The New Covenant and Daniels 70th week...

Why does this guy continue to ignore the grammatical facts?

Daniel says after the 69th week the wall would be rebuilt and the Anointed One cut off. The wall was rebuilt in 445bc, 94yrs post Cyrus' decree!

Plus, four hundred and ninety yrs from Cyrus' decree does not add up to 33ad because Cyrus' decree was in 539bc.

So why does he continue to ignore the facts?

precepts said:

Why does this guy continue to ignore the grammatical facts?

Daniel says after the 69th week the wall would be rebuilt and the Anointed One cut off. The wall was rebuilt in 445bc, 94yrs post Cyrus' decree!

Plus, four hundred and ninety yrs from Cyrus' decree does not add up to 33ad because Cyrus' decree was in 539bc.

So why does he continue to ignore the facts?

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Start with section IV chapt 24 and continue to the end.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1913_anstey_romance.html

I don't see any section IV, chapter 24.

Try using find on page;
"Chapter xxIV"

BABerean2 said:

Daniel 9:27 is the Blood Covenant of Christ.

Daniel 9:27

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
(From the 1599 Geneva Bible)

Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

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It's not BAB2. Daniel 9:27 is about the days of Noah. I can prove it using your method of researching scriptures.

Drum roll please:
In Genesis 6:18, God established a covenant with Noah and with many: his wife, sons and their wives.

In Genesis 7:14, God fulfilled the one week when He delayed the rain for 7 days.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



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Genesis 6:18
But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

Genesis 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Ta Da!
I'm taking a /bow. Thank you, thank you! Imma gud BAB2 impersonator.





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Notrash said:

Try using find on page;
"Chapter xxIV"

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There is no "find" on the page. Why don't you just say what you want to say?

precepts said:

There is no "find" on the page. Why don't you just say what you want to say?

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I don't agree with every perspective of this writer, but he shows how Ptolemy's cannon (which most use to arrive at these dates) is off by about 80 yrs and how Cyruses decree is mentioned in the begining of Ezra AND how 483 yrs afterward comes close to 30 AD.

He wrongly (IMO) exalts the mazoretic texts over the septuigent for the earlier pre diluvian and pre patriarchal dates , while the apostles and the early church fathers used those texts.

And he (like a futurist) ends the 483 yrs at the crucifiction rather than Jesus baptism. Philip Mauro corrects even this error.

He (Antsey) is a chilaist and in 1913 figured tge lords return after the 6th millenium which in his reconing using the mazoretic dates would come in @ 1930. The ECFs (early church fathers) using the septuigent reckoned the end of the 6th millenium to occur in @ 475 AD. The dates of the septuigent differ from the mazoretic mostly in the pre mosaic and pre diluvian era.

A better read of the impact of the errors of ptolemy and other early chronologers is by Philip Mauro and his work "The wonders of bible chronology". He refers to Antseys work a lot. I don't know if they collaborated on this work and together corrected a few errors or if Mauro lists him as co-author since he relied heavily on his work.

483 yrs ended with the voice of God being heard from heaven again at his baptism. The text of Daniel says 483 yrs UNTIL messiah the Prince, not 483 yrs until his being cut off. His being cut off (life thought to be shortened) was to come (sometime) after 483 yrs, not at the end of the 69th yr as you and many others misread. It was to come obviously at some point in the 70th week. Vs 27 then gives added information by stating that in the midst of the (70th) week he would CAUSE the sacrifice and oblation to cease. And again, its a common christian teaching that the foretyping sacrifices from Abel onward especially those of the mosaic covt levites pointed in picture to something God/Christ would do & be. And that heir foreimage was fulfilled by him during the crucifiction, thus CAUSING the end of their foretyping temporary service. And as noted before, one of the major, obvious points of Hebrews is how Christ and his blood would effect the the end of the (then still being performed) sacrifice and oblation after giving the people of Israel, etc a whole generations time period to hear and leave the nation and its sacrifices in faith in Jesus' authority AND BEFORE the lives of the persistent disbelievers and disobedient to truth,grace, life & freedom in Christ would have their lives demanded of them as prophecied in deut 18:15-19 as also affirmed and foretold by Peter in Acts 3:22-24 and 2 Peter 1:16-19.

So authoritative is the goodness of life and the creator that to continue to sacrifice meant personal death.

Jesus affirmed his identity as MESSIAH immediately after this to the woman at the well; his disciples and indirectly to the leaders of Israel by reading Is 61which spoke of his releasing captives which was the meaning of Cyrus' name.

The word/name "messiah" or "annointed" is only used of 2 people; Jesus and Cyrus.

My thing is history, and history records Cyrus' decree based on historical evidence to be 539bc. Yours and Denominational Christianity's stumbling block is not acknowledging the anointing of the son of the high priest Josedech, Joshua (Jesus/Yahsha), as king and high priest post the Babylonian captivity.

Eze 21:25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity [shall have] an end,
Eze 21:26 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this [shall] not [be] the same: exalt [him that is] low, and abase [him that is] high.
Eze 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no [more], until he come whose right it is; and I will give it [him].

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Note the clause "when iniquity [shall have] an end." It is the same reference made in the 70wks prophecy: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness...

The parable of the two eagles and the cedar branch:

Eze 17:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
Eze 17:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:
Eze 17:4 He cropped off the top of his young twigs, and carried it into a land of traffick; he set it in a city of merchants.

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The branch is the last Jewish king Zedek--h, and the two eagles are Nebuchadnezzar and the King of Egypt.

Eze 17:22 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set [it]; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant [it] upon an high mountain and eminent:
Eze 17:23 In the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell.
Eze 17:24 And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done [it].

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Denominal Christianity denies the fact of God's planting post Babylon!


Note these passages:

Lam 4:19 Our persecutors are swifter than the eagles of the heaven: they pursued us upon the mountains, they laid wait for us in the wilderness.
Lam 4:20 The breath of our nostrils, the anointed of the LORD, was taken in their pits, of whom we said, Under his shadow we shall live among the heathen.

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Note the eagles and under the wings of the "breath of our nostrils" which is Christ, the anointed of the Lord! "Under His shadow we shall live among the heathen." Among the who? Among the Babylonians. Check the context.

Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

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The north country is Babylon!

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Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

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The nail in the coffin:

Zec 6:9 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Zec 6:10 Take of [them of] the captivity, [even] of Heldai, of Tobijah, and of Jedaiah, which are come from Babylon, and come thou the same day, and go into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah;
Zec 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set [them] upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;
Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name [is] The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
Zec 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

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This is post Babylon!


Other verses that convey the same message of Christ the branch:

Psa 80:15 And the vineyard which thy right hand hath planted, and the branch [that] thou madest strong for thyself.

Isa 4:2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth [shall be] excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

Psa 87:4 I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this [man] was born there.
Psa 87:5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.
Psa 87:6 The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, [that] this [man] was born there. Selah.
Psa 87:7 As well the singers as the players on instruments [shall be there]: all my springs [are] in thee.

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The stone the builders of denominational Christianity refused is the head cornerstone! The singers and players of instruments are the 144,000 that follow Christ in Revelation. These are the sons of Levi separated and sealed for this service by King David in 1 Chr. 25. They were sealed during Daniel's 70 wks prophecy at the coronation of Joshua the son of Josedech crowned king and high priest! This is the vision sealed during the 70 wks prophecy and the rebuilding of the temple, the vision of the 144,000 virgins that follow Christ where ever he goes, arrayed in white linen in Revelation!

The Levites, Christ's inheritance, is also refused by the builders, but that's another topic for another time. These Levites have been omitted from Exodus to present to hide the true identity of Joshua the son of Josedech!

Christ himself would establish Jerusalem after Babylon and would return to His temple in the latter days!

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

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Who have eyes to see, let them see, and who have ears to hear, let them hear!

Hsa 14:5 I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
Hsa 14:6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.
Hsa 14:7 They that dwell under his shadow shall return; they shall revive [as] the corn, and grow as the vine: the scent thereof [shall be] as the wine of Lebanon.

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Here endeth the lesson!

Psalm3704 said:

It's not BAB2. Daniel 9:27 is about the days of Noah. I can prove it using your method of researching scriptures....

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You couldn't be more wrong on this passage! Daniel 9:24-26 tells you everything that is incorporated in the 70 weeks...and Christ fulfilled every one of them!!!

The problem is, if you don't listen to the New Testament...you miss how Christ accomplished it.

ebedmelech said:

You couldn't be more wrong on this passage! Daniel 9:24-26 tells you everything that is incorporated in the 70 weeks...and Christ fulfilled every one of them!!!

The problem is, if you don't listen to the New Testament...you miss how Christ accomplished it.

for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

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Eb, are you still sour from your surgery down there that you forgot to post a scripture to defend your rubbish? Not even an explanation of how Christ accomplished it?


As far as I see it, Romans 11:26-27 is still future till Christ returns. So Eb, you're wrong, Period! And do you know why you're wrong Eb? Your preterist thinking has you believing Christ already returned in 70 AD.








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Precepts; thst article and writer (Antsey and mauro) address many of your persepectives. They are not mainline denominational christianity though. Are you judaic?

Antsey brings out for instance that there are at least 3 periods of 70 yrs in effect during these times. Tge ine time of indignation refers to one of these 70's. If your not willing to read or investigate their claims, do.'t expect me to consider or read yours.

Psalm3704 said:

Eb, are you still sour from your surgery down there that you forgot to post a scripture to defend your rubbish? Not even an explanation of how Christ accomplished it?

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I've never had any surgery...so you're mistaken. However if you want proof, I'll give it to you:

Let's start with Daniel 9 24:
24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

There are six points there that Daniel was told would happen in the 70 weeks:

1. "To finish the transgression"...which is accomplished in Israel crucifying their Messiah. Jesus said it on the cross..."IT IS FINISHED"...John 19:30
30 Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

Israel had finished the transgression at that point...it ended the Old Covenant because God left the most holy place right after Jesus gave up His Spirit! Matthew 27:51
51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.

2. "To make and end of sin"

3. "To make atonement for iniquity"

4. "To bring in everlasting righteousness"

Those those three Hebrews makes clear Jesus accomplished...try Hebrews 9:11-14
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

See if you understand that. Christ IS our righteousness! We're also told that in 1 Corinthians 1:30, 31:
30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
31 so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

No Christian is righteous apart from Christ! Ever hear the term "Yahweh Tsikendu"? It means "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS!!!

5. "To seal up vision and prophecy"
Daniel was told to seal up his prophecy by Jesus in Daniel 12:7, who do you think the man dressed in linen is? I know many think it's Gabriel but it's not it's Christ! One can know this from Daniel 10:5!

6. "To Anoint the most holy place"
Christ did this just as the Hebrews 9:12 says:
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

So what you call "rubbish" is what the bible teaches IF read properly.

Psalm3704 said:

Romans 11:26-27 NKJV
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”​

As far as I see it, Romans 11:26-27 is still future till Christ returns. So Eb, you're wrong, Period! And do you know why you're wrong Eb? Your preterist thinking has you believing Christ already returned in 70 AD.

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This would be correct EXCEPT you want to discount what Paul said in Romans 9: 6-8:
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;
7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.”
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

You see...you can't quote Romans 11 discounting what has been said in Romans 4:9-15 and Romans 9:6, 7...as well as the demonstration of the wild and natural olive tree becoming ONE given in Romans 11:17-24!!!

That is how all Israel is saved!!! If you need more...I've got more.

BABerean2 said:

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

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Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Ta Da!


Taking a /bow. Thank you, thank you.








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ebedmelech said:

There are six points there that Daniel was told would happen in the 70 weeks:

1. "To finish the transgression"...which is accomplished in Israel crucifying their Messiah. Jesus said it on the cross..."IT IS FINISHED"...John 19:30
30 Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

Israel had finished the transgression at that point...it ended the Old Covenant because God left the most holy place right after Jesus gave up His Spirit! Matthew 27:51
51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.

2. "To make and end of sin"

3. "To make atonement for iniquity"

4. "To bring in everlasting righteousness"

Those those three Hebrews makes clear Jesus accomplished...try Hebrews 9:11-14
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

See if you understand that. Christ IS our righteousness! We're also told that in 1 Corinthians 1:30, 31:
30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
31 so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

No Christian is righteous apart from Christ! Ever hear the term "Yahweh Tsikendu"? It means "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS!!!

5. "To seal up vision and prophecy"
Daniel was told to seal up his prophecy by Jesus in Daniel 12:7, who do you think the man dressed in linen is? I know many think it's Gabriel but it's not it's Christ! One can know this from Daniel 10:5!

6. "To Anoint the most holy place"
Christ did this just as the Hebrews 9:12 says:
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

So what you call "rubbish" is what the bible teaches IF read properly.


This would be correct EXCEPT you want to discount what Paul said in Romans 9: 6-8:
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;
7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.”
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

You see...you can't quote Romans 11 discounting what has been said in Romans 4:9-15 and Romans 9:6, 7...as well as the demonstration of the wild and natural olive tree becoming ONE given in Romans 11:17-24!!!

That is how all Israel is saved!!! If you need more...I've got more.

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I don't see how any of this is Daniel 9:24, do you? Care to explain?

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Ps 3704;

You are correct that "a covt" was previously foretyped and made through Noah (and Sodom) But its foretypes are fulfilled in Jesus coming and the attatched end of the mosaic covt.

Dan 9:26 or 27 says that the end of the city/temple would be as if a flood went over it. Is 59 (from where Rom 11:26 is quoted) repeats this saying; when the enemy comes in like a flood, I will raise up a standard against him.

The desolation would also use fire as prophecied through Sodoms example, deut 32 and elsewhere. The romans practiced a scorched earth program where theyburned the cities after slaughtering the inhabitants.

So "my covt to Noah and a covt in Dan 9:26/27 are further developments of the seed covt to all humanity of the visitation of the creator given concerning Eve. Is 59:5 even alludes to t tge time of this fulfillment!!!

Gen 12 & 15 contain the same "my covt" and also refer to expansion and development of aspects of the seed promised to mankind. This covt, fulfilled in Christ is the only covt ever eternally in effect now.

So how did the Abrahamic covt foretype Christ.

1. the law of justification by faith that God would come.

2. The miraculous birth with Isaac being a forerunner/foretype of Christ the miraculously born son and of his being offered as a sacrifice.

3. Compare the birth/impregnation concerning John the Baptist with that of Isaac.
John was tge second forerunner of this typology of a miraculous birth in later age.

Noah was the son to second group of men with similar names in the pre diluvian era. Methusalal (la) enoch/enos/enoch and LAMECH. Thus the 'rest'; the meaning of Noahs name; would come after a second representation of his foretype, just like the flood of noah removed the curse which God had placed on the earth outside the garden.

Compare what is said about the environment within and without the garden.

ROM 11:26 quoted Is 59 which prophecied the deliverence of the believing group from the judaizers; same as deut 32, and which deliverence was to come through the heads of the leaders of their (jews) enemies..... the romans in deut 32:42.

ct and tge only one in effect now.