Thinks to change time..

visionary · Aug 23, 2015

There is a specific moment in time when "he thinks to change time"

change holy days; already done
change days of worship; already done
change weeks; done but didn't last long
change months; already done
change calendar years; already done

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Here in this passage, we see "times ...time ...times ...time". The last three instances are all the same Hebrew word (H5732). The word "times" [highlighted and underlined in red], is a more broad Hebrew word (H2166), which means "season, time".

So we know that God's heavenly time is not our time. There is a physical dimension to time that we live, breath, and operate in. Then there is a heavenly time, where the sun can stand still while in our time we do battle as in the case of Joshua. Where in heavenly time, a prophet can be taken in to heaven and see future times.

Back to the verse... It is about changing times and laws of God. God is the one who sets the laws for times and the seasons.

Dan 2:20 Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: and he changeth the times and the seasons...

Therefore the only times and seasons that require permission to change are the ones that God has set up. The Daniel 7:25 is talking about time itself. Maybe that is why God said "time will be cut short" and "time shall be no more".

The Lone Ranger · Oct 2, 2015

Yes once we read and understand God's ways, it is disheartening to see how much of HIS ways have been perverted.

BukiRob · Oct 2, 2015

This is soooooo true. it is so ingrained that it become ubiquitous and we don't even see it.... How G-d defines a day and man are polar opposites. As most believers when a day starts and you likely get 1 of 2 answers. A day starts at 1 second after 12AM or when the sun rises.

Yet G-d tells us a day starts when the sun sets.

Ask when a week starts and all but observant Jews and Messianic Believers will tell you Monday. Yet we know that a week starts at the sunset after Sabbath or Sunset Saturday.

The Lone Ranger · Oct 3, 2015

BukiRob said:
This is soooooo true. it is so ingrained that it become ubiquitous and we don't even see it.... How G-d defines a day and man are polar opposites. As most believers when a day starts and you likely get 1 of 2 answers. A day starts at 1 second after 12AM or when the sun rises.

Yet G-d tells us a day starts when the sun sets.

Ask when a week starts and all but observant Jews and Messianic Believers will tell you Monday. Yet we know that a week starts at the sunset after Sabbath or Sunset Saturday.

Before switching over to Messianic, I asked a Deacon at the Baptist Church I used to attend, when the Sabbath was, and he told me the true Sabbath is Saturday, but they celebrate on Sunday because they believe Yeshua rose on a Sunday. They don't figure in that HE was crucified during the Passover Holy Day, which floats according to the Jewish Calendar. They still have to separate themselves from the Easter Bunny which has roots in ancient Egyptian lore, to my knowledge. When they realize that they are paying homage to a Pharoah who died on a rabbit hunt, they might re-consider hiding eggs, and begin to celebrate Passover, Jehova's Feast.

BukiRob · Oct 4, 2015

The Lone Ranger said:
Before switching over to Messianic, I asked a Deacon at the Baptist Church I used to attend, when the Sabbath was, and he told me the true Sabbath is Saturday, but they celebrate on Sunday because they believe Yeshua rose on a Sunday. They don't figure in that HE was crucified during the Passover Holy Day, which floats according to the Jewish Calendar. They still have to separate themselves from the Easter Bunny which has roots in ancient Egyptian lore, to my knowledge. When they realize that they are paying homage to a Pharoah who died on a rabbit hunt, they might re-consider hiding eggs, and begin to celebrate Passover, Jehova's Feast.

Yep... a Friday crucifixion is impossible. Yeshua said that that generation would on get the sign of Jonah 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the earth.

Friday day, Friday night = 1 day and 1 night
Saturday day, Sat Night = 2 days and 2 nights
Sunday Day, Sunday night= 3 days and 3 nights

Hoshiyya · Oct 5, 2015

The Lone Ranger said:
Before switching over to Messianic, I asked a Deacon at the Baptist Church I used to attend, when the Sabbath was, and he told me the true Sabbath is Saturday, but they celebrate on Sunday because they believe Yeshua rose on a Sunday. They don't figure in that HE was crucified during the Passover Holy Day, which floats according to the Jewish Calendar. They still have to separate themselves from the Easter Bunny which has roots in ancient Egyptian lore, to my knowledge. When they realize that they are paying homage to a Pharoah who died on a rabbit hunt, they might re-consider hiding eggs, and begin to celebrate Passover, Jehova's Feast.

That last thing you said reminds me of the tradition that says Nimrod went out hunting, and Esau came across him and slew him and took his clothes. Later he came home tired and exhausted from fleeing from Nimrod's retinue, and was so desperate for food he sold his birthright.

This, in turn, relates to the whole "Cain died as a result of being mistaken for a wild animal by Lamech (or Tubal-Cain) while out on a hunting trip" tradition.

The core of this pattern is that a wicked person dies in connection to a hunting expedition, usually being killed by someone else who is also considered wicked.

aniello · Oct 5, 2015

BukiRob said:
Yep... a Friday crucifixion is impossible. Yeshua said that that generation would on get the sign of Jonah 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the earth.

Friday day, Friday night = 1 day and 1 night
Saturday day, Sat Night = 2 days and 2 nights
Sunday Day, Sunday night= 3 days and 3 nights

Ummm, meaning no offense, but the cited day by day schedule you've shown is to me quite confusing.

BukiRob · Oct 5, 2015

aniello said:
Ummm, meaning no offense, but the cited day by day schedule you've shown is to me quite confusing.

The argument being if Messiah was placed in the tomb at any time before sunset that counts as a day. Friday day, friday night = a day.

Merely trying to show that a Friday crucifixion is impossible to get to 3 days and nights.

aniello · Oct 5, 2015

BukiRob said:
The argument being if Messiah was placed in the tomb at any time before sunset that counts as a day. Friday day, friday night = a day.

Merely trying to show that a Friday crucifixion is impossible to get to 3 days and nights.

Good, agreed. :oldthumbsup:

Chicken Little · Oct 5, 2015

Hoshiyya said:
The core of this pattern is that a wicked person dies in connection to a hunting expedition, usually being killed by someone else who is also considered wicked.

sorry but I have to disagree there is thousands on thousands of people going hunting year after year , season after season and no one gets killed anyone we know has ever remembered.
compared to walking in most cities , hunting is a stroll on the light bright and safe side..

pinacled · Oct 5, 2015

Memories served me well..
Growing up as a child people used to work 5 days a week. Leaving 2 days of rest. Observing 2 Sabbaths maybe..
Day for a year?

3 Six days shall work be done; but on the seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of work; it is a sabbath unto the LORD in all your dwellings. {P}
4 These are the appointed seasons of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their appointed season.
5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at dusk, is the LORD'S passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD; seven days ye shall eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work.

39 Howbeit on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruits of the land, ye shall keep the feast of the LORD seven days; on the first day shall be a solemn rest, and on the eighth day shall be a solemn rest.

Just thinking out loud..
Also school was taught 5 days a week 7 classes a day..
I wonder when Lawlessness began in America.

The Lone Ranger · Oct 7, 2015

pinacled said:
Just thinking out loud..
school was taught 5 days a week 7 classes a day..
I wonder when Lawlessness began in America.

I think it crept up slowly so as not to be noticed, like a snake in the grass. Like how the devil works.

The Lone Ranger · Oct 13, 2015

Hoshiyya said:
That last thing you said reminds me of the tradition that says Nimrod went out hunting, and Esau came across him and slew him and took his clothes. Later he came home tired and exhausted from fleeing from Nimrod's retinue, and was so desperate for food he sold his birthright.

This, in turn, relates to the whole "Cain died as a result of being mistaken for a wild animal by Lamech (or Tubal-Cain) while out on a hunting trip" tradition.

The core of this pattern is that a wicked person dies in connection to a hunting expedition, usually being killed by someone else who is also considered wicked.

Interesting. I am going to have to read up on what you posted, about Nimrod , Esau, and Cain, and Tubal-Cain, as I have never read about it.

pinacled · Oct 14, 2015

On the subject of time I think some might find the Turtle of interest.
Hence the Turtle Dove I believe.
There may be a ton of counter information concerning myths and what not.
So just take a close look at a Turtle shell and take a count of the carapaces.
You might discover a tool of sorts.
Which will then clarify within the myths there is a grain of the truth.

So what do you see when looking at it?

Shimshon · Oct 14, 2015

pinacled said:
So what do you see when looking at it?

I see thirteen tribes surrounded by twenty four elders.

pinacled · Oct 17, 2015

Shimshon said:
I see thirteen tribes surrounded by twenty four elders.

Thankyou Shimshon.

Having native american decent the turtle is known..

11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.

19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

Thinking of the Eagle now.

Lulav · Oct 17, 2015

Chicken Little said:
sorry but I have to disagree there is thousands on thousands of people going hunting year after year , season after season and no one gets killed anyone we know has ever remembered.
compared to walking in most cities , hunting is a stroll on the light bright and safe side..

Not near where I live, I heard not that long ago someone was shot dead by a hunter.
Was that person that was shot hunting without proper clothing?

No, the person that was shot was sitting in a pizzeria, having dinner.

Lulav · Oct 18, 2015

pinacled said:
On the subject of time I think some might find the Turtle of interest.
Hence the Turtle Dove I believe.
There may be a ton of counter information concerning myths and what not.
So just take a close look at a Turtle shell and take a count of the carapaces.
You might discover a tool of sorts.
Which will then clarify within the myths there is a grain of the truth.

So what do you see when looking at it?

Hmm, I see three surrounded by 10.

pinacled · Oct 18, 2015

Lulav said:
Hmm, I see three surrounded by 10.

Maybe we should go back to Genesis when the time is appropriate.

Lulav · Oct 18, 2015

pinacled said:
Maybe we should go back to Genesis when the time is appropriate.

Why don't you tell us what you see? That would be refreshing.

Thinks to change time..

Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I.

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