Pope Francis: Act charitably, take in immigrants—or give up tax-free status

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Two points: 1) you can't just take one part of the Bible and apply it to every situation, for instance from what you seem to be asking wouldn't that mean Corrie ten Boom and all those Christians who hid Jews from the Nazi's in their homes be guilty of what you seem to asking? They had a different beliefs from what the Christians had. and 2) you really have no idea how much or how little I dive into the Bible, no biggie though I'll just assume you didn't mean it to be as bad as it sounded. :wave:




You don't see a contradiction in this part of your post with this part? :scratch:


that's fine, you don't want to take people in? Then you shouldn't. You should just help where you feel you can.


Do what you feel you can, just try not to judge those who can do what you wont. :wave:


tulc(hmmm...it's hot, black and made from coffee beans...nope, definitely some fine coffee!) :D

No sees no contradiction, cant want to see the pics of your new room mates as you invite "the brotherhood" to stay with you.

Post em online for us LOL
 
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How so?

I would invite a Muslim family into my home if they needed a roof over their head. Would you?

You and Tulc feel free to upload pictures of what you claim love and would support, Im certain we will be seeing those pictures soon. You can each find a family to bring into your home rather easily too.

I look forward to that.

So please, this week get those pictures uploaded to us, to inspire us all.

But no I agree with the apostles, I would not receive one bearing another doctrine into our home, that would make us a partaker of their evil deeds
 
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You and Tulc feel free to upload pictures of what you claim love and would support, Im certain we will be seeing those pictures soon. You can each find a family to bring into your home rather easily too.

I look forward to that.

So please, this week get those pictures uploade to us, to inspire us all.

But no I agree with the apostles, I would not receive one bringing one bearing another doctrine into our home, that would make us a partaker of their evil deeds
maybe you can can explain to this guy all about that:
Matt. 25: 31-45 said:
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
especially the bolded portion? :wave:
tulc(let us know how that...oh wait vrs 46 said how it turns out "46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." bummer) :sorry:
 
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You and Tulc feel free to upload pictures of what you claim love and would support, Im certain we will be seeing those pictures soon. You can each find a family to bring into your home rather easily too.

I look forward to that.

So please, this week get those pictures uploaded to us, to inspire us all.

But no I agree with the apostles, I would not receive one bearing another doctrine into our home, that would make us a partaker of their evil deeds

It was a hypothetical situation. And I suggest you go back study the context in which that scripture was written before you use it as theological basis to turn away those in need.
 
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maybe you can can explain to this guy all about that:

especially the bolded portion? :wave:
tulc(let us know how that...oh wait vrs 46 said how it turns out "46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." bummer) :sorry:

That has nothing to do with receiving another faith into your home

Jesus come up right beside his own discples asking them questions as a stranger (in another form, not another doctrine)

Luke 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

So they start talking about Jesus Christ (and their hope) as if it was diminished he starts expounding on the scriptures concerning Christ and just as the angels who would seemed to (at first refuse) Jesus also makes like he is going further

Luke 24:28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.

Just like Lot (with the angels) they themselves pressed him to abide with them (after his doctrine was opened up to them)

Luke 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

If they hadnt done that they would have not done unto the Lord

Its almost like the words he says they will say to him, "when saw we thee a stranger"and took ye in (or not in)

Angels unawares in that sense also,

Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Even as Jesus says that whoever receives anyone I send receives me and he that received me receives him that sent me

Same with Paul

Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Paul (one God had sent)

but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Jesus also said,

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

If they come in the name of muhammad you are certainly free to receive them, there are those who will do so
 
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It was a hypothetical situation. And I suggest you go back study the context in which that scripture was written before you use it as theological basis to turn away those in need.

You should both be overjoyed at this opportunity and quite thrilled to upload a picture of the family you will be chosing to take in and support. Many of us will look forward to seeing the professed subjection to the popes will, even as you stand beside him (supporting him right here among all of us).

I dont doubt your sincerity therefore I am certain we will see pictures of your adopted muslim family

I saw a video of some refugees rejecting food being offered, just be sure you get the good stuff.
 
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That has nothing to do with receiving another faith into your home

Jesus come up right beside his own discples asking them questions as a stranger (in another form, not another doctrine)

Luke 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

So they start talking about Jesus Christ (and their hope) as if it was diminished he starts expounding on the scriptures concerning Christ and just as the angels who would seemed to (at first refuse) Jesus also makes like he is going further

Luke 24:28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.

Just like Lot (with the angels) they themselves pressed him to abide with them (after his doctrine was opened up to them)

Luke 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

If they hadnt done that they would have not done unto the Lord

Its almost like the words he says they will say to him, "when saw we thee a stranger"and took ye in (or not in)

Angels unawares in that sense also,

Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Even as Jesus says that whoever receives anyone I send receives me and he that received me receives him that sent me

Same with Paul

Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Paul (one God had sent)

but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Jesus also said,

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

If they come in the name of muhammad you are certainly free to receive them, there are those who will do so

do you agree, we should help those in need? like the Samaritan in he story Jesus told?
tulc(is just checking) :wave:
 
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so you agree, we should help those in need, right? like the Samaritan in he story Jesus told?
tulc(is just checking) :wave:

Do I agree with other scripture? Yes, however my question wasnt on other scripture but on specific scripture you seem to be doing the macarena around which is typically how it goes around here
 
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Do I agree with other scripture? Yes, however my question wasnt on other scripture but on specific scripture you seem to be doing the macarena around which is typically how it goes around here

Gosh, did you miss the part where that was my point in earlier post? Where I said we needed to consider other Scriptures besides the one you first posted? That we have to balance them one with the other?
tulc(doesn't even know he steps to the macarena let alone is dancing it) :tutu:
 
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Or to put it another way...

Why does the US news hate Putin but Russian news love Putin?

And why did the US news ignore the German Church tossing out more cash to one region than the US Government passed out to the entire globe, or ignore years of the Vatican lobbying for immigrants, but all of a sudden find it "news" to report on every single thing the Pope says if they can tweak out of his words an attack on the Catholic Church?



I'm suggesting whoever controls the media becomes the puppet master of the people. And if the US media loves the Pope that might indicate whoever they associate with planted the Pope in power within the Church.

I'm even getting tired of seeing the Pope on yahoo news articles everyday. Prior to him becoming Pope the only ones the puppet masters in pure propaganda fashion (and it is propaganda, as an art form when you constantly spam the same messages in media and news) kept making as yahoo daily news was the homosexuals LGBTQ Movement. Now it's them and the Pope. Everyday. I feel like I'm living in Napoleon's France or Hitler's Germany.

Godwinned on the first page.

Holy mother of oppression batman! I can't stop myself reading the news, Curse you Rupert Murdoch!!
 
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Gosh, did you miss the part where that was my point in earlier post? Where I said we needed to consider other Scriptures besides the one you first posted? That we have to balance them one with the other?
tulc(doesn't even know he steps to the macarena let alone is dancing it) :tutu:

But I already had before narrowing it down.

Perhaps the Bishop did so as well, I cant say for sure.
 
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2 John 1:10-11
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine,
receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

John was referring to false teachers of the time...
Clarkes:
If there come any unto you - Under the character of an apostle or evangelist, to preach in your house; and bring not this doctrine, that Jesus is come in the flesh, and has died for the redemption of the world.

Receive him not unto your house - Give him no entertainment as an evangelical teacher. Let him not preach under your roof.

Neither bid him God speed - Και χαιρειν αυτῳ μη λεγερε· And do not say, Health to him - do not salute him with Peace be to thee! The usual salutation among friends and those of the same religion in the east is, Salam aleekum, "Peace be to you;" which those of the same religion will use among themselves, but never to strangers, except in very rare cases. This is the case to the present day; and, from what John says here, it was a very ancient custom. We have often seen that peace among the Hebrews comprehended every spiritual and temporal blessing. The words mean, according to the eastern use of them, "Have no religious connection with him, nor act towards him so as to induce others to believe you acknowledge him as a brother.

Barnes:
Receive him not into your house - This cannot mean that no acts of kindness, in any circumstances, were to be shown to such persons; but that there was to be nothing done which could be fairly construed as encouraging or countenancing them as "religious teachers." The true rule would seem to be, in regard to such persons, that, so far as we have contact with them as neighbors, or strangers, we are to be honest, true, kind, and just, but we are to do nothing that will countenance them as religious teachers, We are not to aid their instruction....

http://www.godvine.com/bible/2-john/1-10
 
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I asked the above because they would be of another doctrine correct?

And it says,

2 John 1:10-11
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine,
receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

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Did you know that in the early church there were itinerant preachers who traveled around and would often be welcomed into the church communities. Since church communities met and gathered in private homes--and usually the homes of the more well-to-do members, very often wealthy widows), this would also be the place where such traveling preachers would preach. This was a perfectly acceptable thing in the ancient Christian world. But not every traveling preacher and teacher was up to scratch, and so early Christian writers such as St. Paul and the writers of St. John's letters (among others) were emphatic to talk about right teaching and wrong teaching; and if there were false teachers, false preachers (read: false prophets) to not accept their teaching. Don't accept them into your house and feed them and support their false "ministry" because their work was not benefiting the Christian Church but doing injuring by turning people away from true faith.

So with these things in mind, let's take a look at 2 John, yup, the whole thing--it's okay, it's short!

"The elder to the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth, and not only I but also all who know the truth, because of the truth that abides in us and will be with us forever: Grace, mercy, and peace will be with us from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father's Son, in truth and love.

I was overjoyed to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we have been commanded by the Father. But now, dear lady, I ask you, not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but one we have had from the beginning, let us love one another. And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment just as you have heard it from the beginning—you must walk in it.

Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist! Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, but may receive a full reward. Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. Do not receive into the house or welcome anyone who comes to you and does not bring this teaching; for to welcome is to participate in the evil deeds of such a person.

Although I have much to write to you, I would rather not use paper and ink; instead I hope to come to you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete.

The children of your elect sister send you their greetings.
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Based on the content of both 1 and 2 John the general understanding is that the false teachers--the antichrists in question--were an early sect of Gnostics or Proto-Gnostics, specifically Docetists.

What did the Docetists believe? Well their name comes from the Greek word dokeo, meaning "to seem"; for they taught that Jesus only seemed to be have flesh, but was in truth a divine specter, an apparition. Thus they rejected that Jesus was a human being, but was a divine apparition--this from the writer's viewpoint was clearly not acceptable, and so instructs the matron of the church not to invite such persons into her home--into the church--and give them a place to preach and teach their heretical doctrines.

Isn't learning fun?

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I agree to that. This pope has been a dedicated practitioner of Tokenism from the day he took office, and this is another example. Everyone is supposed to be morally bound to take in all these migrants, but not Vatican City--a small but sovereign nation that could easily house and give refuge to hundreds--and not any of the Pope's other properties.
 
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