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I would expect the Jesus in that relationship isn't the one I'm familiar with.
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Then let's disregard the "heretical notions". There are Christians who believe Jesus was physically resurrected and those who don't. There are Christians who believe Jesus was a blue eyed, blond haired white guy, and those who think he was black. So not all Christians believe the same details about Jesus, but they still refer to the same figure in the Holy Bible as their lord and savior. So...heaven? Saved? Yes or no?
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seekingsolace
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I would like to keep the 'heretical notions' in discussion. They are important to discerning if their 'Lord' is our Lord.
Those who don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus are not Christians. Whether Jesus was white or black is inconsequential.
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Is that because you prefer to believe they are not saved, and the only way to maintain that belief is to say they have the wrong Jesus?
It's the same Jesus as described in the Holy Bible. Their belief is still referencing the same entity that you are, but some details might vary. Now, Christians from all different denomination have varying beliefs regarding the details about the Jesus of the Bible. If these detail differences affect access to heaven, then you're answer is "No, belief in the Jesus of the Bible as lord and savior is not sufficient".
Christians love to preach but as soon as you start asking questions, it's like pulling teeth.
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Better read Paul ...
(1 Cor 15)
12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
Anyone at CF who denies the ressurrection is classified as a non Christian.
Statement of faith....
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
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seekingsolace
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I would like everyone to be saved. It's not about what I want however.
Is that your opinion? From what I've read it certainly doesn't sound like the same as ours.
No they don't. We do not (as far as I am aware) consider persons Christians on these forums if they do not adhere to the Nicene Creed.
This is a religion, don't expect agreement on very important points by providing vague statements. Perhaps you expect them to answer how you would like.
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John 20:27-28
Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
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If this is true then verse 4 of 1 Cor 15 must also be true "that he was buried, that he was raiseddrstevej said:
on the third according to the Scriptures," Where do the scriptures say he was to be raised on the third day?
Is this the same jesus who can materialise in closed rooms and not be recognised in the flesh walking along roads?drstevej said:
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The actual theology is that everyone is the literal spirit offspring of God, with Jesus being our Elder Brother and Lucifer being another offspring as well.
Most critics of the church deliberately present a warped version of this concept for the sake of shock value.
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Yes, it is Mormon view is that Satan and Jesus are brothers.
But did you know that Mormons think Elvis and Jesus brothers? And that Mother Teresa and Satan are siblings? And that Gandhi and Hitler are brothers? And you and that weird cat-lady down the street at siblings!
It's a very different picture when you look at the whole of it.
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Which is why the mormon replacement theology doesn't sit well with orthodox Christianity. Jesus was not created, nor does he have any literal spiritual brothers. Angels, including Satan and his followers, and humans are created beings.
It's a very different picture when you look at the Bible only.
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