Freedom, could we have it by human nature alone?

Could we have our "Freedom" concept and practice by human nature only?

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GoldenKingGaze

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Freedom, could this word, this concept exist without Moses and the Christ? Could it exist without Martin Luther? Could we have free thinking as we know in the 21st century without great Christians?

Under Moses ancient Hebrews were free from bondage to beggarly idols and wickedness, but bound to law, which much so revealed recurring faults in human nature and that more that knowing the law was needed. Elijah saw great success having God's presence and power.

Christ gave grace and truth. His freedom is freedom of empathy, freedom from wickedness and hate, built on Moses, correcting Moses.

The Greeks and Romans had slaves and free. A simple political idea, not free spirit, or free flesh, but people could work as or travel where they wanted. Nero spoiled all that. This begins the dictatorship style.

The ancient Roman Catholics had saints, who broke free in the faith, in spirit. Like Bishop Augustine, free flesh, bound spirit, to free spirit. Initially right and meaning well, the church became restrictive on heretics, even killing them cruelly, some turning out to be right. Huss was killed and spoke of another. PJP2 admitted Huss may have been right.

As predicted Martin Luther used high position people to secure himself then protested and could not be killed like Huss. Luther is accredited with breaking free and starting the move of free conscience and free thought. Free faith too.

Could humans alone have invented free thought? Could the concept have been in existence and popular without the Gospel and attempted adherents?
 

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Freedom, could this word, this concept exist without Moses and the Christ?
It existed (in other languages) before them, so yes.
Could it exist without Martin Luther?
No. The word and concept "freedom" were unheard of until the 16th century. :doh:


Could humans alone have invented free thought?
Well, they did.
Could the concept have been in existence and popular without the Gospel and attempted adherents?
You ask as thought they hadn´t been humans.
 
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Could humans alone have invented free thought? Could the concept have been in existence and popular without the Gospel and attempted adherents?

If you look at various studies which try to arrive at Freedom Indexes for countries, there (almost?) always a positive correlation between lack of religiosity in a society and more freedom in that society.
 
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Chriliman

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It stands to reason that we're all bound by our own flesh and thoughts. Never having true freedom when we rely on ourselves or others to grant ourselves freedom. It is ourselves that we need to be freed of so that we can actually see.
 
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Freedom, could this word, this concept exist without Moses and the Christ? Could it exist without Martin Luther? Could we have free thinking as we know in the 21st century without great Christians?

Under Moses ancient Hebrews were free from bondage to beggarly idols and wickedness, but bound to law, which much so revealed recurring faults in human nature and that more that knowing the law was needed. Elijah saw great success having God's presence and power.

Christ gave grace and truth. His freedom is freedom of empathy, freedom from wickedness and hate, built on Moses, correcting Moses.

The Greeks and Romans had slaves and free. A simple political idea, not free spirit, or free flesh, but people could work as or travel where they wanted. Nero spoiled all that. This begins the dictatorship style.

The ancient Roman Catholics had saints, who broke free in the faith, in spirit. Like Bishop Augustine, free flesh, bound spirit, to free spirit. Initially right and meaning well, the church became restrictive on heretics, even killing them cruelly, some turning out to be right. Huss was killed and spoke of another. PJP2 admitted Huss may have been right.

As predicted Martin Luther used high position people to secure himself then protested and could not be killed like Huss. Luther is accredited with breaking free and starting the move of free conscience and free thought. Free faith too.

Could humans alone have invented free thought? Could the concept have been in existence and popular without the Gospel and attempted adherents?
The first true episode of freedom happened in the whole History is the Exodus and the law of God, and since that time the world started to change, but it changed more at Jesus coming and this is a fact.
So we have freedom today only thanks to YHWH the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, and to His Son Jesus which redeemed us with the highest price that had to be paid.
No way to deny His merit.
 
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'Freethinker' is an idea which came from either Socrates or some other western philosopher. The notion is virtually non-existent in eastern philosophy, which has always been respectful of either a divine maker or a natural law which prohibits a notion of moral relativity.
 
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