UN = Global Government

Argument from authority has generally not been accepted as legitimate since the Middle Ages.

It is much better to accept the words of the pope based on the soundness of his arguments, rather than on the basis of the authority of his position.

IHOM said:

You cant oppose the moral teachings of the pope if they are pronounced infallible. One can disgree with any catholics personal moral ideas even the popes. Oh i know the burden on me believe me.

Direct teachings?

Is the popes apparent approval of the un a direct teaching of the church?

I have to disagree with you

"Here we are talking about the teachings of at least four popes,"

I must stress that i dont believe political endorsement of a political body is a teaching of the church or the papacy.

I also must say that i believe both john paul ii and benedict xvi were critical of the un and called for reform (repentance?)

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The old excuse for the Conservative Catholic's use of the Cafeteria...:

I may be totally off base with this, but whatever....

I don't know all that about the sustainable development agenda and I am not all in with the UN. I have read some article that Cardinal Turke believes it is about depopulation, anti-women, etc., so I am guessing that abortion is a part of this. Globalization in the political sense scares me.

I don't understand why the pope says some of things he does. However, I was a bit relieved to hear Pope Francis speak off script about globalization. Here it is: http://6abc.com/1003740/
"Globalization in of itself is not bad. On the contrary, the globalizing tendency is good. It brings us together, but what may be bad is the way this happens. If globalization would seek to make everyone the same as if it were a single sphere that globalization destroys the richness and particularity and individuality of every person and every people. If globalization seeks to bring all of us together, but to do so respecting each person, each individual person's richness and peculiarity, respecting all peoples and their own distinctives, that globalization is good and makes us all grow and leads to peace," he said.

"If globalization is a sphere where each point is equidistant from the center then it isn't good because it annuls each of us," he said, "But if globalization joins us as a polyhedron where we are all together, but each conserves his or her own identity then it's good and it gives dignity to all men and grants them rights."

Personally, I believe that we are in for troubled times and he is preaching peace. First within ourselves, then in the home and family and then throughout the world.

I believe that Pope Francis' vision of globalization far surpasses the UN and the sustainable development agenda. It is the Christian ideal. It is not communism or socialism. It doesn't take away anyone's right from conception to grave, it doesn't take away our identities or uniqueness. It goes beyond the political.

Do I believe it will be a reality? No. Not until Christ returns. But we are called to work for it until then.
I don't think the UN gets what the Pope is saying, though, and that will be the problem.

IHOM said:

So you believe the popes apparent endorsement of the united nations is infallible teaching of the catholic church that every catholic has to without question accept?

I must say i have to disgree with you

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Not if you have a valid reason for questioning it.

Some random internet guy making unsupported claims isn't one, though.

"The problem is the united nations want to set up a single global government and at its heart is comminism and eugenics."

This is a possibility.^ But it isn't the pope's agenda, I don't believe.

Of course what happened throughout history--war, genicide, slavery, imperialism--was so far superior. Let's not reinvent the wheel of death and destruction.

The twentieth century is a study in contradiction. It is the most bloody and ruthless of centuries. It is also the century where more people lived in prosperity and peace and goodwill than any other. It has both been the source of ethnic cleansings and genocides, and developed the social mechanisms and religious doctrines that have given the world hope and way to come forward out of the racism and xenophobia that have bee written into our very DNA since before the times of tribes. Vatican II is one of those doctrines. The speeches of Martin Luther King are probably the most powerful expression of that will to a common humanity.
It is has given us the science that allows children to survive the hazards of the womb like never before. It has also given us the science that allows us to destroy those children in numbers that are absolutely nihilistic to our future.

The UN itself shares in those contradictions. It is a child of its times.

The League of Nations and UN were established as a response to two terrible world wars. They were made possible in a smaller world--united by better modes of travel, radio, television, telephone and ever expanding methods of technology.

They are part of the solution, although they are imperfect.

It doesn't surprise me that America's anti-government contingent takes potshots at them, just as they take potshots at Washington.

It doesn't surprise me that America's anti-government contingent are centered in poor southern states that take, take, take from federal government and contribute much less to Washington than they receive...

Selfish and individualistic, as far as I can see.

Fantine said:

Selfish and individualistic, as far as I can see.

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Not to mention paranoid.

LivingWordUnity said:

Justice is not likely to happen in this time of the Antichrist.

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If this is the time of the Antichrist, then it must mean the Antichrist is here. Who is it?

Mountain_Girl406 said:

If this is the time of the Antichrist, then it must mean the Antichrist is here. Who is it?

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David Hasselhoff.

Yes, seriously... https://armageddoncocktailhour.word...-your-antichrist-candidates-david-hasselhoff/

I knew it! Soon we'll all have to pledge "don't hassle the Hoff"

Armoured said:

David Hasselhoff.

Yes, seriously... https://armageddoncocktailhour.word...-your-antichrist-candidates-david-hasselhoff/

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IHOM said:

Here we go. United Nations to restructure the debt of governments around the world giving the united nations total economic control of the world

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0RA2KU20150910?irpc=932

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it is just wishful thinking and lots of pretending and imagination.

Mountain_Girl406 said:

If this is the time of the Antichrist, then it must mean the Antichrist is here. Who is it?

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Jesus said that we can know the tree by its fruit.

LivingWordUnity said:

Jesus said that we can know the tree by its fruit.

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That's nice, but you were asked who it is. Who do you think it is?