Why does the earth rotate?

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Our track records speak very differently. You have consistantly denied science and always you have been unable to provide any rational grounds for that denial.
The track record you have thus far displayed on the forum is one of fanatical blind faith in the unproven godless same state past. End of story.
And you don't seem, to understand that what we see elsewhere in the universe is absolutely the same as what we see here.
Not in any way actually. You invent distances and sizes and all sorts of things, and then sit there with a glazed look saying 'how similar to here it looks!'

It's not denial. It is fact. .
Post this fact so we can see it plainly. :) You are funny.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...lted-impact-double-blows-moons-space-science/

This guy ran computer simulations to see what could have happened.
Pathetic, isn't it?!!! They imput same state only programs into computers, and run tons of models within that religious little data set, until they finally cook up something that seems like the same state could have dunnot. Then they get a little deranged look in the eye, and say something like 'gee, it MUST HAVE happened this way, it is the only way that seems to fit, ain't I a genius'?



While I don't have the details of the program he used, I'm certain he does.
I dare him to discuss it here.
Meanwhile you admit cluelessness. OK.
Please feel free to contact him and request the details for yourself. If you do, I certainly hope you'll make your communications public so we can all see what he says.
No need, science uses only certain criteria. You can be certain it uses physics from earth and etc.


Great if he impresses you, contact him and tell him to get posting.
(Now, I'm half suspecting that you are going to find some way to get out of actually putting your money where your mouth is, as we say here in Australia. Perhaps you will claim that because I can't explain it myself that it doesn't count, even though that isn't enough to make it useless.)
Hey, I eat those sort of blather claims for breakfast.
So you're answer is to claim that you get to arbitrarily choose whether it counts or not, based on whether you want it to?
Don't they speak English down under?
 
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So the godly christians followed the same hygiene as the jews but proportionally more christians got the plague. I guess this proves the jews are indeed god's chosen people.
Christians have an attitude that they are under grace so they do not have to follow the Law of God. They will then reap the consequences accordingly.
 
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Chapter and verse for these passages where Moses talks about hygiene?
To show how far Moses was ahead of modern society we need only to remind ourselves that the wordquarantine originated in the fourteenth century when the Italian ports of Venice and Genoa first refused admission to immigrants who might be harboring [bubonic] plague and required them to stay on board for forty days—hence the word quarantine. Even in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries leprosy spread over southern Europe until the principles of Moses were re-enacted successfully. Moses disinfected the patient’s clothing [Lev. 13:47 ff.], bed, and even the house itself [14:34 ff.]. The leper was required to wear a covering (mask) upon his upper lip [13:45]. On occasion the priest was requested to go outside of the camp to examine the suspect [13:46]—further to protect the populace.[2]
 
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Christians have an attitude that they are under grace so they do not have to follow the Law of God. They will then reap the consequences accordingly.


Follow the law?? You kidding? You can try....good luck with that.
 
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Follow the law?? You kidding? You can try....good luck with that.
You do not follow the teaching of the Bible to do what God says you can do and to be what God says you can be?
 
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If God could prevent deadly illness and yet doesn't, why shouldn't he take the blame?

He's not the one in control of this world. Someone has been given control to attempt to prove his claim.

http://biblehub.com/1_john/5-19.htm

So I would indeed agree that the one causing it is to blame. One of his claims has always been that man serves God only when God helps. So God has given permission for that one to inflict you with all sorts of evil things to test that one's claim.

http://biblehub.com/job/2-7.htm

"10But he said to her, "You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?" In all this Job did not sin with his lips."


And yet the Bible never tells us to wash our hands before we eat. Why not?

Because you refuse to accept truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handwashing_in_Judaism

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Hand_Washing.html

http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/4107.htm

So God set up a system where they would spontaneously develop?

Again: "You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?" In all this Job did not sin with his lips."

Funny, you claim that one being is God, so now you are telling me to blame God when earlier you were telling me not to?

And if God wanted us to have laws preventing sickness, why didn't he ever tell us to wash our hands after we go to the toilet or before we eat?

Funny how you got to attempt a strawman because you have nothing valid.

He did - see above - as I said - you just wont accept the truth is all. And then when told in verse after verse to wash to be clean - you think people didn't use common sense and wash after they go to the bathroom. When anyone touching excrement was unclean for seven days and were required to wash. Because that bacteria could linger for days and infect others.

But no, you want everyone to believe they never bothered or knew better. Strawman of the highest order.
 
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No one ever kept the ten commandments except Jesus. Good luck with that.
So all does not mean all? "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
 
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No one ever kept the ten commandments except Jesus. Good luck with that.

Such is the need for an intercessor. Who is going to condemn them for their inability to be able to keep all of the law - if their minds are set upon the proper course?

http://biblehub.com/romans/8-34.htm
 
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So all does not mean all? "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
That doesn't mean you become a sinless saint. Peter sinned, remember? All have sinned. Being perfect never saved anyone.
 
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The track record you have thus far displayed on the forum is one of fanatical blind faith in the unproven godless same state past. End of story.

I see that you can provide no evidence against my position, only name calling.

Not in any way actually. You invent distances and sizes and all sorts of things, and then sit there with a glazed look saying 'how similar to here it looks!'

So youa re saying that the stars that display this characteristic are close enough to be in the same state as us?

Post this fact so we can see it plainly. :) You are funny.

I have already posted it. And you have already clearly showed that you have no evidence.

Pathetic, isn't it?!!! They imput same state only programs into computers, and run tons of models within that religious little data set, until they finally cook up something that seems like the same state could have dunnot. Then they get a little deranged look in the eye, and say something like 'gee, it MUST HAVE happened this way, it is the only way that seems to fit, ain't I a genius'?

Yeah, they come up with a model which fits what we see in reality. How crazy is that?

I dare him to discuss it here.

I dare you to invite him. Go on. I provide contact details. Go ahead and contact him. I bet you don't.

Meanwhile you admit cluelessness. OK.

And because I am not completely well versed in the complex mathematics, it doesn't count? Please. That's a very weak argument. Things aren't real unless Kylie can perfectly explain them!!! Hear that everyone? Dad says that if I can't explain it, it can't be real!

No need, science uses only certain criteria. You can be certain it uses physics from earth and etc.

So you aren't going to put your money where your mouth is? That's a shame.

And yes, science only uses certain criteria. It uses this thing called REALITY, not fantasy.

Great if he impresses you, contact him and tell him to get posting.

I've already explained that contacting him is your job.

Hey, I eat those sort of blather claims for breakfast.

How is it blather? I was completely right. You failed to contact him, giving a weak excuse to justify it, which is exactly what I said would happen. Doesn't sound like blather to me.

Don't they speak English down under?

Yes, and we speak it very well. I fail to see what part of the sentence you quoted was hard to understand.
 
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To show how far Moses was ahead of modern society we need only to remind ourselves that the wordquarantine originated in the fourteenth century when the Italian ports of Venice and Genoa first refused admission to immigrants who might be harboring [bubonic] plague and required them to stay on board for forty days—hence the word quarantine. Even in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries leprosy spread over southern Europe until the principles of Moses were re-enacted successfully. Moses disinfected the patient’s clothing [Lev. 13:47 ff.], bed, and even the house itself [14:34 ff.]. The leper was required to wear a covering (mask) upon his upper lip [13:45]. On occasion the priest was requested to go outside of the camp to examine the suspect [13:46]—further to protect the populace.[2]

It's not exactly difficult to figure out that if you don't stay away from sick people then you might get sick as well.

But what about everyday hygiene? Washing your hands before you eat and after you go to the toilet? Where does Moses say anything about that? It's easy to know that there's danger of illlness in someone who's coughing and spluttering. You can see the signs of the sickness. But when it comes to things you CAN'T see - like germs on your hands after you wipe your butt - there's nary a single mention of it in the Bible, is there? If Moses was getting his information from God, why didn't God pass this on?
 
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He's not the one in control of this world. Someone has been given control to attempt to prove his claim.

http://biblehub.com/1_john/5-19.htm

So God is not in control of the world? Did he give up his control willingly? Isn't that like a parent willingly giving their child to a molester? How can you think that is in any way a good thing?

So I would indeed agree that the one causing it is to blame. One of his claims has always been that man serves God only when God helps. So God has given permission for that one to inflict you with all sorts of evil things to test that one's claim.

http://biblehub.com/job/2-7.htm

So God lets bad things happen just to win a bet?

To continue my analogy, that's like the parent giving their child to a molester and saying, "Be as horrible as you want, my child will still love me."

Because you refuse to accept truth.

orly?


Not applicable. I gues you didn't read the link, because it makes it clear in the page that it applies to the priests performing rites and ceremonies, NOT the general public! "The use of these lavers did not pertain to the general public, nor to their eating foods with washed hands."


This one actually provides a Bible passage. When we look at it, it says: "30:17 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
30:18 Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.
30:19 For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:
30:20 When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD:
30:21 So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations."

Again, it is refering to the people performing rites and ceremonies, NOT the general public needing to wash their hands before they have lunch.


And this says that the washing of hands was an oral tradition of man, not something that came from the Bible: "These washings were commanded by tradition, not by Scripture."

So it still doesn't seem that you can show me where the Bible says you must wash your hands to get rid of germs before you have your lunch.

Again: "You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?" In all this Job did not sin with his lips."

So instead of answering my question, you call me foolish.

Aren't you delightful?

Funny how you got to attempt a strawman because you have nothing valid.

He did - see above - as I said - you just wont accept the truth is all. And then when told in verse after verse to wash to be clean - you think people didn't use common sense and wash after they go to the bathroom. When anyone touching excrement was unclean for seven days and were required to wash. Because that bacteria could linger for days and infect others.

Seems God is more concerned with the priests washing their hands so the offerings they burn for him aren't dirties than he is with telling people to wash their hands before lunch. Every single source from the Bible you provided was about priests burning meat offering, not the common people having lunch.

But no, you want everyone to believe they never bothered or knew better. Strawman of the highest order.

Excuse me? I never said that they didn't do it. I said that there was no passage in the Bible where God told them to wash their hands before eating. The only passages from the Bible that you have been able to provide are talking about offerings used in religious ceremonies - which does not include the builder sitting down for his midday meal!
 
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I see that you can provide no evidence against my position, only name calling.

Evidence against a belief in a state of the past that can't be proven!!?? Very funny.
So youa re saying that the stars that display this characteristic are close enough to be in the same state as us?
I am saying science doesn't know. And, no, stars are not known to have time exist where they are as we know it to exist here. You see, without time no distances or sizes can be determined. Whatever we see from stars, we only see here IN time. So you naturally assume that time exists also where stars are! You can't prove it.

There is no light year without time. The distance light would travel in a year if time existed is one thing that is only theory. A theory based solely on what light does here where time exists.


I have already posted it. And you have already clearly showed that you have no evidence.
You posted nothing of the sort.

But I came upon an old link of something you did post. Funny it seems to have been edited away or something now, but here it is..

Great! So when they [flatworms] did the wild thing, you resulted eventually..correct?

Technically, yes. kts


http://www.christianforums.com/t155068-52/#post65553573



You also said that you may have resulted from flatworm sex!

Worm ANCESTOR sex! Please pay attention. kts


http://www.christianforums.com/t155068-54/#post65556323

Ha ha.


Yeah, they come up with a model which fits what we see in reality. How crazy is that?
Pretty crazy when the so called reality amounts to a fishbowl in the big picture. It looks impressive to the fish in the bowl no doubt.

I dare you to invite him. Go on. I provide contact details. Go ahead and contact him. I bet you don't.
I stand ready to deal with any man on earth. The fellow you cite being the least of my concerns.


And because I am not completely well versed in the complex mathematics, it doesn't count?
You admitting not knowing counts. I do not care if you actually think some math exists that could help you!

Please. That's a very weak argument. Things aren't real unless Kylie can perfectly explain them!!! Hear that everyone? Dad says that if I can't explain it, it can't be real!
It seems a reasonable position to expect you to be able to know and explain your own position.


So you aren't going to put your money where your mouth is? That's a shame.
If you think some great white hope for your side exists somewhere, I suggest you rustle em up. Don't blame me.
And yes, science only uses certain criteria. It uses this thing called REALITY, not fantasy.
No. They use present state physics and processes and such to model the past. That is religious reality.

I've already explained that contacting him is your job.
Overruled. I suggest you spare him the humiliation.


Yes, and we speak it very well. I fail to see what part of the sentence you quoted was hard to understand.
So something should count and someone should set what that thing is...or some such? How about telling us what is supposed to count? We can then take a look at it. Geesh.
 
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That doesn't mean you become a sinless saint. Peter sinned, remember? All have sinned. Being perfect never saved anyone.
What sin did Peter commit after Pentecostal and after having received the Holy Spirit of God?
 
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It's not exactly difficult to figure out that if you don't stay away from sick people then you might get sick as well.

But what about everyday hygiene? Washing your hands before you eat and after you go to the toilet? Where does Moses say anything about that? It's easy to know that there's danger of illlness in someone who's coughing and spluttering. You can see the signs of the sickness. But when it comes to things you CAN'T see - like germs on your hands after you wipe your butt - there's nary a single mention of it in the Bible, is there? If Moses was getting his information from God, why didn't God pass this on?
They would go outside of the camp to relieve themselves and then they were to clean themselves before they entered back into the camp. Lev 15 talks about how they are to be clean. Of course now we know that it is more then our Body that we also need to keep our mind clean from filth.
 
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