjamin & Levi and possibly Reuben through Nebo were mentioned with those of Judah.

In Hosea 2:23 God said that he would sow the land. And with the dispersion of the Israelites, the lands to where they went was "sown" with the heritage and prophecies of the Israelites.

It was there outside the land of the mosaic covt where they who had been called not my people would be called the people of the living God. Hosea 1:10,11.

They would join with those coming up out of the land of judea under the one headship of Christ and the new words of the new covt. Jesus had told those in Judea to flee and told those outside not to enter in.

If those don't satisfy some claims that "all Israel" hadn't returned, since the tribe of Judah was decimated in 70 AD, then the repopulation to effect 550,000 plus that were killed in 135 AD (with similar numbers of Roman loses) would have logically had to be a majority of Israelites from other lands who had Israeli and mixed heritage.

This in fact was what was prophecied in Is 66:19-21.
 
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Man, no wonder you have problems understanding the bible. Ya can't even get one verse straight.

BAB2, this passage is about people: the Israelites, not the covenant. The word "them" implies people. If God was referring to His commandments, the bible would use the word "it" in place of "them."

It would read like this: because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded "it" not,

Read other translations, it's obvious God was talking about the Israelites, not His covenant.

Hebrews 8:9 (ESV) not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.

Hebrews 8:9 (GNT) It will not be like the covenant that I made with their ancestors on the day I took them by the hand and led them out of Egypt. They were not faithful to the covenant I made with them, and so I paid no attention to them.
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The whole book of deuteronomy is the old covt along with relared statutes and commands from Exodus , Leviticus & numbers. (deut 29:1; 4:1-8).

The religious entity became seperate by tge passover in Egypt but tge civil nation began 40 yrs later on the first of the 11th month by crossing Jordan. (Deut 29:1,1:3, 26:18, 27:1-10, 28:1)

It included prophecies of the eventual latter end (deut 31:29, 32:20,29) and utter destruction (4:25,26 & 8:19,20) which was to be administered at the time of the new covt and through the new prophet against those who would_not hear his good words of freedom and life and would persecute those who did. Deut 18:15-22, Acts 3:22-24; 1Pet 1:16-19; deut 32:19-21, Is 59:21,-23.


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Well, Paul preached to thejew first; then the gentile (tribes & nation) then greek & barbarian.. Gentile is different than greek.

The tribes of Israel were considered gentile to the tribes of judah. They were the "not a people" of Hosea 1 & 2.

Secondly, for further confirmation, who didJames address his letter?

Not,

I can tell you don't know much about the history of the Jewish people. Go do some study and know what tribe went where. Who was in Israel during the first century, who was not. Plus the book of Hosea are prophecies about the future restoration of both houses reuniting together during the tribulation.


Hosea 3:4-5
4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They shall fear the Lord and His goodness in the latter days.

Hosea 1:11
Then the children of Judah and the children of Israel
Shall be gathered together,
And appoint for themselves one head;
And they shall come up out of the land,
For great will be the day of Jezreel!






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Acts 2:5,9-11, 22 & 36

Peter addressed the men of Judea (the mockers) first in vs 13 & 14 and then the men of Israel in vs 22 & 36.

Acts 26:6,7
Acts 28:20

James 1:1

It was prophesied that all Israel would return from in Ez 36:10 but it was from the time context of the Assyrian dispersion and babylon, not from after the time of their latter end of 70 & 135 AD. It was not prophecied that they would return to their tribal land allotments.

The Samaratains were israelites mixed and interbred with assyrians and other Israelites had interbred with greek/italian and other meditereanean peoples. Even some of those counted as having returned from Babylon couldn't verify their geneologies according to Ezra & Nehemiah.

There is no book of Ez 36:10. Ezra is only 10 chapters and not a prophetic book. The first 16 books are historic accounts of the Jewish people. The last 16 books of the old testament are prophetic books of their future with some on the first coming of Christ. It's why you can't find the information you're looking for, you're looking at the wrong place.


In Hosea 2:23 God said that he would sow the land. And with the dispersion of the Israelites, the lands to where they went was "sown" with the heritage and prophecies of the Israelites.

It was there outside the land of the mosaic covt where they who had been called not my people would be called the people of the living God. Hosea 1:10,11.

They would join with those coming up out of the land of judea under the one headship of Christ and the new words of the new covt. Jesus had told those in Judea to flee and told those outside not to enter in.

If those don't satisfy some claims that "all Israel" hadn't returned, since the tribe of Judah was decimated in 70 AD, then the repopulation to effect 550,000 plus that were killed in 135 AD (with similar numbers of Roman loses) would have logically had to be a majority of Israelites from other lands who had Israeli and mixed heritage.

This in fact was what was prophecied in Is 66:19-21.

No, it only satisfy your mistaken understand of Hosea. None of that happened in the first century because the entire book of Hosea is prophetic on the end days.

Hosea 3:4-5
4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their Godand David their king. They shall fear the Lord and His goodness in the latter days.

Hosea 1:11
Then the children of Judah and the children of Israel
Shall be gathered together,
And appoint for themselves one head;
And they shall come up out of the land,
For great will be the day of Jezreel!
 
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And He shall give you the desires of your heart.
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The whole book of deuteronomy is the old covt along with relared statutes and commands from Exodus , Leviticus & numbers. (deut 29:1; 4:1-8).

The religious entity became seperate by tge passover in Egypt but tge civil nation began 40 yrs later on the first of the 11th month by crossing Jordan. (Deut 29:1,1:3, 26:18, 27:1-10, 28:1)

It included prophecies of the eventual latter end (deut 31:29, 32:20,29) and utter destruction (4:25,26 & 8:19,20) which was to be administered at the time of the new covt and through the new prophet against those who would_not hear his good words of freedom and life and would persecute those who did. Deut 18:15-22, Acts 3:22-24; 1Pet 1:16-19; deut 32:19-21, Is 59:21,-23.


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Did you realized the post you quoted was a discussion on the book of Hebrews. Do you see anything there on Deuteronomy? Major :doh::doh::doh:

Are you a preterist by chance? No offense but you're just getting it all wrong in all your posts.
 
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As I read scripture the 70th week ends with the stoning of Stephen. It is after Stephen was stoned that God scattered the church in Jerusalem, with the exception of the apostles, as Acts 8:1-3 points out. Jesus dies on the cross in the middle of the 70th week.

Congratulations Eb. Not one single sentence here is correct. Everything you wrote is erroneous. Now show me how all that fulfilled Daniel 9:24.

Daniel 9:24 GNT
“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.


How did sin come to an end when they stoned Stephen? How did they anoint the Most Holy at the end of the 70th week when He already died on the cross in the middle of the week?


Here you're imposing on the passage because Romans 11 NEVER even alludes to Daniel 9:24. In Romans 11 the apostle Paul is addressing the fact that God has not rejected Israel. However the passage goes on to show how Israel is not only those who are of Israel. You cannot read Romans 11 leaving Romans 4:1-12 nor Romans 9:6-8.!

Eb,

Have you figured out yet that Daniel 9:24 cannot be completed unless Romans 11 is fulfilled. Did you realized they're both about the Jewish people: descendants of Jacob? Romans 4:1-12 is about Abraham. Guess what century Abraham lived in? Did Abraham lived before or after Daniel wrote the prophecies of the 70th week?

You know prophecy is about the future while history is about the past right? ROFL! C'mon Eb, wake up!
John Calvin was on point totally. The one who is clueless is you. Every Christian is elect! The word "elect" simply means "chosen".

To be CHOSEN by God BEFORE the foundation of the world is to be elect just as is stated in Romans 8:28-39.


You're way off the mark, thy clueless one. "Many are called, but few are CHOSEN" Matthew 25:14. Not every Christian is chosen.

Romans 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

Those chosen are the ones who love God. Not every Christian is an elect. Does every Christian obey Christ and do His work in their daily lives? Yeah those lukewarm Christians are definite elects, as well as those professing Christians. The term elect primarily refers to the 144,000 who are not yet Christians. They are the elect because they are chosen and sealed from amongst the descendant of Jacob, those promised by God who will be saved. Those are His elects, not all Christians. Not all Christian will go to heaven during the tribulation.

Paul is consistent, you are not consistent with the apostle!

As for Calvin, have you even read what he says about election, or are you parroting something you've been taught?

This is a link to Calvin's commentary on Romans 8. Perhaps you can show where he's wrong or says what you think he said:
http://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cal/view.cgi?bk=44&ch=8

Eb,

Guess what? Your link backfired. It confirmed my statement above. Those chosen before the foundation of the world are those who loves God. Even John Calvin whom I disagree agrees with me.

Even to them who according to his purpose, etc. This clause seems to have been added as a modification, lest any one should think that the faithful, because they love God, obtain by their own merit the advantage of deriving such fruit from their adversities. We indeed know that when salvation is the subject, men are disposed to begin with themselves, and to imagine certain preparations by which they would anticipate the favor of God. Hence Paul teaches us, that those whom he had spoken of as loving God, had been previously chosen by him.

LOL. Got any more links?








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