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The Greek word in each case is different and it is ginomaee, for the last time in Rev.Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
yes I always suspected he was just a little drunk with fear , awe, Love , hate.. all of it ..intense. and feeling very small in that moment.8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”
I always thought it strange after all the John has had revealed to him, he fell down to worship at the feet of the angel. Surely, my mind thinks, he of all people should know better. He is the beloved one of Yeshua. He is the blessed on to be the only living apostle. He is the one who in vision is given the grandiose view of all the will come to pass. He, up to this moment, has worshiped God.
yes I always suspected he was just a little drunk with fear , awe, Love , hate.. all of it ..intense. and feeling very small in that moment.
what he is doing is showing that he is thinking something like " everything is bigger badder and better than me.. I'm a worm " so he in his profound moment of being small. sees the angel was Bigger and badder than he should have . he just had all those visions of stuff just to Big to explain or understand From HIS " Yeshua "/ his best buddy , that nice guy who heals the sick and set the captive free..
I just saw fire shoot from his mouth ..
all the prophets talk about their moments of just confounded awe. for a few minutes I think they lose track of who they are in the face of what they are seeing . then he is also having to try related what he has just seen to the Yeshua he knows. the poor simple healer "that God raised from the dead" . so what a difference a dream( vision / day dream ? ) can make.
maybe I should have said bug. I don't have a clue what you are talking about.Perception can lead someone to misunderstand.
Deuteronomy 28:39 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
Deuteronomy 29:18 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
Exodus 16:20 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.
Exodus 16:24 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
Deuteronomy 28:39 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
Deuteronomy 29:18 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
Job 7:5 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken, and become loathsome.
Job 17:14 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister.
Job 19:26 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Job 21:26 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
They shall lie down alike in the dust, and the worms shall cover them.
Job 24:20 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
The womb shall forget him; the worm shall feed sweetly on him; he shall be no more remembered; and wickedness shall be broken as a tree.
Job 25:6 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
Psalms 22:6 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Proverbs 5:4 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context
But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword.
Proverbs Chapter 5 מִשְׁלֵי
א בְּנִי, לְחָכְמָתִי הַקְשִׁיבָה; לִתְבוּנָתִי, הַט-אָזְנֶךָ. 1 My son, attend unto my wisdom; incline thine ear to my understanding;
ב לִשְׁמֹר מְזִמּוֹת; וְדַעַת, שְׂפָתֶיךָ יִנְצֹרוּ. 2 That thou mayest preserve discretion, and that thy lips may keep knowledge.
ג כִּי נֹפֶת תִּטֹּפְנָה, שִׂפְתֵי זָרָה; וְחָלָק מִשֶּׁמֶן חִכָּהּ. 3 For the lips of a strange woman drop honey, and her mouth is smoother than oil;
ד וְאַחֲרִיתָהּ, מָרָה כַלַּעֲנָה; חַדָּה, כְּחֶרֶב פִּיּוֹת. 4 But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword.
ה רַגְלֶיהָ, יֹרְדוֹת מָוֶת; שְׁאוֹל, צְעָדֶיהָ יִתְמֹכוּ. 5 Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on the nether-world;
ו אֹרַח חַיִּים, פֶּן-תְּפַלֵּס; נָעוּ מַעְגְּלֹתֶיהָ, לֹא תֵדָע. 6 Lest she should walk the even path of life, her ways wander, but she knoweth it not. {P}
ז וְעַתָּה בָנִים, שִׁמְעוּ-לִי; וְאַל-תָּסוּרוּ, מֵאִמְרֵי-פִי. 7 Now therefore, O ye children, hearken unto me, and depart not from the words of my mouth.
ח הַרְחֵק מֵעָלֶיהָ דַרְכֶּךָ; וְאַל-תִּקְרַב, אֶל-פֶּתַח בֵּיתָהּ. 8 Remove thy way far from her, and come not nigh the door of her house;
ט פֶּן-תִּתֵּן לַאֲחֵרִים הוֹדֶךָ; וּשְׁנֹתֶיךָ, לְאַכְזָרִי. 9 Lest thou give thy vigour unto others, and thy years unto the cruel;
י פֶּן-יִשְׂבְּעוּ זָרִים כֹּחֶךָ; וַעֲצָבֶיךָ, בְּבֵית נָכְרִי. 10 Lest strangers be filled with thy strength, and thy labours be in the house of an alien;
יא וְנָהַמְתָּ בְאַחֲרִיתֶךָ; בִּכְלוֹת בְּשָׂרְךָ, וּשְׁאֵרֶךָ. 11 And thou moan, when thine end cometh, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed,
יב וְאָמַרְתָּ--אֵיךְ, שָׂנֵאתִי מוּסָר; וְתוֹכַחַת, נָאַץ לִבִּי. 12 And say: 'How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof;
יג וְלֹא-שָׁמַעְתִּי, בְּקוֹל מוֹרָי; וְלִמְלַמְּדַי, לֹא-הִטִּיתִי אָזְנִי. 13 Neither have I hearkened to the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me!
יד כִּמְעַט, הָיִיתִי בְכָל-רָע-- בְּתוֹךְ קָהָל וְעֵדָה. 14 I was well nigh in all evil in the midst of the congregation and assembly.'
טו שְׁתֵה-מַיִם מִבּוֹרֶךָ; וְנֹזְלִים, מִתּוֹךְ בְּאֵרֶךָ. 15 Drink waters out of thine own cistern, and running waters out of thine own well.
טז יָפוּצוּ מַעְיְנֹתֶיךָ חוּצָה; בָּרְחֹבוֹת, פַּלְגֵי-מָיִם. 16 Let thy springs be dispersed abroad, and courses of water in the streets.
יז יִהְיוּ-לְךָ לְבַדֶּךָ; וְאֵין לְזָרִים אִתָּךְ. 17 Let them be only thine own, and not strangers' with thee.
יח יְהִי-מְקוֹרְךָ בָרוּךְ; וּשְׂמַח, מֵאֵשֶׁת נְעוּרֶךָ. 18 Let thy fountain be blessed; and have joy of the wife of thy youth.
יט אַיֶּלֶת אֲהָבִים, וְיַעֲלַת-חֵן:
דַּדֶּיהָ, יְרַוֻּךָ בְכָל-עֵת; בְּאַהֲבָתָהּ, תִּשְׁגֶּה תָמִיד. 19 A lovely hind and a graceful doe, {N}
let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; with her love be thou ravished always.
כ וְלָמָּה תִשְׁגֶּה בְנִי בְזָרָה; וּתְחַבֵּק, חֵק נָכְרִיָּה. 20 Why then wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of an alien?
כא כִּי נֹכַח, עֵינֵי יְהוָה--דַּרְכֵי-אִישׁ; וְכָל-מַעְגְּלֹתָיו מְפַלֵּס. 21 For the ways of man are before the eyes of the LORD, and He maketh even all his paths.
כב עֲווֹנֹתָיו--יִלְכְּדֻנוֹ אֶת-הָרָשָׁע; וּבְחַבְלֵי חַטָּאתוֹ, יִתָּמֵךְ. 22 His own iniquities shall ensnare the wicked, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sin.
כג הוּא--יָמוּת, בְּאֵין מוּסָר; וּבְרֹב אִוַּלְתּוֹ יִשְׁגֶּה. 23 He shall die for lack of instruction; and in the greatness of his folly he shall reel. {P}
maybe I should have said bug. I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Just looking out for you.http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseac...by-Their-Worm-Does-Not-Die-Mark-944-46-48.htmmaybe I should have said bug. I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
yes I truly love Revelation not because he gives us pictures of the end times. but it is the only book with a blessing attached for just reading it .. in it we learn who he is why it has to be done in his way . if for no other reason that it inspires so many questions it becomes the catalyst for a on going relationship that changes us, always changes us . I think the more we know of him the more we understand the Book that explains him/ the right arm most . and the laws that govern who he is and who we are.BACKGROUND
I have always considered the Book of the Revelation of Yeshua to John on Patmos the greatest written text in existence.
For a long time I have considered the final chapter of Revelation particularly important.
It's importance derives from it being the last chapter in the last book. This is his final words to mankind. His last message.
Possibly, some epistle could have been written after this. Maybe, chronologically speaking, it is not the final Inspired Word of God to make it into text format.
But it is very clear - to me - that Revelation is intended to be placed, both physically and (more importantly) conceptually, as the last book in a collection of books.
And of course, God might speak to us spiritually at any moment. But as regards the revealed Word placed into hierotextual format, Rev. 22 is the last installment, as I see it.
PURPOSE
The purpose of this thread is to provide a specific avenue for studies and contemplations relating specifically to the last chapter of the Bible, the last chapter of the Word of God.
Particularly, I will be looking at this chapter not just as a chapter unto itself, but specifically analyzing it in light of its being the final chapter.
Formatting choices:
Instead of paragraphs I decided making each verse (according to their traditional versification) its own paragraph, as making it into smaller units facilitates both reading as well as serious analysis and study thereof. It will be easier to notice patterns, contrasts, juxtapositions, repetitions, development of ideas, etc.
I decided to incorporate the red letter format, whereby the utterances traditionally ascribed to Yeshua are colored red. It appears to me the red letters Bibles sometimes inaccurately ascribe certain utterances to Yeshua, but, while prone to flaws, it can be a useful tool for study purposes.
The red letter format helps us to specifically focus in on the last words of Yeshua to mankind. As an example, the study of this subject could lead us to compare or contrast his "last words" to the Disciples, at his Ascension from the mount of olives, or the "last words" on the cross, or the "last words" prior to that, at the last supper.
Warning:
If you believe the Revelation of John (as it is usually called) is actually not the final book of the Bible, and / or that Rev. 22 is not the final chapter, then obviously this thread is not for you. That being said, I'm aware that other Biblical texts may have been written after Revelation, yet nevertheless find Revelation to be clearly inteded to be placed last in the collection of books. So it is - at least - conceptually the last book.
THE FULL TEXT OF THE REVELATION OF YESHUA TO JOHN, CH. 22
Ca. 95 CE.
1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.
3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
6The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”
7“Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”
8I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.
9But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”
10Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.
11Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”
12“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.
13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
16“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.
19And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.
ok so bug was better.. I meant he had to feel small in a very big plan.Just looking out for you.http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseac...by-Their-Worm-Does-Not-Die-Mark-944-46-48.htm
I try not to reveal to much of what I have learned from the Holy Spirit. It is a shyness of mine. I was trying to Hint. I just didnt want to take the discovery away. But sometimes I am haste. Please forgive my lack of clarity. Perspective is a word I gave for a reason.ok so bug was better.. I meant he had to feel small in a very big plan.
seems you haven't been through the maggot phase yet.. well then you have that to look forward too.I try not to reveal to much of what I have learned from the Holy Spirit. It is a shyness of mine. I was trying to Hint. I just didnt want to take the discovery away. But sometimes I am haste. Please forgive my lack of clarity. Perspective is a word I gave for a reason.
This Book shook me to my bones...
When you Read Job you will see 4 Men come to him during His sorrow. One speaks of the worm.
Job Chapter 25
וַיַּעַן, בִּלְדַּד הַשֻּׁחִי; וַיֹּאמַר. 1 {S} Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said:
ב הַמְשֵׁל וָפַחַד עִמּוֹ; עֹשֶׂה שָׁלוֹם, בִּמְרוֹמָיו. 2 Dominion and fear are with Him; He maketh peace in His high places.
ג הֲיֵשׁ מִסְפָּר, לִגְדוּדָיו; וְעַל-מִי, לֹא-יָקוּם אוֹרֵהוּ. 3 Is there any number of His armies? And upon whom doth not His light arise?
ד וּמַה-יִּצְדַּק אֱנוֹשׁ עִם-אֵל; וּמַה-יִּזְכֶּה, יְלוּד אִשָּׁה. 4 How then can man be just with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
ה הֵן עַד-יָרֵחַ, וְלֹא יַאֲהִיל; וְכוֹכָבִים, לֹא-זַכּוּ בְעֵינָיו. 5 Behold, even the moon hath no brightness, and the stars are not pure in His sight;
ו אַף, כִּי-אֱנוֹשׁ רִמָּה; וּבֶן-אָדָם, תּוֹלֵעָה. 6 How much less man, that is a worm! and the son of man, that is a maggot!
Job Chapter 26 אִיּוֹב
א וַיַּעַן אִיּוֹב, וַיֹּאמַר. 1 {S} Then Job answered and said:
so yes but I think all of the hells and deaths from all times and all ages get emptied by his presence . the point of these places mankind created by their own choices was where all those powers and authorities and kings all those people who "do their own thing "could go to hide from God.. but when LIFE and His light , his breath enters sleep/ death / hell/ the hells/ all of them will be they be emptied right ? where he is is LIFE . where they all have been is in man's hiding places that man chose to exist away from God and his light and life .. I mean if God / His life / His light gets to close they just go commit suicide so they can hide there in the darkness mankind created .Actually I was taught the verse you are referring to in all likelihood did not refer to the dead humans, but rather to evil spirits (particularly the fallen angels mentioned in Enoch) who were imprisoned in the days of Noah.
The days of Noah, as Enoch records, is when the evil spirits started to work upon the earth.
They were swiftly imprisoned by God, and subsequently Yeshua went to call some of those evil spirits to repentance.