Pro life = pro gun

CabVet said:

No, I act like being pro-gun means being pro-death (as in the opposite of pro life).

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Isn't that redundant?

CabVet said:

To me the fact that every single "pro life" person that I know (or see on TV) is against regulating guns (that kill thousands every year) is absolute proof that the entire "pro life" movement has nothing to do with life.

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Wow really? I hadn't heard these people who don't want there to be any gun laws at all can you tell me who a few of them are and quote where they say they don't want any gun laws at all?

I'm pro-death.

CabVet said:

To me the fact that every single "pro life" person that I know (or see on TV) is against regulating guns (that kill thousands every year) is absolute proof that the entire "pro life" movement has nothing to do with life.

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One doesn't have to anti-gun to be pro-life. You know what's 'absolute proof' to me? That is people gave any care to life whatsoever, in the true sense, they wouldn't defend the systematic killing of 57,000,000 unborn children. Not too long ago that would have been considered a literal crime against humanity. In fact, that's exactly what it is.

But, since guns are so bad, then go ahead and convert yourself to Muslim and recant every other right you stand for because whether you like it or not, it's not you and a stick, or a group with stones- it is GUNS that maintain your livelihood.
So in reality, yes, pro-gun is pro-life.

Atheists aren't doing anything more then being utterly self-righteous, as per usual. I mean, how many factions can a person join before you're just an overly contrasted puppet of a martyr. Let's see: anti-gun, pro-choice, anti-theist, feminist, liberal, immigrant advocate, gay advocate, evolutionist.. the list goes on.

CabVet said:

Do you still live in the fantasy world where Muslims want to take your freedom away? Time to wake up. All they want is their freedom to worship however they want. And for every Muslim extremist that wants to kill infidels I can give you one of any other religion.

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CabVet said:

I will take that as a yes.

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It's not America living in a fantasy. It's a very real reality, people are simply obsessed with the moral highroad, being incoherently self-righteous.

Crowns&Laurels said:

It's not America living in a fantasy. It's a very real reality, people are simply obsessed with the moral highroad, being incoherently self-righteous.

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Not meaningless, the chart compares between countries that have strict gun regulations and those that don't. You can't get any more meaningful than that.

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The only difference you demonstrated is the weapon people use to kill each other.

And guess what is the reason for the US to have more guns?

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To defend people's home, property and nation. That is why the second amendment was put in. There was actually a period of time in the US where there was a mandate requiring everyone who could to own a gun.

I can post 100 examples of mass murders using guns in the US alone, and I assure you that those scrawny or insane people wouldn't be able to do it if they had no guns. And I bet you can't post more than a handful of mass murders using knives. As I said in my opening post, guns make it a lot easier to kill people than anything else. We require all kinds of things for people to buy and drive cars, why not do the same for weapons?

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Perhaps you have heard of bombs, I've made several in my lifetime. I don't have to be strong to use them. One of worst school massacres was with bombs, not guns. You will curb some of the massacres by removing guns due to ease of use, but if someone is determined, they will kill people. And you can lose many more people to having no guns then having them plentiful.

Sure, let's do that if you are in favor of those regimes. I don't care if elephant stampedes kill more (or less) than guns. What I care about is the hypocrisy of someone saying that they are "pro life" but at the same time being in favor of allowing anybody (including the insane) to walk into a store and buy a deadly weapon with minimal regulation. Could you answer a simple question honestly?

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1. I never said I was in favor of those regimes, but those are regimes that took away people's right to bear arms, and due to an inability to defend themselves, over 100 million were killed. It will take 250,000 years at our current rate of mass shooting deaths to reacch that number.

2. There is no hypocrisy. Guns can save lives as they take them. If someone wants to harm you, you can prevent it.

3. I haven't seen anyone defending the mentally ill being able to purchase guns.

CabVet said:

To me the fact that every single "pro life" person that I know (or see on TV) is against regulating guns (that kill thousands every year) is absolute proof that the entire "pro life" movement has nothing to do with life.

It is undeniable that people kill people, guns don't kill people. It is also undeniable that guns make it a hell of a lot easier for people to kill people. It is also undeniable (by looking at places like Australia) that more gun regulations bring down the number of gun deaths without stopping any good citizen from getting a gun.

So next time a "pro life" person talks to me, if that person also happens to be "pro guns" to everyone (including those that shouldn't be carrying them) I will dismiss every single one of their arguments because they are really not "pro life", but rather, "pro whatever their favorite politician says".

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I am "pro life" and very much for gun control. I am turning 59 this month, have never held a gun in my hand, and never intend to. I have enough to answer to God for on Judgment Day without taking another person's life. Too many people don't follow basic gun safety rules and shoot first and then look to see who they shot at and discover they killed a family member. How about the grandmother that bought her 5 year old grandson a rifle (a real one), then left him with it alone with a 3 yr old (I bet most of you can guess what happened), and then said it must have been God's will that her 3 year old grand daughter was killed. Who would think that a rifle is an appropriate gift for a 5 year old?

CabVet said:

Straw man. I never said "any gun laws at all", just more regulation to avoid them getting on the wrong hands.

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In what way is it a straw man? Do you not understand the meaning of the words you used in your op?

CabVet said:

To me the fact that every single "pro life" person that I know (or see on TV) is against regulating guns (that kill thousands every year) is absolute proof that the entire "pro life" movement has nothing to do with life.

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Do you not know what regulations are when used in the context of government?

But since you ask, here is a list of gun shows:

http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/

You can go to any of those and get any gun you want if you have the cash for it, no background check needed. No training needed. No questions asked. "These people" (the Republican controlled house) rejected a law to require background checks in those gun shows just 2 years ago. So as you can see, "these people" are everywhere.

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And those shows are regulated you may not like how they are regulated but there are laws the effect gun shows and well, gun shows aren't people much less people you've seen on tv.

So again who are the people who you see on tv who don't want any gun laws?

Or were you just being hyperbolic?

CabVet said:

Sure, I will use your words:



In other words, lives were saved in Australia. Period.

Also this:

Every country in the list above has more regulations for gun ownership than the US.

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How many blacks and Hispanics do they have?

Vylo said:

Would you like to compare the number of people killed by guns to the number slaughtered defenselessly against socialist regimes? How about against nations that were unable to deter invasion?

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So that's why I need a pistol. To defend myself against an invading horde of Socialists.

If there was a coupe by the US Military, do you really think you and your fellow gun-toters would be able to defend the Constitution against the 1st Calvary Division?

If the current purpose of gun ownership is "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State", then everyone should have the right to own tanks, machine guns and mortars.

Ooops, I guess mortars are legal. Here's one for sale for $23,500 if you are interested.



...and machine guns too? It's only $14,000

CabVet said:

P.S.: I have a shotgun, a gun dog and hunt pheasant.

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Wisconsin has 600,000 deer hunters (of over one million who enjoy small game hunting and other shooting sports), and while some fatal accidents occur the only murder by a hunter in recent memory was committed by a disgruntled Hmong, who committed a mass killing.

Shooting sports go on all year long. One million-plus people (in a state that (gasp) votes Democrat) shooting up the place and the only murder in memory is committed by an alien, who many including myself believe should not even be in this country.

ecco said:

So that's why I need a pistol. To defend myself against an invading horde of Socialists.

If there was a coupe by the US Military, do you really think you and your fellow gun-toters would be able to defend the Constitution against the 1st Calvary Division?

If the current purpose of gun ownership is "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State", then everyone should have the right to own tanks, machine guns and mortars.

Ooops, I guess mortars are legal. Here's one for sale for $23,500 if you are interested.

...and machine guns too? It's only $14,000

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I think the 2Amendment should be updated to more clear language, but still define the absolute right to bear arms, meaning 'carry about on one's person'. The weapons shown are not the kind that are borne about as are rifles and handguns.

Nithavela said:

I'm pro-death.

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Might as well be....it's inevitable.

Only way to get what you want.