I have had several times when I truly believed God was speaking to me. But i am still curious as to how you can know it was God or your own thoughts?
How do you know it points to God? other than comparing it with scripture?
Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. (Romans 12:1-2)
As is plain from these verse, "hearing" the voice of God does not require some ritualistic or ceremonial practice or practices, but rather simply the submission of ourselves wholly to the revealed will of God. There are no other means for determining that you are hearing God's voice than to compare the "words" of the voice to Scripture. If you really want to know what God's will is then you have to endeavor to become comprehensively familiar with His general revelation in Scripture, and understand that special revelation will never contradict general revelation. Think of it, in human terms, like how you would determine if something is or is not from any given human person once it is conveyed to you. For you to distinguish between facts and fictions regarding the deliverances of a person, you must first be familiar with the nature and will of that person as it has already been revealed and made plain to you. After all, how else could you come to reliably know the nature of a person than the means they have provided for communicating themselves? It seems intuitively obvious.
So, to expound on this example, imagine the scenario of a husband and a wife. They have been married for many years, and over that course of time have had many conversations, shared experiences, and observable interactions between themselves and other people that have allowed us to become thoroughly familiar and intimate with their person. One of the qualities that the wife has learned of her husband beyond a shadow of a doubt is his insurmountable faithfulness. Regardless of what anyone else claims, she knows this to be absolutely, immutably true. One day, she hears a rumor from a friend that when her husband was at work she saw him with another woman and it appeared as though he was close and flirting with her from a distance. Automatically, she responds with little more than amusement thinking that this must have been one of his sisters whom he is close to, or simply a mistaken perception or exaggeration on the part of her friend. She knows this must be the case because she knows him. Additionally, on another occasion, she hears from one of her friends that, while they were at a social gathering, her husband was belittling her in a variety of ways to everybody in her absence, even providing some details as to what was spoken. Again, having become comprehensively intimate and familiar with her husband's person over the long course of time they have been married, she is certain that he could not have done this and wouldn't speak in that manner, and that her friend must be jealous of their relationship or motivated by some other malevolent intention and attempting to incite strife between the married couple.
Now if the wife were to have neglected intimacy in any way with her husband over those years and was not attentive to how he speaks, reacts, and generally behaves in any given scenario, she would not have had the confidence she did in any of these situations about the reliability of the claims. I use these examples because they are relatable and are analogous to the deceptions Satan often produces regarding God's intentions and will for us, that God no longer desires or has affection for us; that God surveys our faults and sins and see us as pathetic, intolerable, unlovable, unforgivable. The point is, in short, that if you do not become familiar with the person, will, and nature of God, you will not be sensitive to his voice when He speaks to be able to aptly distinguish between His words and another voice speaking falsely on His behalf.
Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. After the earthquake came a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. (1 Kings 19:11-12)
This is not to say that God never speaks in obvious or dramatic ways (which He unarguably has on many occasions), but that we can't expect that when He speaks it will always be made obvious for all to apprehend. In fact, it is clear from the scriptures that God often intentionally communicates Himself subtly so that He will not be heard or understood by any who do not diligently seek to know Him and His will. Consider the answer to the disciples from Jesus when, "The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving." (Matthew 13:10-14) It is clear, then, that God intends for us to become actively involved in seeking His "face", in knowing Him and His will and demonstrating the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives to rouse a real and genuine desire for all things that are of God. After all, the purpose of our salvation is to bring us into relation and oneness with Him, and their is effort that must be expressed on our behalf in coming to know fully the person of God. It is also explicated in the Scriptures that God's will is often expressed in intentionally subtle ways to ensure any such person who does not seek God in this way will remain ignorant.
I would conclude with a word of caution (perhaps encouragement) to not presume this is the case in every instance in which we are not certain of God's will. In this case, I would refer you to the event in Acts 1: "Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles." (Acts 1:24-26) Obviously, the disciples themselves, despite their very personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the fruitfulness in their lives by the work of the Holy Spirit, did not always apprehend the will of God by a mere "voice", in whatever sense. Sometimes we are required by the circumstances God, in His providence, has lead us towards to trust in Him to lead us rightly in these paths of our lives when we are doing everything in our limited human power, knowledge, and scope of human abilities to glorify Him. If your heart is sincere, God will always speak to you or guide you in the way you should go. "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight." (Proverbs 3:5-6)
I can understand where you are coming from but you are incorrect in saying it is impossible to tell which voice is God's or not, Jesus said it best when he said my sheep know my voice. Of course some ppl have more of an ear to hear God than others for what reason I don't know, But through discernment one can learn to know whose voice is who's, besides God speaks to us in more ways than his voice, sometimes his voice is simply something he places on your heart.I believe that it is not possible to know, which thoughts are from you, and which are from God. The reason for that is the Bible commands us to test everything, and that applies for prophecies too. If it was possible to know exactly, which thoughts are from God and which are from us, the Bible would not command us to test everything, but would show us exactly how to do it.
I think that it is possible that God used our thinking process, and our thoughts, our internal voice, to talk to us. All of us talk to ourselves in our mind, with our thoughts.
So I would suggest, that when we listen to the voice of God, we can just write down every thought, word or image, that comes to our mind, without testing or editing them, while we receive them. We have to write down everything which comes to our minds, and passes through our minds, while we are listening. We are open to EVERY thought, which comes to our mind, we write it down, and test it latter, when we have finished listening to the voice of God. We just monitor our thoughts, words and images which come to our mind and write them down. Write ALL words and images which come to your mind, without judging them. You will edit them latter. Just write them down. All thoughts, about things to do, names of people, whatever comes to your mind.
Not every thought which we receive will be from God, but some can be. We test the thoughts, by the Word of God. Are those thoughts loving, pure, righteous, encouraging, building our faith, peaceful? Then may be from God.
I can understand where you are coming from but you are incorrect in saying it is impossible to tell which voice is God's or not, Jesus said it best when he said my sheep know my voice. Of course some ppl have more of an ear to hear God than others for what reason I don't know, But through discernment one can learn to know whose voice is who's, besides God speaks to us in more ways than his voice, sometimes his voice is simply something he places on your heart.
For instance a lot of times words on placed on my heart and I cannot help but speak them or else I feel like I may burst, at the time I don't think I just do as I feel lead I don't know where these words are coming from but i post them anyways and later on sometimes it turns out what I said is just what someone needed
Hi,
And to plagarize ...., you have spoken well.
LOVE,
Are you jesting about plagiarizing me, or am I being accused of it (forgive the question if it's the former, I have been accused on a handful of occasions, though I try to humbly take it as a compliment of the quality of the answer)?
Are you jesting about plagiarizing me, or am I being accused of it (forgive the question if it's the former, I have been accused on a handful of occasions, though I try to humbly take it as a compliment of the quality of the answer)?
"But i am still curious as to how you can know it was God or your own thoughts?"
To Celticroots: a key to understanding the voice of GOD (DAD) is to hear HIM through the fruit of the SPIRIT. HE is not going to talk like any other SPIRIT but that, and so its a key: "love, joy, peace etc.." see Galatians 5:22-23
"There are several reasons why my posts are accurate."
To 37: another scripture: "knowledge puffs up but LOVE builds up". 1 Corinthians 8:1 Stick to sharing GRACE & really Un-conditional LOVE - because 'it doesn't fail' (its that good!) 1 Corinthians 13
-eric
There are several reasons why my posts are accurate. First, I have studied the Bible as well as philosophy (of a particularly Christian nature, of course) intensely for the last almost 10 years of my life. Immediately upon giving my life to Christ, I was committed to using my natural passions and gifts the LORD has graced me with to fulfill the great commission He assigned us. Those natural passions and gifts were my objective nature and critical thinking skills, both of which drew me irresistibly towards apologetics and the use of uncompromising reason in presenting the Gospel. In my years of study, I have learned to consider every issue comprehensively and detached from any prior personal opinions and feelings regarding the subject I'm invested in attaining knowledge and wisdom. By applying myself this way to the Bible and the use of my rational faculties to consider a variety of related philosophical and theological ideas/propositions, I have effectively removed from myself the filters, or "stumbling blocks," that typically prevent a person from examining an issue thoroughly and absolutely objectively.
Also, I have a specific formula for providing my responses that allow me to be as personally effective as possible to each individual. First, I don't respond to a biblical/theological or philosophical issue I'm not familiar with or have nothing more to offer than opinions or subjective experiences as support of my position. Secondly, I make three considerations prior to responding to any post I'm eligible (by the aforementioned standards) to: 1. What specifically is the person inquiring regarding the issue, and how can I comprehensively and specifically address each aspect of the inquiry to avoid confusion or facilitating further unanswered questions; 2. What background information does the person exhibit they already possess and what, based on this, needs or needs not be said, affirmed, or denied to properly address the issue to accomplish (1); and 3. What is the nature of the inquiry (emotional, intellectual, personal, etc.) and the language used by the person in question.
After all of these considerations, I provide my response and proofread subsequently for spelling or grammatical errors, then consider what can be done in the final analysis to benefit the reader in terms of easing the reading process (such as separating or connecting ideas/paragraphs, altering the colour of some of the sections with scripture to provide a sort of "mental checkpoint" to make longer responses seem less tedious and hard on the eyes).