Putin at UN: We need a 'genuinely broad alliance against terrorism, just like the one against Hitler

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Some societies aren't ready or suited for 'freedom' Western style.

Obama and his agents have created this ISIS monster with their interfering.

What do we do now?

Turn our Liberal back to the horrors of ISIS and pretend they're not happening? Or applaud Putin for his intervention and pray he's successful in regaining control for Assad...
 
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Some societies aren't ready or suited for 'freedom' Western style.

Obama and his agents have created this ISIS monster with their interfering.

What do we do now?

Turn our Liberal back to the horrors of ISIS and pretend they're not happening? Or applaud Putin for his intervention and pray he's successful in regaining control for Assad...
Obama did not create ISIS.
Bush did not create ISIS.
Israel did not create ISIS for that matter.
ISIS is just another manifestation of the latest Islamist theology that came to the fore already in the 1920's.
Iran is as much a part of that theology as ISIS is.
 
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Every time those in power want to convince the people to support a war, the Hitler meme gets dragged out.

But if it actually applies crying "Godwin" will not make it not apply. Just the mention of Hitler or the Nazis brings out the Godwin fanatics as if no one could ever be compared in any way to them. If a fascist dictatorship began slaughtering millions of Jews, Gypsies and disabled people, invaded their neighbors, and talked about being a master race and was compared to the Nazis I am sure someone would insist on invoking Godwin.
 
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Obama did not create ISIS.
Bush did not create ISIS.
Israel did not create ISIS for that matter.
ISIS is just another manifestation of the latest Islamist theology that came to the fore already in the 1920's.
Iran is as much a part of that theology as ISIS is.
Baloney, with respect.

Its Iran who are one of the only ones willing to stand up to ISIS on the ground.

Obama's Liberal Foreign Policy gave the oxygen for ISIS to flourish, with a little help from Mossad of course...
 
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Baloney, with respect.

Its Iran who are one of the only ones willing to stand up to ISIS on the ground.

Obama's Liberal Foreign Policy gave the oxygen for ISIS to flourish, with a little help from Mossad of course...


Iran stands up to a rival for dominance that is not in the same camp as they are theologically. I do not give them credit for being benevolent for doing that.
 
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As for the role that America plays in this thread, it is indeed pertinent to take note of how as America's influence iwanes and sputters, Putin is eclipsing Obama as the one providing the moral leadership of the world. It is Putin and not American leadership that is at the UN building a coalition of the willing against what Russia might define as the axis of evil in the ME, the modern version of the Nazis, according to the title of the thread.

It is pertinent to note that for the first time since the end of the Cold War, or even since the end of WWII, it is Russia that is providing that kind of moral leadership on the world stage, and America is relegated to the sidelines, or even the nose bleed section of the bleachers, and is about as completely irrelevant as any nation can be to the most critical issues of the day.

I think that that is a very interesting turn of events and very relevant to the theme of this thread actually. This is a new era and a changing of the guard that we are entering into, where the thug-ocracy of the new Russia is emerging as the moral voice of the 'New World Order', and America drifts further and further into irrelevance under Obama's watch.

Assad's troops, like it or not, are the ones fighting on the front lines against ISIS. If we can't work with Assad, we need to back off, stay out of it, and leave the fight to those who can.

You should write for Pravda. No American sucks up to Russia like that when Putin is a worse failure of a leader than Obama could ever be.

89 percent of the Russian people say otherwise, and they're in a better position to know than you are.

Chechnya was what?

A Russian victory, and a personal victory for Putin. If Russia could whoop the Chechen rebels, she can whoop ISIS. In fact I believe that ISIS's best men are in fact Chechens. You can't argue with success.


Because Russia has a president that fights for his country's interests. That's why he's so popular. That is also why his efforts will succeed where Bush's failed.
 
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Baloney, with respect.

Its Iran who are one of the only ones willing to stand up to ISIS on the ground.

Obama's Liberal Foreign Policy gave the oxygen for ISIS to flourish, with a little help from Mossad of course...
Yes of course you would believe that about Jewish Israel.
And Iran fighting ISIS is not a refutation of the fact that they are both Islamist, or Islamofascist states.
 
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Iran stands up to a rival for dominance that is not in the same camp as they are theologically. I do not give them credit for being benevolent for doing that.
Wow. Eaten bread truly is soon forgotten...
 
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Yes of course you would believe that about Jewish Israel.
And Iran fighting ISIS is not a refutation of the fact that they are both Islamist, or Islamofascist states.
Mossad have the ability and the motivation to set Sunni against Shia...
 
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Obama did not create ISIS.
Bush did not create ISIS.
Israel did not create ISIS for that matter.
ISIS is just another manifestation of the latest Islamist theology that came to the fore already in the 1920's.
Iran is as much a part of that theology as ISIS is.
Assad was launching a fierce strike on ISIS and had them on the run. At that time, Obama vowed to stop Assad and took actions against him. As a result, ISIS was able to expand in the region. Therefore, whether knowingly or not, Obama helped ISIS.
 
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I want to get this straight. You are directly stating that Obama is the reason that Assad did not defeat ISIS? I understand how badly you might want that to be true, I do, but come on.

Unfortunately, Assad has been helping ISIS as much as he's been fighting them. He wants very much to eliminate other rebel groups and solidify his position as the only option other than ISIS and he,in his selfish, brutal way, has demonstrated that he is not among empowering ISIS where they aren't a threat to him.
 
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I want to get this straight. You are directly stating that Obama is the reason that Assad did not defeat ISIS? I understand how badly you might want that to be true, I do, but come on.
Since Obama interfered, we can't know for sure if Assad would have completely destroyed ISIS. But the point is that Obama interfered right at the point when Assad had ISIS on the run, and ISIS obviously benefited from it.
Unfortunately, Assad has been helping ISIS as much as he's been fighting them. He wants very much to eliminate other rebel groups and solidify his position as the only option other than ISIS and he,in his selfish, brutal way, has demonstrated that he is not among empowering ISIS where they aren't a threat to him.
That's complete nonsense. Where did you hear that propaganda?
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That's complete nonsense. Where did you hear that propaganda?
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It has been the claim of anti-Assad forces from the start, most notable perhaps in Aleppo where it was reported that Assad was attacking the stronghold from the air, focussing on their supply lines even as ISIS was shelling them.
 
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Assad was launching a fierce strike on ISIS and had them on the run. At that time, Obama vowed to stop Assad and took actions against him. As a result, ISIS was able to expand in the region. Therefore, whether knowingly or not, Obama helped ISIS.
That is a version of the news that does not generate many hits on google.
 
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One thing that was missing in Pope Francis' speeches to the Congress and the UN, is the mention of the word genocide about what ISIS is doing to Christians and Yashidis in the Levant.

It is unfortunate that Obama never uses that word, but on behalf of the pope when he had the world stage and the American stage too, this is something that the most prominent leader of the Christian should not overlook.

We all get wrapped up in our own little pet political causes, be it the family or the environment or what have you, but the Christians in the Levant are really pretty much forgotten. They are not prominent in the refugee camps either, because it is too dangerous for Christians to be there too, from what I have heard.
As for Yashidis, their girls are all on the sex slave market now. They are nobody's child.
That is genocide by any definition.
The pope knows it is genocide and has said so in the past. But it is not front and center in his consciousness either, and given his position in the Christian world, if he doesn't make that the centrepiece of his addresses to the world stage, who will?

Well, it is all up to the thug Putin, I guess.
 
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