US Senate hopeful killed goat and drank its blood

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Hahaha. It's like the California recall election of a few years ago, when we had the ex-inappropriate content star, Gary Coleman, and a bunch of other weirdos running. I wouldn't vote for this guy if my life depended on it (luckily, no one's ever will because he doesn't have a snowball's chance in Florida of doing anything other than wasting time and money), purely based on the arrogant way that he has described himself as pointed out in several articles. I don't like it when Donald Trump thinks of himself as this great judge of character and physical attractiveness (or thinks that physical attractiveness should effect how he addresses women), and I don't like it when this latest yahoo drones on about how great he is. I feel bad for the goat, but that's about it. Goat is pretty common in North and East African meals, and if I recall correctly the Massai people in Kenya drink blood for sustenance; if he'd have said "I slaughtered it and ate it", I would've admired his resourcefulness. As it is, it sounds like somebody got tired of being the Dungeons and Dragons master of his neo-pagan libertarian discussion board board on Reddit or some other place where losers with high opinions of themselves congregate and decided to try his hand at politics. Hilarious. I mean, come on...he is on record as having posted this on his LinkedIn page:

“I do not want you to vote, so much as I want you to wake up. I want you to drop out and tune in. I want you to take LSD and practice sorcery. I want you to listen to trap music and black metal, to learn the law and to break it deliberately, to find your own religion. I want you to learn the use of firearms and subject yourselves to rigorous physical training. I want you to treat your bodies as Holy Temples and to take your girlfriend to a strip club so you can seduce a dancer in the back room. I want you to worship Nature and dance naked in the moonlight ‘round the fire, screaming in ecstatic joy. I want you to revolt. Raise Hell. Break your limitations. Renounce your life and go into the Wilderness, that God may speak to you of things to come.”

...and people are freaked out because he sacrificed a goat? This man-child is a freaking joke. He's like a modern version of Abbey Hoffman before someone finally punched him in the face. Nothing like another neo-60s "radical" to get the kids excited about...goat sacrifice and "trap music" (whatever that is), I guess? I'll pass.
 
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I simply answered a direct question from someone since they asked. You seem to be under a few assumptions that I never addressed one way or the other. I never made any post judging the man for goat killing and drinking blood. Yes, I think it's weird and I disagree with it. No, I wouldn't actually let it get in the way of voting for someone if I agreed with their politics.

Anyway, I don't believe in 'memorial' only Eucharist. We don't simply spiritualize it- we believe it literally. The reason we partake of the body and blood of Christ is because, according to the Orthodox Christian belief, it is the medicine for what ails us/the fountain of immortality/we literally have Christ in us. Christ went on at length as to why in the New Testament. We don't partake of any other blood because it is considered that life is in the blood (it's still in the Church canons as well). Everything the Christian does relates back to the Eucharist. Through partaking of the Eucharist we are in Christ- and it is only through Christ that we will live. We don't partake of something that would bring us out of communion.

ETA: Some people on this thread ask questions about Christian beliefs, obviously don't know much about the Christian beliefs, but then will de-facto attack the Christian beliefs and reasoning even before the Christians come back to explain said beliefs. My personal guess is because it is always 'attack Christianity day' with some posters here at CF. It's always nice to see them reveal themselves for who they are.

Oh, I know a bit about it, I spent about 20 years of my life partaking of that literal blood and body. Turns out it was all for naught. Ends up that the spiritual is within the human mind and it is humanity that is the only thing that will make a difference. But enough of this rabbit trail, I have a feeling that goat blood is no different for this guy then bread and wine is for others.
 
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I don't have a problem with his drinking blood, but from a goat? Really? Goats are about the nastiest animals that aren't actual denizens of the local swamp.


Then again, that's about the least troubling thing I've read about the guy.
Sounds a bit unhygenic, but I'm not sure what it would have to do with his qualifications for senate.
 
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Same. I don't know why it's a big deal unless you're Christian or something.
I am a Christian and don't see why it's a big deal.

How is drinking an animal's blood materially or ethically different to eating it's flesh? If he'd made the goat into a burger instead, would it be at all news worthy?
 
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On the contrary, it seems to verify my contention. While I'm sorry to learn of your experiences and how they affected you, lots of other people have been raised as Christians and some of them even were adversely affected by some of the educational or disciplinary excesses. But they have lived normal lives and not experienced the longterm traumatization, etc. What you've described cannot be laid, categorically, at the feet of the church or the faith.
 
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Ok, listen, just because you had bad experiences with fundamentalists and are gay doesn't give Christianity a free pass to be despised, especially considering it's decline in the world anyway. That's insulting to the many, many people like myself who have benefitted from Christianity. It's one thing to disagree with Christianity and dislike the ideology, but to say it is worthy of hatred is downright insulting and. Rey close to saying that it's adherents are worthy of hatred. Hate doesn't get you anywhere, I've had that problem for years and my faith is the only thing motivating me to change that. I had problems and depression and suicidal ideation, too, but I never blamed on God or Christianity. It was my own fault for choosing to see the world in a delusional way instead of the way it really was.
 
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It's one thing to disagree with Christianity and dislike the ideology, but to say it is worthy of hatred is downright insulting and. Rey close to saying that it's adherents are worthy of hatred.
No, those two things are substantially different.
 
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I'm not judging you. I'm asking that you tell us what needs to happen, since you seem to have some idea about "fixing the system" that has hurt and abused you in whatever way. Please, enlighten us as to what we are to do. Perhaps you have some good ideas, but right now you're just reading as angry and spiteful for things that nobody here has actually done (unless your abusers are among the posters, which seems unlikely; based on how you're describing Christianity, I kind of doubt you grew up Coptic Orthodox, for instance).
 
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I'm not judging you. I'm asking that you tell us what needs to happen, since you seem to have some idea about "fixing the system" that has hurt and abused you in whatever way. Please, enlighten us as to what we are to do. Perhaps you have some good ideas, but right now you're just reading as angry and spiteful for things that nobody here has actually done (unless your abusers are among the posters, which seems unlikely; based on how you're describing Christianity, I kind of doubt you grew up Coptic Orthodox, for instance).
Can't speak for anyone else, but as someone who was in the church for a good amount of my adult years, I can tell you that I fell away because of the failure of what were supposed to be my brothers and sisters to follow the gospel. All I'd want to see is an adherence to of what it was that Jesus said.
Start with the following:

Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled.

Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.

Blessed are ye, when men shall have you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Before ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger.

Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.

Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
But I say unto you which hear,

Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away by cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Don't read in meanings that are not there. Don't make assumptions about what you have read and when you contemplate those words remember the context, for that is important. Don't throw out a verse of a parable without remembering just what a parable is and why they were given. Again, context is important.
 
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(Reads staff warnings, wants to help lift the mood of this thread)

*Ahem* Everyone needs to lighten up. Here, I'll go first.

I like puppies. I admit it. I always have. I'm a shameless puppyholic, and I am declaring it before this forum and the world.

Okay, guys. Your turn.
 
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I really can't imagine ANY discussion centered on the fact that an oddball candidate threw his hat into the electoral ring on a third party ticket...and, what's more, was seen as so appalling to the state chairman of that party that he resigned his position over it.

This is what free elections permit. Meet minimum eligibility requirements and we all can do it.

It (this particular person's declaration of candidacy) doesn't mean ANYTHING of importance.
 
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(Reads staff warnings, wants to help lift the mood of this thread)

*Ahem* Everyone needs to lighten up. Here, I'll go first.

I like puppies. I admit it. I always have. I'm a shameless puppyholic, and I am declaring it before this forum and the world.

Okay, guys. Your turn.
Puppies suck. Kittens rule.

I kid. My Siberian pup was the most adorable thing ever.
 
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I will say it is pretty hilarious to me. A guy who calls himself "Augustus Invictus sol" drinks the blood of a goat and now runs for election. In mississippi, you might win if you just have a last name that's alphabetically first. If this guy changes his name again to "invictus sol Augustus", he would win :D
 
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