Blood Moon in September

zippy2 · Oct 3, 2015

You go check over in Kenya or some third world country and see what they say about the mutual fund growth. You could go ask the Christians who have been beheaded in Syria and Iraqi...no I guess not. Or the thousands of woman being raped and forced to become Muslims and live a life of slavery and worse. I am sure they would understand your mutual fund garbage. The world is going down the toilet....wake up.

pdudgeon · Oct 3, 2015

Reformed Lutheran said:
Ok now I get why you both missed the point of the analogy .. Your both dooms dayers!

Rather then seeing the church 2000 years ago as a few persecuted disciples,, to now having filled the earth with a church on every street corner and the gospel spreading all over the world all you see is doom and gloom,, No wonder you don't understand mutual fund growth, heck the end of the world is tomorrow, no need for it

what you're taking about happened 60+ years ago. things have changed since then.

MikeK · Oct 4, 2015

There are places on this rock where Catholocism in nearly universal and attempts are generally made to gel the ways of the Church into the culture. They won't gain mention by doomsdayers and bloodmooners, but they exist and are, well....I'm not moving to Paraguay any time soon.

I often think that lamentations about how awful these times are ammount to little more than an excuse to do nothing for the betterment of society, as the end is coming anyway. It doesn't make sense to me, because if I thought my end were truly near, I like to think I'd be using every bit of energy I could muster to serve Him through my actions.

zippy2 · Oct 4, 2015

MikeK said:
There are places on this rock where Catholocism in nearly universal and attempts are generally made to gel the ways of the Church into the culture. They won't gain mention by doomsdayers and bloodmooners, but they exist and are, well....I'm not moving to Paraguay any time soon.

I often think that lamentations about how awful these times are ammount to little more than an excuse to do nothing for the betterment of society, as the end is coming anyway. It doesn't make sense to me, because if I thought my end were truly near, I like to think I'd be using every bit of energy I could muster to serve Him through my actions.

Shouldn't we be 'serving Him through our actions' anyway, regardless of our eschatological views? Is the RCC the only one 'serving Him' as you indicated in your post? I hope you don't believe that.

MikeK · Oct 4, 2015

zippy2 said:
Shouldn't we be 'serving Him through our actions' anyway, regardless of our eschatological views? Is the RCC the only one 'serving Him' as you indicated in your post? I hope you don't believe that.

We sure should. The "RCC" is, of course, Christ's one true Church and such, it's adherents should be expected to be the closest to serving Him perfectly. It is understandable that those who believe in a truncated faith would struggle more to live as they should.

zippy2 · Oct 4, 2015

I will take my leave now. Sorry to disturb.

parousia70 · Oct 4, 2015

zippy2 said:
This world is never going to get better as a whole until the Lord Jesus comes and sets up His Kingdom. We can't make it happen. The Church can't make it happen.

On the contrary, we can make it happen, we are making it happen and we WILL make it happen. Nothing can stop us. (Matthew 16:18)

Chicken Little · Oct 4, 2015

parousia70 said:
On the contrary, we can make it happen, we are making it happen and we WILL make it happen. Nothing can stop us. (Matthew 16:18)

I haven't been scared day yet , until I read that!

LivingWordUnity · Oct 4, 2015

parousia70 said:
On the contrary, we can make it happen, we are making it happen and we WILL make it happen. Nothing can stop us. (Matthew 16:18)

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church (added emphasis):

675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.

parousia70 · Oct 4, 2015

Do you read in that any instruction to abdicate your responsibility to subdue kingdoms and establish righteousness and make disciples of all nations or that the Church will fail doing those things before this takes place?
After all that catechism quote is referencing a condition in the church that could easily be another 1000 years away, is it not? Or does the Church teach that the timing of that "final trial" is upon us today?

parousia70 · Oct 4, 2015

Chicken Little said:
I haven't been scared day yet , until I read that!

I sorry the prospect of Matthew 16:18 being true and correct scares you so much.

LivingWordUnity · Oct 4, 2015

parousia70 said:
Do you read in that any instruction to abdicate your responsibility to subdue kingdoms and establish righteousness and make disciples of all nations or that the Church will fail doing those things before this takes place?
After all that catechism quote is referencing a condition in the church that could easily be another 1000 years away, is it not? Or does the Church teach that the timing of that "final trial" is upon us today?

Since the Church is constantly on trial and has to always be on the defensive, and since western culture is predominately godless whereas it used to be predominately Christian, I don't see CCC 675-677 as having to be far into the future.

parousia70 · Oct 4, 2015

Chicken Little said:
nope that ain't what I am afraid of !

That is Surprising answer considering you are teaching the exact opposite of Matthew 16:18

parousia70 · Oct 4, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
Since the Church is constantly on trial and has to always been on the defensive, and since western culture is predominately godless whereas it used to be predominately Christian, I don't see CCC 675-677 as having to be far into the future.

So then you do see instruction to abdicate your responsibility to subdue kingdoms, establish righteousness and make disciples of all nations Because it's so close?

LivingWordUnity · Oct 4, 2015

parousia70 said:
So then you do see instruction to abdicate your responsibility to subdue kingdoms, establish righteousness and make disciples of all nations Because it's so close?

I didn't say that. Despite how bleak it looks right now, the remnant of believers should keep trying to convert the world to the gospel of Jesus Christ until the day when He returns.

LivingWordUnity · Oct 4, 2015

It's already the case that man "glorifies himself in place of God."

zippy2 · Oct 4, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
It's already the case that man "glorifies himself in place of God."

It will be one particular man. Whom I do not know.

LivingWordUnity · Oct 4, 2015

zippy2 said:
It will be one particular man. Whom I do not know.

It seems pretty obvious who it is, but I'm not saying who since I'm not 100% sure.

parousia70 · Oct 4, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
I didn't say that. Despite how bleak it looks right now, the remnant of believers should keep trying to convert the world to the gospel of Jesus Christ until the day when He returns.

Even if we have no hope of succeeding?

LivingWordUnity · Oct 4, 2015

parousia70 said:
Even if we have no hope of succeeding?

God doesn't judge us on whether or not we are successful. He only judges us on whether or not we tried.

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