Structure of the Attacks Against Ben Carson

I was poor for a good part of my childhood. I lived in a housing project for awhile and got free gifts from charities at Christmas, etc. I also got lots of financial aid for college and even attended a less expensive "Historic Black College" after integration. A little-known fact is that desegregation meant that white students started going to Black colleges (located in the blue states below).


Some people, like Dr. Carson, use the programs for the poor and then later decry their use by future generations. Were it not for welfare programs, Dr. Carson would be the smartest janitor in the local hospital.

cow451 said:

Some people, like Dr. Carson, use the programs for the poor and then later decry their use by future generations. Were it not for welfare programs, Dr. Carson would be the smartest janitor in the local hospital.

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Argument fail ...

NightHawkeye said:

Argument fail ...

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Typical White version of "Negro History" as taught in the 1960's minus Booker T. Washington. Having gone to a "Black" college for a couple of years I learned more in the first month about Black History than anywhere else.

Somehow citing the few exceptional climbers excuses the discrimination of the many. I was speaking specifically about Ben Carson, one who could learn a great deal from Carver about humility.

cow451 said:

Typical White version of "Negro History" as taught in the 1960's minus Booker T. Washington. Having gone to a "Black" college for a couple of years I learned more in the first month about Black History than anywhere else.

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Yes yes, "White version" of history, rather than just history. Ad hominem fallacy.

Somehow citing the few exceptional climbers excuses the discrimination of the many. I was speaking specifically about Ben Carson, one who could learn a great deal from Carver about humility.

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Carson is a rather modest person in dismeanor.

Sistrin said:

My initial response to this is posted in the comments section.

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Wait, what? That was it? Your response to the responses to you was to just quote a few words of the Declaration of Independence?

cow451 said:

Typical White version of "Negro History" as taught in the 1960's minus Booker T. Washington. Having gone to a "Black" college for a couple of years I learned more in the first month about Black History than anywhere else.

Somehow citing the few exceptional climbers excuses the discrimination of the many. I was speaking specifically about Ben Carson, one who could learn a great deal from Carver about humility.

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Yeah, Carson needs you to lecture him.

I like Ben for many of the same reasons i like Herman Cain. They are both accomplished, and very articulate. Neither had a career in politics. I like listening to both of them, and would consider either to be a good alternative to the typical POLITICIAN we usually get.

No one will get a pres.that only thinks as they do, even if THEY, THEMSELVES, were elected. The people who really run things will quickly show anyone there what they are allowed to think or do. (Notice how close buddies Bush and Clinton are now?!?!? Working for the same goals in the final analysis.) The best of them, or the ones most likely to change things to better US, will be gotten rid of if possible. The ones who were the best in this manner had attempts on their lives. Andrew Jackson had multiple attempts, and others had attempts on their lives, too.

nightflight said:

Yeah, Carson needs you to lecture him.

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Absolutely.

cow451 said:

Somehow citing the few exceptional climbers excuses the discrimination of the many. I was speaking specifically about Ben Carson, one who could learn a great deal from Carver about humility.

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Seems that because a handful of people overcame deplorable conditions, it justifies inflicting them on the rest. What say we apply that logic to "Christian Persecution" and see how the Religious Right fare without special protection?

TLK Valentine said:

Seems that because a handful of people overcame deplorable conditions, it justifies inflicting them on the rest. What say we apply that logic to "Christian Persecution" and see how the Religious Right fare without special protection?

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Sounds good to me.

Sistrin said:

EDIT: It is still there, just buried in over a hundred new comments. Someone turned the thread into a Global Warming debate.

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Flaming is a major contributor to global warming. Not to say you are flaming, because you are often one of the more cerebral posters, even when you are in error. Just a general statement.

cow451 said:

Flaming is a major contributor to global warming.

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And a well documented one ...

NightHawkeye said:

And a well documented one ...

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LOL.

cow451 said:

I was poor for a good part of my childhood. I lived in a housing project for awhile and got free gifts from charities at Christmas, etc. I also got lots of financial aid for college and even attended a less expensive "Historic Black College" after integration. A little-known fact is that desegregation meant that white students started going to Black colleges (located in the blue states below).

Some people, like Dr. Carson, use the programs for the poor and then later decry their use by future generations.

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Were it not for welfare programs, Dr. Carson would be the smartest janitor in the local hospital.

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Or spent much of his earnings paying off a couple hundred thousand dollars in school loans.
My white son and his Asian wife are still thousands in debt in school loans, they are both in a medical field.
My three white daughters were also thousands in debt, two have paid off those debts and the third is still working on it.

The Barbarian said:

Carson's biggest problem is his referral of patients to abortion providers.

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According to the WP, he's also done research using tissue from aborted fetuses. And though he's personally opposed to abortion, he doesn't seem to support criminalization. (Which I think is the same as Donald Trump's position.) He also may be a little soft on the 2nd Amendment. He's apparently suggested he could support a ban on semi-automatic weapons in urban areas. (As a pediatric neurosurgeon, I'm sure that treating head-shot kids has influenced his views.) He doesn't appear to toe the standard conservative line 100%. And neither does Trump. So it's quite intriguing that these two are leading in polls of Republican voters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-guide-to-what-ben-carson-actually-believes/

jayem said:

According to the WP, he's also done research using tissue from aborted fetuses. And though he's personally opposed to abortion, he doesn't seem to support criminalization. (Which I think is the same as Donald Trump's position.) He also may be a little soft on the 2nd Amendment. He's apparently suggested he could support a ban on semi-automatic weapons in urban areas. (As a pediatric neurosurgeon, I'm sure that treating head-shot kids has influenced his views.) He doesn't appear to toe the standard conservative line 100%. And neither does Trump. So it's quite intriguing that these two are leading in polls of Republican voters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-guide-to-what-ben-carson-actually-believes/

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It is interesting how conservatives are leaning. As I have read more of Carson's responses, he tends to fire off something that gets a sound bite, then backpeddles to a more moderate stance. One problem, likely his undoing, is that he is a moderate Republican in most respects that has been promoted as a conservative.

However, his economic policy "mentions" are very poorly thought out, IMHO.

Hank77 said:

... My white son and his Asian wife are still thousands in debt in school loans, they are both in a medical field.
My three white daughters were also thousands in debt, two have paid off those debts and the third is still working on it.

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May the LORD bless each with a good career, and much job satisfaction. Not sure it will be a given, seeing what is soon to become of our Medical System in this country. I just am hoping the best for them.

Hank77 said:

Or spent much of his earnings paying off a couple hundred thousand dollars in school loans.
My white son and his Asian wife are still thousands in debt in school loans, they are both in a medical field.
My three white daughters were also thousands in debt, two have paid off those debts and the third is still working on it.

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You must be proud of them. Now, how are your Black and Hispanic children doing?

cow451 said:

You must be proud of them. Now, how are your Black and Hispanic children doing?

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I am not offended, your point is well taken.
My point was that because of financial aid programs, such as Stafford loans, and low interest Student loans, my kids were able to go to college and succeed, just as you were. Even though they had to pay back with interest all of those monies.

I don't know for sure how much debt, if any, Ben Carson had from receiving his education, but he did take advantage of programs, such as college grants that are only available to students in minorities. I don't have any issues with that, I'm glad they were there for him.
However when I hear him say things like he thinks we should end affirmative action programs, programs that he benefited from, I do have a problem with that.
How could they have been a benefit to him but be holding back minorities today?