How can Satan cast out Satan?

AV1611VET · Sep 19, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
Yes really, imagined nonsense will change nothing,

Imagined or not ... you're certainly wrong about this:

Jan Volkes said:
the difference between us is that I except that and you don't,

I told you why you are wrong.*

Now you tell me why you are right.

* The Bible says it, that settles it.

juvenissun · Sep 20, 2015

029b10 said:
Seems this passage is the best analogy I have heard to describe the Creation - Evolution debate since one is just as plausible as the other, since neither is possible.

Since the physical form of man is composed of SOLID, LIQUID, and GAS, the chance of forming a man out of dust of the dry ground and air is not even possible as the passage in which provoked the response of Jesus to Nicodemus, "Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?"

Seeing that the dust of dry ground would be SOLID and the the breath of life, or air being GAS, then the fact Jesus pointed out that without the water which would constitute the third state of matter being LIQUID, then if the human body which is composed of all three could not have been formed without all three.

Now I am sure that there are some that will claim that all things are possible with God, so if all things are possible with God, then is it not also possible that that God formed man by a series of random genetic mutations since one is no more a contradiction of the laws of Nature than the other. Thus, as written in John 3:5, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

So do you think Jesus showed Nicodemus the state of matter being the LIQUID necessary to form the flesh as written in Genesis 2:6 since the passage of Jesus speaking to Nicodemus continues in the third chapter of John, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

So I will conclude with Luke 24:36 " And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."

A terrible application of basic scientific knowledge.
I suggest you cast out the scientific argument (about solid, liquid and gas) in you understanding and re-organize the rest of the information.

029b10 · Sep 20, 2015

juvenissun said:
A terrible application of basic scientific knowledge.
I suggest you cast out the scientific argument (about solid, liquid and gas) in you understanding and re-organize the rest of the information.

If you read it that you are made out of dust and air, may I recommend a song for you . Dust in the Wind by Kansas

As far as basic scientific knowledge, the 'fourth state' of matter called plasma, is that ionized gas or "breath of life" that animates the body [solid, liquid, gas] of all living creatures. Once the EEG ceases, the conscious mind ends. Which after all, that is what the Egyptians believed that the sun was God that gave life to the earth.

juvenissun · Sep 20, 2015

029b10 said:
If you read it that you are made out of dust and air, may I recommend a song for you . Dust in the Wind by Kansas

As far as basic scientific knowledge, the 'fourth state' of matter called plasma, is that ionized gas or "breath of life" that animates the body [solid, liquid, gas] of all living creatures. Once the EEG ceases, the conscious mind ends. Which after all, that is what the Egyptians believed that the sun was God that gave life to the earth.

You have strong imagination. When you add basic science into it, anything can be linked together to make a wonderful story. But not a solid story in either science or in theology.

For example, you link the ionized gas to the breath of life. I can understand what ionized gas is. But I can not see what the breath of life is on the same base. Is my breath a breath of life? Is God's breath made of ionized gas?

Walk on a solid ground. Don't try to fly before you can walk.

029b10 · Sep 20, 2015

juvenissun said:
You have strong imagination. When you add basic science into it, anything can be linked together to make a wonderful story. But not a solid story in either science or in theology.

For example, you link the ionized gas to the breath of life. I can understand what ionized gas is. But I can not see what the breath of life is on the same base. Is my breath a breath of life? Is God's breath made of ionized gas?

Walk on a solid ground. Don't try to fly before you can walk.

So are you saying the 'breath of life' is special air? So if is written that he that is born of the flesh is flesh, and he that is born of the Spirit is spirit. Then seeing you need all three states of matter [solid, liquid, and gas] to even form the physical body, then howbeit the scriptuers teach that the body without the spirit is dead. So as Jesus said, no man can enter the Kingdom of God except be born of the water and the Spirit. Then the flesh without spirit would be dead. So again, if the body is not ionized, having a charge then why does EEG always show a circuit within the flesh except at death, when the EEG stops.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

Are you saying that only them who have believe in Jesus have spirits and not all living creatures upon the face of the earth? Then can you explain the scripture of Gen 6:17

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh,
wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

So as far your advice regarding solid ground, one must learn to stand on solid ground before they can walk and those who can walk on water know it takes more work to learn the truth than it takes faith to believe a lie.

Jan Volkes · Sep 20, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Imagined or not ... you're certainly wrong about this:
I told you why you are wrong.*

Now you tell me why you are right.

* The Bible says it, that settles it.

There is nothing there to be right or wrong about it's just a story, but if it rocks your boat then OK.

juvenissun · Sep 20, 2015

029b10 said:
So are you saying the 'breath of life' is special air?

No, it is not a special air. It is not air at all. Air is made of oxygen and nitrogen etc. There is no oxygen, no nitrogen, and no CO2.

AV1611VET · Sep 20, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
There is nothing there to be right or wrong about it's just a story, but if it rocks your boat then OK.

Then tell me why the story says I'm wrong.

If "the story" says we're all going to die, and I believe it, then how do you justify making a remark like this?

the difference between us is that I except that and you don't,

029b10 · Sep 20, 2015

juvenissun said:
No, it is not a special air. It is not air at all. Air is made of oxygen and nitrogen etc. There is no oxygen, no nitrogen, and no CO2.

While the breath of life is clearly defined by scripture, sometimes rather that twisting to scriptures to fit one's perception of the way it should, one should let the precepts and their teacher. You are trying force you what you think it should be based upon you own interpretation, yet can't even defined what the breath of life much less the water to develop the precept of the three states of matter necessary for the spirit to give the body life.

As written in John 3:12, the fluidity of truth between the physical and the spiritual is as light into mass.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Gen 2:7
All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. Gen 7:22

neshamah (nesh-aw-maw'); a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath,
KJV - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.

The only thing I can tell you is the Bible is written by precept, and if it wasn't given to yet by the one who was promised to be sent to you then be patient.

029b10 · Sep 20, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
There is nothing there to be right or wrong about it's just a story, but if it rocks your boat then OK.

A story? Like when Moses threw down a rod at the feet of Pharaoh and it became a serpent. How can you know what the story is if you don't even know the facts, but if I said that Moses didn't throw any rod down a Pharaoh's feet you wouldn't believe. But you're the one who claims the stories are foolish and yet we find you here.

Jan Volkes · Sep 21, 2015

029b10 said:
A story? Like when Moses threw down a rod at the feet of Pharaoh and it became a serpent. How can you know what the story is if you don't even know the facts, but if I said that Moses didn't throw any rod down a Pharaoh's feet you wouldn't believe. But you're the one who claims the stories are foolish and yet we find you here.

Yes a story, the bible is full of stories just like all the other religious text around the world, religions are mass delusions,
that's why each culture had it's own home grown delusion that was peculiar to that culture.

People are dying today because they were raised to believe in different religions, religion would have it's believers kill people who do not believe as they do.
I don't know about you but I would call that madness.

Education and knowledge is the only thing that can kill religions, given time the Internet will do just that.

juvenissun · Sep 21, 2015

029b10 said:
While the breath of life is clearly defined by scripture, sometimes rather that twisting to scriptures to fit one's perception of the way it should, one should let the precepts and their teacher. You are trying force you what you think it should be based upon you own interpretation, yet can't even defined what the breath of life much less the water to develop the precept of the three states of matter necessary for the spirit to give the body life.

As written in John 3:12, the fluidity of truth between the physical and the spiritual is as light into mass.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Gen 2:7
All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. Gen 7:22

neshamah (nesh-aw-maw'); a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath,
KJV - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.

The only thing I can tell you is the Bible is written by precept, and if it wasn't given to yet by the one who was promised to be sent to you then be patient.

If so, does God breath me when I turned into a life? Where is MY part of the air?

Your idea not only interpret the verses of the Scripture, it should also interpret its consequences. Would it be able to do that? Where is my part of the "air"?

029b10 · Sep 23, 2015

juvenissun said:
If so, does God breath me when I turned into a life? Where is MY part of the air?

In your nostrils.

juvenissun · Sep 23, 2015

029b10 said:
In your nostrils.

That is air. Not mine, not God's.

029b10 · Sep 23, 2015

juvenissun said:
That is air. Not mine, not God's.

Doesn't serve much purpose to be born of God if His Word isn't abiding in you.

029b10 · Sep 23, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
Yes a story, the bible is full of stories just like all the other religious text around the world, religions are mass delusions,
that's why each culture had it's own home grown delusion that was peculiar to that culture.

People are dying today because they were raised to believe in different religions, religion would have it's believers kill people who do not believe as they do.
I don't know about you but I would call that madness.

Education and knowledge is the only thing that can kill religions, given time the Internet will do just that.

Well, if you had read what was written you would know that Moses didn't throw down a rod before the feet of Pharaoh that became a serpent.

Doveaman · Sep 29, 2015

029b10 said:
Seems this passage is the best analogy I have heard to describe the Creation - Evolution debate since one is just as plausible as the other, since neither is possible.

Since the physical form of man is composed of SOLID, LIQUID, and GAS, the chance of forming a man out of dust of the dry ground and air is not even possible as the passage in which provoked the response of Jesus to Nicodemus, "Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?"

I am not aware of any conversation Jesus had with Nicodemus about SOLID, LIQUID, and GAS. :scratch:

Seeing that the dust of dry ground would be SOLID and the the breath of life, or air being GAS

The "breath of life" is not GAS. God did not breath GAS into Adam's body. Adam did not become a living being because of GAS. :doh:

then the fact Jesus pointed out that without the water which would constitute the third state of matter being LIQUID, then if the human body which is composed of all three could not have been formed without all three.

You should really stop mistreating the scriptures.

Now I am sure that there are some that will claim that all things are possible with God, so if all things are possible with God, then is it not also possible that that God formed man by a series of random genetic mutations since one is no more a contradiction of the laws of Nature than the other.

But one is more a contradiction of the laws of God than the other. According to God's own word, Adam was intelligently formed from the dust of the ground, not from random genetic mutations.

Thus, as written in John 3:5, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Jesus is talking about a spiritual birth, not a physical one.

So do you think Jesus showed Nicodemus the state of matter being the LIQUID necessary to form the flesh as written in Genesis 2:6 since the passage of Jesus speaking to Nicodemus continues in the third chapter of John

No, I do not think so. Jesus is showing that spiritual renewal requires a 'rebirth' symbolized by water baptism.

"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

Jesus is simply describing the work of salvation using metaphors of earthly things (birth, wind, water) to help Nicodemus understand His message, rather than using His own heavenly language which Nicodemus could not understand.

So I will conclude with Luke 24:36 " And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."

Peace be unto you too.

029b10 · Sep 30, 2015

Doveaman said:
I am not aware of any conversation Jesus had with Nicodemus about SOLID, LIQUID, and GAS.

Really, seems he would have mentioned it to you.

Doveaman said:
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The "breath of life" is not GAS. God did not breath GAS into Adam's body. Adam did not become a living being because of GAS.
You should really stop mistreating the scriptures.

Really ? So it wasn't air that was breathed into the nostrils of man, which by way air is the state of matter called 'gas' then I would ask if you would care to share the magical substance that was put in man's nostril to produce a "living being" as you said, from just one state of matter if the breath blown into his nostrils wasn't air.

So according to:
Strongs Dictionary
Breath of Life- OT:5397 neshamah (nesh-aw-maw'); from OT:5395; a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath,
KJV - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.

And Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So why does Jesus say "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." For the simple reason that many dew not see the water in Genesis 2 that was used to form the man in Genesis 2:7. Which you apparently didn't see either.

Doveaman · Sep 30, 2015

029b10 said:
Really ? So it wasn't air that was breathed into the nostrils of man, which by way air is the state of matter called 'gas' then I would ask if you would care to share the magical substance that was put in man's nostril to produce a "living being" as you said, from just one state of matter if the breath blown into his nostrils wasn't air.

So according to:
Strongs Dictionary
Breath of Life- OT:5397 neshamah (nesh-aw-maw'); from OT:5395; a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath,
KJV - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.

And Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I'll go with the KJV: spirit.

So why does Jesus say "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." For the simple reason that many dew not see the water in Genesis 2 that was used to form the man in Genesis 2:7. Which you apparently didn't see either.

LOL

How can Satan cast out Satan?

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE

... and God saw that it was good.

It is a hinnie talking to the Spirit not a mule.

... and God saw that it was good.

It is a hinnie talking to the Spirit not a mule.

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... and God saw that it was good.

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE

It is a hinnie talking to the Spirit not a mule.

It is a hinnie talking to the Spirit not a mule.

Well-Known Member

... and God saw that it was good.

It is a hinnie talking to the Spirit not a mule.

... and God saw that it was good.

It is a hinnie talking to the Spirit not a mule.

It is a hinnie talking to the Spirit not a mule.

Re-Created, Not Evolved.

It is a hinnie talking to the Spirit not a mule.

Re-Created, Not Evolved.

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