Jesus - was he a Jew?

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I don't know about the other two articles, but I would not put much credibility in anything by Benjamin Harrison Freedman, who according to Wikipedia was an Holocaust denier, and vocal anti-Zionist, among other things.
 
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I don't know about the other two articles, but I would not put much credibility in anything by Benjamin Harrison Freedman, who according to Wikipedia was an Holocaust denier, and vocal anti-Zionist, among other things.

That makes sense, the 'article' reads on to be more of a rant, refelcting what you have written about him quite clearly.
 
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Hi jabattler,

Even if we were to suppose that he was not a Jew by birth, which is fully possible. He likely was not conceived of either Mary's egg or Joseph's sperm. However, he was presented on the eighth day for the Jewish rite of circumcision. He therefore, was a Jew by the law of circumcision. According to God's commands, even a foreigner could become a Jew by circumcision. Although, personally, I believe he was considered to be a Jew by right of being born to Mary and Joseph.

Even when Pilate had the plaque written that he was the 'King of the Jews', no one stood up to deny that he was a Jew, just that he wasn't their king. Had they raised the argument that he wasn't a Jew, then his being king of the Jews would have been moot.

God bless you.
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Sara's Child had a covenant with God, not Hagar's: Issac, not Ishmael. The line is not so much through the Father but the Mother. Even then it is kind of grey. If only your mom was Jewish, then her kids are Jewish. If the only Father is Jewish, then I think maybe the kids will be considered Jewish too, because the Father's mother was Jewish..... I am no expert though.
 
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Jesus wouldn't be who he is if weren't Jewish, because it's required that he be a descendant of King David.
So, there really isn't a possibility that he could be something different if you believe he's the Messiah.
 
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Jesus was the first Christian by example and leadership. He was an Israelite by lineage, and Jewish as far as religion until his ministry where he lived and taught new things that were different than the old religious ways. His disciples and apostles continued to teach the changes in the religion God wants us to follow.
 
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Sara's Child had a covenant with God, not Hagar's: Issac, not Ishmael. The line is not so much through the Father but the Mother. Even then it is kind of grey. If only your mom was Jewish, then her kids are Jewish. If the only Father is Jewish, then I think maybe the kids will be considered Jewish too, because the Father's mother was Jewish..... I am no expert though.


Nope... Jewish identity is determined maternally.

As any Jew will tell you, we know for 100% certainty who the mother is. The Father? Well, we cant know that for certain.
 
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Jesus was the first Christian by example and leadership. He was an Israelite by lineage, and Jewish as far as religion until his ministry where he lived and taught new things that were different than the old religious ways. His disciples and apostles continued to teach the changes in the religion God wants us to follow.

Patently false.

Yeshua taught Torah. Nothing more nothing less.

He rejected some of the rabbinical traditions when those traditions were in error to what Torah said.

Yeshua taught both the SPIRIT of the Torah as well as being obedient to the literal meaning of Torah.

If find your inaccuracy to what scripture plainly states frightening. Every single one of the apostles and Paul were Torah observant, observed all of the Feasts days of G-d and Sabbath...
 
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As any Jew will tell you, we know for 100% certainty who the mother is. The Father? Well, we cant know that for certain.


Of course we can, God the Father is the Father of Jesus.

1Jn_1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
 
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Patently false.

Yeshua taught Torah. Nothing more nothing less.

It is not false and Jesus taught more than Torah, new things not understood before. His disciples and Apostles continued to share those teachings which included a New Covenant replacing the old.

He rejected some of the rabbinical traditions when those traditions were in error to what Torah said.

There far more to it than just that.



If find your inaccuracy to what scripture plainly states frightening. Every single one of the apostles and Paul were Torah observant, observed all of the Feasts days of G-d and Sabbath...

That's false according to what is found in the NT especially the writings after Christ ascended. The one true religion is Christianity, not Judaism and not a mix of Judaism and Christianity.


What does it mean to fulfill prophecy? It means it's completed, done. It's not something to look forward to happening because it already happened and it's great! But, it's done and completed and removed from the list of prophecies that are still to come. Fulfilled prophecy becomes history! Fulfilled law becomes history as well. Christ replaced the old law and covenant with a new law and covenant:

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.









Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.





They would return to "the weak and beggarly elements" which put them in bondage to the first covenant. Why would a free Christian desire to be put back into bondage?

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Gal 4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
Gal 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Gal 4:17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.
Gal 4:18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Gal 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.





2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The new Testament is the same as the new Covenant.


2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

That's the ten commandments.


The ministering of condemnation is part of the entire terminology being used to describe the law in a general entirety. Scholars and those schooled in biblical Greek understand what is being said:


JFB:

the ministration of death — the legal dispensation, summed up in the Decalogue, which denounces death against man for transgression.
written and engraven in stones — There is no “and” in the Greek. The literal translation is, “The ministration of death in letters,” of which “engraven on stones” is an explanation. The preponderance of oldest manuscripts is for the English Version reading. But one (perhaps the oldest existing manuscript) has “in the letter,” which refers to the preceding words (2Co_3:6), “the letter killeth,” and this seems the probable reading. Even if we read as English Version, “The ministration of death (written) in letters,” alludes to the literal precepts of the law as only bringing us the knowledge of sin and “death,” in contrast to “the Spirit” in the Gospel bringing us “life” (2Co_3:6).
 
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