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mmksparbud · May 30, 2015

smaneck said:
What are you talking about? The minimum age for marriage in Qatar is 16. In the United Arab Emirates it is 18. And 70% of parents in these countries prefer their daughters wait until after they turn 21 and finish their college education first.

You realize that raping your wife was legal in most states of the US prior to 1970? As for polygamy, yes a man may have more than one wife, but in Qatar that is legal grounds for divorce if the first wife doesn't approve. Polygamy is rare in Qatar but not infrequent in the United Arab Emirates. However, even the UAE requires the permission of all existing wives before a man can take an additional wife.

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Domestic violence is a crime in Qatar and concerted efforts are made to persuade victims to report it. The Family Code of 2006 states explicitly that a woman has the right to be free from physical and mental harm at the hands of her husband. The government maintains an all-female police unit to deal with issues related to domestic violence, and it increased the hiring of female police officers in 2012. The Supreme Council for Family Affairs (SCFA) operates a shelter under the supervision of the Qatar Foundation to accommodate abused women and children, which provides a variety of services. The Qatar Foundation also opened an office in the attorney general’s office to improve case coordination on domestic violence with the public prosecutor.

The United Arab Emirates have not pursued this issue as vigorously, however.

But as far as education goes, far from being deprived, twice as many women receive a higher education in both Qatar and the United Arab Emirates as men.

That is the one phrase I never allow my students to use when discussing gender issues. Its nothing more than a stereotypical slur.

No, you are not. Nowhere does the shariah allow people to kill their family members. However, there is a "glitch" in the shariah that may prevent them from being adequately punished. All murders under Islamic law are qissas crimes, meaning the family of the victim may have the punishment of the perpetrator mitigated if they forgive him. Well, if the family is the perpetrator, what happens then?

What??? Are you confusing Qatar and the UAE with Afghanistan when it is was ruled by the Taliban? Met one Afghan and you know all Arabs, I guess.
Yes, women may be discouraged (though not by law) from seeing a male doctor, but for that very reason the proportion of female doctors in the Islamic world is much higher than the West.

"Ignorant little sex toys" with a literacy rate of 95% and more higher education then the men. '
Any other prejudices you'd like to share with us?

OH--please--I've no less than 3 friends, ex-Muslim they've been here 5 years---all the above they said is all to true though it is officially denied, by men. All 3 would rather die than go back. I'll take their word for it over yours any day. And that is about all I have to say anymore. Have a good day.

smaneck · May 30, 2015

mmksparbud said:
OH--please--I've no less than 3 friends, ex-Muslim they've been here 5 years---all the above they said is all to true though it is officially denied, by men.

I see. And they are all from Qatar and UAE?

mmksparbud · May 30, 2015

smaneck said:
I see. And they are all from Qatar and UAE?

I don't remember where they are from--are Muslims only from Qatar and UAE?? It doesn't matter where they are from. Are you male or female?

smaneck · May 30, 2015

mmksparbud said:
I don't remember where they are from--are Muslims only from Qatar and UAE?? It doesn't matter where they are from. Are you male or female?

Of course it matters where they are from! We were talking about Qatar and the UAE and you jumped in with all these false allegations about how women were treated there.

And I'm a woman by the way.

Here is the staff at the most important medical facility in Qatar. Do these doctors all look male to you? http://www.alhayatmedicalcenter.com.qa/our-staff-doha-qatar.html

But you'd rather jump to conclusions about women's status in those two countries based on the word of a couple of apostates and you don't even know if they ever lived there!

Masihi · May 30, 2015

smaneck said:
Of course it matters where they are from! We were talking about Qatar and the UAE and you jumped in with all these false allegations about how women were treated there.

And I'm a woman by the way.

Here is the staff at the most important medical facility in Qatar. Do these doctors all look male to you? http://www.alhayatmedicalcenter.com.qa/our-staff-doha-qatar.html

But you'd rather jump to conclusions about women's status in those two countries based on the word of a couple of apostates and you don't even know if they ever lived there!

mmksparbud gave testimonies of several women who escaped muslim lands while you give us falsified percentages and media filtered reports. Take a hike.

smaneck · May 30, 2015

Masihi said:
mmksparbud gave testimonies of several women who escaped muslim lands while you give us falsified percentages and media filtered reports. Take a hike.

First off he never said that those three ex-muslims were women. Second, if they weren't from Qatar or the UAE what they said about their countries was irrelevant to this discussion.

And your evidence that my figures were falsified is what? If you have some evidence that women getting university educations in Qatar and the UAE don't outnumber the men, feel free to present it.

Masihi · May 30, 2015

I see her comment "I'll take their word for it over yours any day." as closure and she even ends with "have a good day." ... How about respecting her desire by discontinuing your rants.

smaneck · May 30, 2015

Masihi said:
I see her comment "I'll take their word for it over yours any day." as closure and she even ends with "have a good day." ... How about respecting her desire by discontinuing your rants.

You're the one who insisted on continuing this. But I don't think people's prejudices should go unchallenged.

Niblo · May 31, 2015

‘Narrated Abu Huraira:

‘Allah's Apostle said: "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)”’.

(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656).

This Hadith refers to the last days, and the return of Yeshua (ʿalayhi as-salām) as Messiah. He will descend as a just ruler; he will end the disunity caused by the various religions (both between them and within them). He will put an end to religious and social discrimination and hatred, and to poverty.

The notion that he will: ‘Kill every Jew and Christian that will not convert to Islam’ is nonsense.

The Qur’an makes it perfectly clear that: ‘The (Muslim) believers, the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabians - all those who believe in Allāh and the Last Day and do good - will have their rewards with their Lord. No fear for them, nor will they grieve.’ (Al-Baqara: 62).

It is said that Yeshua will establish Islam as the true faith. But this will not be the Islam that we find today; with its divisions, its sects, its differing creeds. This will be Islam as it was meant to be - as it was before Muslims decided that they knew better than Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) what form their religion should take.

A Jew today does not want his traditions to end. How can he be expected to deny centuries of custom and practice; of devotion to HaShem in the manner of his fathers; in the manner he believes with all his heart and mind to be true? A Christian today does not want her traditions to end. How can she be expected to deny all that she holds to be true concerning Yeshua and her faith? A Shia, a Sunni, an Ahmadi; how can they be expected to admit - to conceive, even - that their way of practicing Islam may not be the way it was meant to be? A Baha’i; a Buddhist; a Hindu; a Pagan; an Atheist……..all of us see: ‘……only reflections in a mirror, mere riddles…’ (1 Corinthians; 13:12).

But when the Messiah comes and teaches us anew: ‘…..then we shall be seeing face to face. Now (we) can know only imperfectly; but then (we) shall know just as fully as (we ourselves) are known.’ (1 Corinthians; 13:12).

Each of us is in for a surprise, I think. Each of us will eat a fair bit of humble pie. But if we truly love the Beloved, as we say we do, then we will rush to embrace all that the Messiah tells us; and there will be no need to worry over labels.

Masihi · May 31, 2015

Niblo said:
‘Narrated Abu Huraira:

‘Allah's Apostle said: "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)”’.

(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656).

This Hadith refers to the last days, and the return of Yeshua (ʿalayhi as-salām) as Messiah. He will descend as a just ruler; he will end the disunity caused by the various religions (both between them and within them). He will put an end to religious and social discrimination and hatred, and to poverty.

The notion that he will: ‘Kill every Jew and Christian that will not convert to Islam’ is nonsense.

The Qur’an makes it perfectly clear that: ‘The (Muslim) believers, the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabians - all those who believe in Allāh and the Last Day and do good - will have their rewards with their Lord. No fear for them, nor will they grieve.’ (Al-Baqara: 62).

It is said that Yeshua will establish Islam as the true faith. But this will not be the Islam that we find today; with its divisions, its sects, its differing creeds. This will be Islam as it was meant to be - as it was before Muslims decided that they knew better than Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) what form their religion should take.

A Jew today does not want his traditions to end. How can he be expected to deny centuries of custom and practice; of devotion to HaShem in the manner of his fathers; in the manner he believes with all his heart and mind to be true? A Christian today does not want her traditions to end. How can she be expected to deny all that she holds to be true concerning Yeshua and her faith? A Shia, a Sunni, an Ahmadi; how can they be expected to admit - to conceive, even - that their way of practicing Islam may not be the way it was meant to be? A Baha’i; a Buddhist; a Hindu; a Pagan; an Atheist……..all of us see: ‘……only reflections in a mirror, mere riddles…’ (1 Corinthians; 13:12).

But when the Messiah comes and teaches us anew: ‘…..then we shall be seeing face to face. Now (we) can know only imperfectly; but then (we) shall know just as fully as (we ourselves) are known.’ (1 Corinthians; 13:12).

Each of us is in for a surprise, I think. Each of us will eat a fair bit of humble pie. But if we truly love the Beloved, as we say we do, then we will rush to embrace all that the Messiah tells us; and there will be no need to worry over labels.

Except muslim leaders, who are also governors of states, practice the things contrary to your position. They practice the more stringent violent ayat of the quran which contradict the ayat you selected. The world sees you contradicting them.
Non-christians are being killed, Jews have been expelled from most muslims countries, etc etc.
Do not quote the Bible, the verse from 1 Cor 13.12 is out of context and does not apply to your reasoning.
Become a Christian first, then you can criticize the Bible.

smaneck · May 31, 2015

Masihi said:
Except muslim leaders, who are also governors of states, practice the things contrary to your position. They practice the more stringent violent ayat of the quran which contradict the ayat you selected. The world sees you contradicting them.
Non-christians are being killed, Jews have been expelled from most muslims countries, etc etc.
Do not quote the Bible, the verse from 1 Cor 13.12 is out of context and does not apply to your reasoning.
Become a Christian first, then you can criticize the Bible.

First off, you have no right to tell non-Christians they can't quote the Bible or that they have to become a Christian before criticizing it. If that is the case, please convert to Islam before you criticize the Qur'an. With the possible exception of Baha'is, who Muslim leaders refuse to accept as a religion, Muslim governors of state have not persecuted or killed non-Muslims. (I presume that is what you meant, not non-Christians.) It is non-state groups and their supporters who have committed such acts. Whatever ISIL calls itself it is not a governor of a state.

Zoness · May 31, 2015

Masihi said:
Do not quote the Bible, the verse from 1 Cor 13.12 is out of context and does not apply to your reasoning.
Become a Christian first, then you can criticize the Bible.

Now this is strange; you have to convert to a religion before you can analyze its religious texts? That doesn't seem right.

Then I made a grievous error in not converting to Hinduism before a reading of the Bhagavad Gita.

I noticed you didn't convert to Islam.

Masihi · May 31, 2015

Zoness said:
Now this is strange; you have to convert to a religion before you can analyze its religious texts? That doesn't seem right.

Then I made a grievous error in not converting to Hinduism before a reading of the Bhagavad Gita.

I noticed you didn't convert to Islam.

I as a Christian have the right to criticize the quran because Christians and Jews are mentioned in its pages. The same goes with any book material that singles out a specific group of people.
ie. If I wrote an article and single out the LA Dodgers, I might get some of their team members notifying me about it.
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Muslims do not have the right to criticize the Bible because muslims are never mentioned in the Bible.
Using the same example, no team member of the NY Yankees would call me on that article nor would I bother entertaining them since the article was not about them. The Bible and quran are two different animals.

smaneck · May 31, 2015

Masihi said:
I as a Christian have the right to criticize the quran because Christians and Jews are mentioned in its pages.

By that logic Jews are entitled to criticize the NT but you should not mention the Tanakh.

Chicken Little · Oct 4, 2015

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152946482774092

this is what we listened too all morning.. awesome!

smaneck · Oct 4, 2015

Chicken Little said:
this is what we listened too all morning.. awesome!

And this is relevant to the thread, how?

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