[MOVED] Very discouraged by the Pope's visit to the U.S.
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And it's not as if liberals agree with the Pope on everything. There are many points of disagreement, especially regarding the rights of gays and women. But that doesn't mean we don't have respect for the man.
A two-year-old isn't a fetus...
No, outlawing abortion would simply make the practice extremely dangerous.
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From what I have seen and heard from Pope Francis, he is less precise or plain with his words than I am personally comfortable with (y'know, "let your yes be yes and your no be no"), but I am not uncomfortable with any of the people he met. Perhaps some of these people were exactly the ones he should be talking to. I don't know, since I didn't follow his visit, but it's obvious that he has quite a soapbox, given all the fawning media attention. If he used even some of it for good, then how can you imply that it's bad that he came? There will also be negative aspects and criticism, too, but if we are to condemn a man for the company he keeps while attempting to show them the right way, then what do we make of St. Paul's "to the Jews I became a Jew"? It seems like Pope Francis is trying to use a style that will connect with secular/non-religious people (again, my own view is that he is too unclear, but that's neither here nor there; my Pope is HH Pope Tawadros II, not Francis), though of course the pay-off for such things might not be worth the potential sacrifice in clarity. I think this is one of those things that only time will tell.
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Thanks to your post, I've just gathered more reason to dislike Pope Francis. I’d like to just share my opinion of Pope Francis here.
There is so much focus on the antichrist that it is easy to forget there is also a second beast who will rule over the earth alongside of the first beast in the last days. In fact, the second beast, who is also called the false prophet, plays a very important role in upcoming events. For example, he is the one who requires everyone to take the mark of the beast.
The Bible reveals the second beast will have the appearance of a lamb, but will speak like a dragon. The appearance of a lamb means he will appear to be a follower of the Lord Jesus. He will disguise himself in the form of a lamb to mislead the world because if his true intentions were revealed no one would follow him. However, he will be an imposter, a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He will speak like a dragon, which is Satan, which means he will be a liar.
The Bible warns us to be on the alert because we don’t know the dates when the beast will arise. However, we can recognize him by what he does. The second beast will be a religious leader who unifies all the religions of the world into a one-world religion. He will lead the world to their destruction by getting everyone to worship the first beast. (Revelation 13:12)
If Pope Francis is the second beast then we would expect to see him taking actions to unite the religions of the world, which is exactly what he has been doing. If he is the second beast, then his claims of promoting world peace and unity are actually just ploys to move the world closer to a one-world religion that ultimately requires everyone to worship the first beast.
Since the start of his papacy in March 2013 Pope Francis has been on a crusade to unify the religions of the world. He has launched initiatives to reconcile differences between leaders of every major religion, including longstanding rifts between Christian denominations.
There is so much focus on the antichrist that it is easy to forget there is also a second beast who will rule over the earth alongside of the first beast in the last days. In fact, the second beast, who is also called the false prophet, plays a very important role in upcoming events. For example, he is the one who requires everyone to take the mark of the beast.
The Bible reveals the second beast will have the appearance of a lamb, but will speak like a dragon. The appearance of a lamb means he will appear to be a follower of the Lord Jesus. He will disguise himself in the form of a lamb to mislead the world because if his true intentions were revealed no one would follow him. However, he will be an imposter, a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He will speak like a dragon, which is Satan, which means he will be a liar.
The Bible warns us to be on the alert because we don’t know the dates when the beast will arise. However, we can recognize him by what he does. The second beast will be a religious leader who unifies all the religions of the world into a one-world religion. He will lead the world to their destruction by getting everyone to worship the first beast. (Revelation 13:12)
If Pope Francis is the second beast then we would expect to see him taking actions to unite the religions of the world, which is exactly what he has been doing. If he is the second beast, then his claims of promoting world peace and unity are actually just ploys to move the world closer to a one-world religion that ultimately requires everyone to worship the first beast.
Since the start of his papacy in March 2013 Pope Francis has been on a crusade to unify the religions of the world. He has launched initiatives to reconcile differences between leaders of every major religion, including longstanding rifts between Christian denominations.
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Really? They clothe people now? They remove any and all cancers from women? If PP disappeared then suddenly every woman in existence would be at Erik from breast cancer, because not a single other group could do anything to help? only a large company that monopolizes the trade of fetal matter that is apparently now embedded in the fabric of our nation? They do a bunch of these really sweet things? You know, when Jesus was talking about whitewashed tombs and Pharisees, He also criticized people who make big shows of how good they are. Pharisees did it by acting pious. Am I supposed to pretend now that other people can't do that by being reeeeeally generous?
Really? They clothe people now? They remove any and all cancers from women? If PP disappeared then suddenly every woman in existence would be at Erik from breast cancer, because not a single other group could do anything to help? only a large company that monopolizes the trade of fetal matter that is apparently now embedded in the fabric of our nation? They do a bunch of these really sweet things? You know, when Jesus was talking about whitewashed tombs and Pharisees, He also criticized people who make big shows of how good they are. Pharisees did it by acting pious. Am I supposed to pretend now that other people can't do that by being reeeeeally generous?
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Why can't YOU people be made uncomfortable for once? Why do the facts always conveniently bend to whatever you say? Why can't YOU people get all upset and triggered and whatnot by something? Don't any of you realize that this allegedly great Pope is only 50% liberal. He hasn't embraced gay marriage, talked about pride, waved rainbow flags, ordained women, ordained gays, ordained transgendered people, worshipped Stalin, or anything else you might want him to do. He still has the traditional views on sexuality and the family--he just happens to be a socialist and is able to control himself better. I don't understand how at first liberals all hated Christianity due to the Catholic molestation issues, but now suddenly they love Catholicism again all because some Pope issued rhetoric.
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I thought that under the Catholic idea of church the Pope sets the example and teaches the rest of the church, instead of the rest of the church telling the Pope what to do.
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Who's "you people?" Did you not notice the Christians in this thread who have expressed the same sentiment as I did? It's not as if there are two types of people. You're being a bit selective in your observations.
Besides, do you honestly think I'm never exposed to viewpoints that make me uncomfortable?
What do I say?
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Uh, I don't know if you got the memo, but this is 'Murica dagnabbit, there's nothing more important going on in the world than whatever happens here.
We didn't elect Senator Pope Frank to the Vatican so that he can put other people's interests before our own. I bet he doesn't even say the pledge of allegiance every morning. He must be a Muslim.
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What did Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner think he was going to do when they invited him?
Clearly Nancy got exactly what she wanted out of it. Did John ?
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Actually, I personally think that the recent trip of the Pope to the United States had limited success. As with previous papal visits it appeared to me that the primary purpose of the trip was for public relations, particularly to bolster the Catholic Church here which, despite previous papal visits, continues to decline in membership, income, and reigious vocations. I sincerely doubt that his visit will stem the decline in an appreciable manner.
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Nope. That backfired on him.
I still suspect that his decision to resign was made under threat of excommunication.
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It may very well be that he concluded having a conscience and remaining the politician he was were incompatible. Maybe he'll write a memoir some day.
It's my hope he'll do the honorable thing about the threats of shutting down the government before he leaves.
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If you are referring to the hate-filled (so called) Christians like the Westboro Baptist Church, then I agree, more compassion is needed.
But to suggest that it's a good thing for a head of a Christian Chuch to start having friendly banter and photo opportunities with an unrepentant sinner is frankly laughable.
And to suggest that it's wrong to point out to a sinner that they need to repent or else they will not see the kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 4:17, Luke 5:32, 1 Corinthians 6:9) is heresy in my book, that is the Bible.
Indeed it would be a dispassionate Christian (surely an oxymoron) who would gently pat a sinner on the head and say it's okay for them to carry on in their sin, and not warn them of the coming judgement of God.
We need to toughen up a little bit and stop pandering to the world! We are a peculiar people (1Peter 2:9)! We are not of this world and should be transformed not conformed (Romans 12:2)! And we should lead the gentiles and unbelievers around us to the cross despite how unpopular the message is, for;
John 3:18-20
Obviously we will be hated, these people love their sin! It is our commision to try by any means to show them their sin reflected in the mirror that is the ten commandments.
All the blessings in the magestic name of Jesus.
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Gosh, all the books and pamphlets on personal soul winning suggest I make friends with people and them mention Christ to them. Now you tell me to skip the first step. I don't seem to get consistent advice on this.
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Well Paul, I see where you confusion is, let me clarify and explain my position for you my Brother.
I agree in principal that in any interaction with a non believer a Christian should show their love by being friendly, perhaps even begin a conversation with a wider more accessible issue.
But my post was in response to this post
I must admit, I am unaware of the details, can't seem to find them, but I would assume that the Pope wouldn't ordinarily just start befriending any gay person. This was clearly not about sharing Christs message of repentance, and unless we do that, where is the compassion? Frankly I don't know what it was about, except PR. Lol at PR in the church, it's just a business to some. Get as many people in as we can on the prosperity ticket; keep on sinning people, don't worry you're saved by grace through faith...God forgive me but it stinks.
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