The seperation of light and darkness will be a two way street.

ToBeLoved · Sep 6, 2015

Gideons300 said:
As the clock winds down, as a whole, His bride as yet knows nothing of putting on the new man. We have accepted defeat as the norm and amazingly concluded that this somehow magnifies grace. We are wrong. Without this appropriating act of faith, we have walked with no defense against satan. Thus, following the desires of our flesh, the end result has been, well.... pride, idleness and fullness of bread, right? But for those called to be saints, change is in the wind. Big changes are coming. GLORIOUS changes, changes so amazing that if our eyes did not see it, we would never believe it.

Now this is more your style, the let's put on our 'new man' speech. Well sorry to correct you but when we were saved we all became new creatures so this let's now put on a new man is incorrect. We have been made new by Him in us, not by us.

Gideons300 · Sep 6, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
Why are you thinking that I said that? That is not what I said at all.

No one but the Father knows the time that Jesus will be coming back and all that will happen and does happen is within His will and within His time.

To you that means that I am saying that we should walk with the enemy? You should know me better than that, I am rather insulted by this insinuation.

What I said don't jump the shark was this idea that the sky is falling and that the end is not preordained by God. If we are His servants we all do His will.

Don't insinuate that someone else is not doing the will of God or bowing to the enemy just because I don't agree with you. Is that what this thread is becoming? You are getting way off course to what this thread is about. Is it to hear yourself talk or to get others opinions along with your own? And please quote me correctly next time!

Sister, I think you are misunderstanding what I meant by that comment.What you said was "When God is ready, things will happen." Correct? This thread is concerning the needed change coming as we all awake to what God has had for us all along. You did not mention the second coming, so I assumed you meant what many here seem to believe, that God's will is going to be done no matter what, so why sweat it? If that is not what you meant, then I simply misunderstood what you were saying, but please believe me that I meant no disrespect, and sincerely apologize if you took it otherwise. I was not attacking or insulting you, and if you took it as if I was, please forgive me.

I was simply reminding us all that we are told that when we draw near unto God, He draws near unto us. If we want revival, if we want to walk closer to God, if we want to see the church made holy as a witness to the perishing in these last days, now is the time to seek Him. It is our privilege to seek His face, but how many of us can say we have given all diligence in crying out for God to set us free indeed just as He said.

People will answer "But I am free. I am saved." But the question is.... are they safe? This is how Jesus defined "freedom".

"He that commits sin is a servant of sin."

The freedom He promised was not just freedom from guilt, but freedom from the power sin has had over us since the day we came into this world.

You made your ending statement that said "If we are His servants, we all do His will." So the question we truly need to look at is "Are we doing His will, or our own?" God's will is that we sin not, that we know how to possess our vessels in sanctification and honor, that we walk out our time here as living sacrifices, that we love not the world, neither the things that are in the world, that we hate our old self ruling nature. But dear sister, as a whole we all know that is not the case at all, do we not? In fact we are taught that true full obedience is impossible, and if that is the standard it will discourage new believers. What we do not tell them, because we do not yet understand, is God will lift us up to make us live the standard, praise God! Do we not see it is past time for us to awake to righteousness, and sin not? God is waiting on us....not visa versa.

Here is the truth. The sky is not falling.....yet. But because we think we cannot lose what God has graciously given us, hw many are not watching in this late hour and the thief is coming to steal our treasure. It is time we all understood how far we are from the rest that remains for the people of God, walking as overcomers when the enemy comes in like a flood.

Please believe me when I say I was not singling you out at all, and ask your forgiveness if you took it that way. ALL have slept. Heck, I snored the loudest! And when each one finally sees the danger of that position, and heart cries go up to heaven for God to revive each of us again, God will indeed not fail us. Let our hearts cry out to be delivered from a life lived in Romans 7 and deliver us from evil, deliver us from the power of darkness, not just its stain. Let us admit that we are not walking out the will of God, and in truth, do not even believe such a walk is possible. When we do, and with broken hearts ask Him to make us overcomers, victors over the world, the flesh and the devil, we will be more amazed than even the world at the transformation God performs in us.

Blessings, dear sister and again, my apologies for any misunderstanding.

Gideon

Gideons300 · Sep 6, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
Now this is more your style, the let's put on our 'new man' speech. Well sorry to correct you but when we were saved we all became new creatures so this let's now put on a new man is incorrect. We have been made new by Him in us, not by us.

And in truth, you are right. True children of God were made new. But especially in the west, we have missed the part that activates it. We must put it on and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof. How many there are who know nothing of the power of the armor of God, or the safety of seeing the shield of faith quench ALL the fiery arrows of the enemy.

Are we walking in the spirit or walking in the flesh? Here is the acid test. Walk in the spirit and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. So if we are servants of God, and even after 10 years of walking with Him find willful disobedience in our hearts at times, shall we assume this is the best God can do? Is it the best we can do?

We must be careful because to whom much is given, much is required. If we are still up to old man tricks, something is wrong, especially that it seems not to bother the heck out of us.

Blessings,

Gids

joshua 1 9 · Sep 6, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
No one but the Father knows the time that Jesus will be coming back

Actually in Matthew 24 Jesus was talking about when the Temple would be demolished and that took place in 70 AD. This was a shadow and a type of what will take place at the end of the Church age. We know the Church age will last for two days or 2000 years, so we are very close to the end of the age. The main thing to ask is the Bride ready for Jesus to come for her. I don't think she is ready yet.

24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

joshua 1 9 · Sep 6, 2015

Gideons300 said:
In fact we are taught that true full obedience is impossible,

Some churches teach we can live free from sin and they ask what sin is it that God is not able to deliver people from. "For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." The wages of sin is death so in order for the Bride to excape death the Bride will need to be living free from sin. Without spot, blemish or wrinkle. Through the oil of the anointing of the Holy Spirit of God.

Messy · Sep 7, 2015

joshua 1 9 said:
Biology tells us that all flesh on the earth is related. So where do the angels fit into the tree of life?

That's why I thought the flesh they took on to eat and such was not related, but strange flesh, heavenly or something.

Messy · Sep 7, 2015

joshua 1 9 said:
Angels do not have flesh, Jesus said: "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Some people try to say there were exceptions but I go by what Jesus said about it.

Yes then we also have a heavenly body.

Zugzwang · Sep 7, 2015

joshua 1 9 said:
Biology tells us that all flesh on the earth is related. So where do the angels fit into the tree of life?

I'm not arguing we're related with angels or not. All i am saying is angels were prepared meals. FALLEN angels produced the nephilim. (Gen 6) So how you square that is on you, but it is in the word.

joshua 1 9 · Sep 7, 2015

Zugzwang said:
I'm not arguing we're related with angels or not. All i am saying is angels were prepared meals. FALLEN angels produced the nephilim. (Gen 6) So how you square that is on you, but it is in the word.

That is your interpretation of the word not mine.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God.3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.…John 1

Gideons300 · Sep 7, 2015

I suspect we will all find out shortly whether the angels have flesh, LOL. But the question posed in this post is this:

Do I still have my flesh?

And if the answer is yes, if sin.... specifically willful disobedience... is still a part of my life, then the next question is:

Am I trying with all that is within me to find the way to kill it?

I believe we are the fulfillment of the word that says "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he." The word tells us that the old us died when Christ died. Paul tells us that we are no longer in the flesh but in the spirit and owe the flesh nothing. We do not HAVE to sin. Yet is this what we see in today's church? Let's be bone honest. If the same standard of purity were ours today as it was when Ananias and Saphira chose to bring sin back into the church, how would we fair? I think it would be a slaughter. Our standard of walking in Him is simply not theirs in the early church. Do we have a deeper revelation of grace or were they simply being taught by grace to deny ungodliness an worldly lusts, just as God tells us it will?

I cannot stress it enough. If we are walking in the flesh still, our temper still flaring, our envy and jealousy, although ell hidden, still wanting more, if lust for pleasure of one sort or another is a driving force in our life, we cannot please Him. Cannot. We can praise Him on Sundays, weep with the best of them, speak in tongues or even be in the ministry, but if there is not a concerted effort to overcome these sins, we are fooling ourselves. We are not fooling God however.

The call is going forth. He is tells us it is time to wake up. Danger lurks and it is no joke. But praise God, joy unspeakable awaits all who will admit their lack, their need, their compromise, their disobedience. We are not being asked to surrender totally to Christ so that we can be more miserable. On the contrary, what He is about to awaken us to will simply boggle our minds.

We can ignore his call, tell ourselves that all is well, and that there is no condemnation, but we are not talking condemnation here, but conviction. In the valley of decision, this is the final opportunity to make a choice. Darkness or light. Either make the tree good or make the tree evil. God is asking for a choice, but refusing to make a choice is making a choice. How it pleasing our Father when we, like the prodigal, return to Him in brokenness and repentance, with no answers but with a heart crying out for deliverance. When we have the prodigals heart and tell our father, "I do not deserve to be a son, Lord. Just let me serve you.", it is then that we will be blessed with the full joy of walking as overcomers.

Think for a minute. How is it possible we can justify our walks in Romans 7 as if we are just like Paul? Paul was in disobedience, but what came with it was total despair, resulting a broken, wretched man, because he could not please God with his walk. It KILLED him. He truly hated who the old Paul was, self centered, self willed, religious but not righteous. And it is there we have missed it. We are in the same boat, but our hearts are so far from Paul's it is not even funny. We must wake up.

Is it not strange that we hear few if any cries in our posts sayimg "Help! I cannot stop sinning!" Why? We simply do not believe it possible, and besides, everyone else is doing it and not in despair, so I must be ok. We have confused imperfections with sin. Should our state not concern us? Should that not be the beat of our heart, to live for Him, to please Him and obey Him in all we do? It should. It just doesn't.

Blessings,

Gideon

ToBeLoved · Sep 8, 2015

There is more that separates us from the world than sin. Love is stronger than sin.

Gideons300 · Sep 8, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
There is more that separates us from the world than sin. Love is stronger than sin.

Amen to that. But how many have found that because willful sin is still an issue in their lives, the heart is hardened so that it cannot love as we are called to do so. We do not love God with our whole hearts, for there is a portion reserved for us, for the sins and pleasures the world offers we do not want to part ways with, Neither do we love others as we love ourselves. The truth is that we pretty much only love those who love us back. As to loving our enemies, it simply is a nice goal, but an unattainable one.

If love is stronger than sin, then do we not need an outpouring of God's love into our hearts so that we want to stop our willful sins, and not rest content to be forgiven without any heart cry for a holy nature?

Blessings,

Gids

FoundInGrace · Sep 8, 2015

Sad that the church is never good enough, especially the spirit filled forum. No other forum gets told off for not being good enough as much as this one.

My Father in heaven accepts me and loves me unconditionally. He knows the efforts I put in for Him and doesnt berate me those times I fail but instead in those times helps me get back on track with incredible compassion and mercy. He knows my heart and walks with me as my friend helping encourage me not drag me down. I am so glad that I have been given this mercy and grace to know this about Him and to have experienced His kindness.

I pray others here will also be given the chance to experience that also and not just be continually told they are failing as the church because many believers who are already in the trenches for the Lord working hard seeking to do what He has called them to do and as a result people are coming to know the Lord. We are having baptisms regularly at my church, the teaching from the Word of God is balanced and for that I am deeply grateful. God is working and has been for a long time in and through the church I go to. When God first freed me I believe He put me in this church because He knew it was where I needed to be and where He had designed me to be so I could be involved in what He was doing and be encouraged that despite my flaws God can use me anyway (and incredibly because He is God and I am not) He uses me anyway.

So for all those who are in need of encouragement because you are in the trenches doing your best for the Lord please do be encouraged, thank you for getting involved and giving your time and energy to do what God has called you to do.

ToBeLoved · Sep 8, 2015

FoundInGrace said:
Sad that the church is never good enough, especially the spirit filled forum. No other forum gets told off for not being good enough as much as this one.

My Father in heaven accepts me and loves me unconditionally. He knows the efforts I put in for Him and doesnt berate me those times I fail but instead in those times helps me get back on track with incredible compassion and mercy. He knows my heart and walks with me as my friend helping encourage me not drag me down. I am so glad that I have been given this mercy and grace to know this about Him and to have experienced His kindness.

I pray others here will also be given the chance to experience that also and not just be continually told they are failing as the church because many believers who are already in the trenches for the Lord working hard seeking to do what He has called them to do and as a result people are coming to know the Lord. We are having baptisms regularly at my church, the teaching from the Word of God is balanced and for that I am deeply grateful. God is working and has been for a long time in and through the church I go to. When God first freed me I believe He put me in this church because He knew it was where I needed to be and where He had designed me to be so I could be involved in what He was doing and be encouraged that despite my flaws God can use me anyway (and incredibly because He is God and I am not) He uses me anyway.

So for all those who are in need of encouragement because you are in the trenches doing your best for the Lord please do be encouraged, thank you for getting involved and giving your time and energy to do what God has called you to do.

Sin is one of the main control mechanisms of abusive churches these days. It get's the person to concentrate on themselves and their sins and away from the important work that God has given us to do. I think the narrow path that the bible talks about is for the less self-centered Christian who is beyond thinking that the entire kingdom of God is going to fall down each time they sin. Some like to play pastor/teacher and regurgitate what is in their own hearts and minds. Maybe it makes them feel better, I just move around to other subforums who have more interesting discussions.

You are RIGHT. You can always find self-centered sin talk here. What do they feel guilty about? Hmmm.

They scare away any new visitors we have with what seems like an overly self-righteous attitude. It's sad really.

Alithis · Sep 8, 2015

FoundInGrace said:
Sad that the church is never good enough, especially the spirit filled forum. No other forum gets told off for not being good enough as much as this one.

My Father in heaven accepts me and loves me unconditionally. He knows the efforts I put in for Him and doesnt berate me those times I fail but instead in those times helps me get back on track with incredible compassion and mercy. He knows my heart and walks with me as my friend helping encourage me not drag me down. I am so glad that I have been given this mercy and grace to know this about Him and to have experienced His kindness.

I pray others here will also be given the chance to experience that also and not just be continually told they are failing as the church because many believers who are already in the trenches for the Lord working hard seeking to do what He has called them to do and as a result people are coming to know the Lord. We are having baptisms regularly at my church, the teaching from the Word of God is balanced and for that I am deeply grateful. God is working and has been for a long time in and through the church I go to. When God first freed me I believe He put me in this church because He knew it was where I needed to be and where He had designed me to be so I could be involved in what He was doing and be encouraged that despite my flaws God can use me anyway (and incredibly because He is God and I am not) He uses me anyway.

So for all those who are in need of encouragement because you are in the trenches doing your best for the Lord please do be encouraged, thank you for getting involved and giving your time and energy to do what God has called you to do.

it is because he accepts us through the blood of the lord JEsus ONLY and no merit of our own .. that he then continually works in us to transform us into his image -NEVER to leave us as we are and that requires obedience to him ,surrendering to him..
So no .. at present the church is not good enough .the evidence of this is clear .. and yes the lord WILL take care of this .. but it will drive the chaff out .

Alithis · Sep 8, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
Sin is one of the main control mechanisms of abusive churches these days. It get's the person to concentrate on themselves and their sins and away from the important work that God has given us to do. I think the narrow path that the bible talks about is for the less self-centered Christian who is beyond thinking that the entire kingdom of God is going to fall down each time they sin. Some like to play pastor/teacher and regurgitate what is in their own hearts and minds. Maybe it makes them feel better, I just move around to other subforums who have more interesting discussions.

You are RIGHT. You can always find self-centered sin talk here. What do they feel guilty about? Hmmm.

They scare away any new visitors we have with what seems like an overly self-righteous attitude. It's sad really.

people who love the truth of the lord JEsus can never be driven away . only those who are offended by the lord jesus .

ToBeLoved · Sep 8, 2015

Alithis said:
people who love the truth of the lord JEsus can never be driven away . only those who are offended by the lord jesus .

I know you don't really believe that. Many, many new people have come to this subforum for a little while and then leave.

Don't make this about Jesus. That conversation will go downhill quick. Jesus talked way more about love than sin. Way more about mercy than repremand.

Chicken Little · Sep 8, 2015

Johnlove1 said:
Tell me when Jesus killed all those in the flood, do you believe Noah was supposed to feel sorry for them?

How about when God killed all those people in Sodom, do you believe the Lot was to feel sorry for them?

I feel sorry for them but I won't mourn long... but I think he will !! and did mourn for Jerusalem when we saw what would happen to her over the next 2000 years .. sure he mourned for those people. I mean even look at king David .. his people have to jump him for mourning too long for his family that were rebellious ( both his sons went into rebellion Absalom and Adjonah?????( having a old moment) both rebelled against David directly ).. I think the Lord is going to be that way too once he has no choice but to finally do it. we get a hint of it when Jesus was here how he would go off by himself to carry the pain in those people. . you cant look at those people and not know He Loves them too but Love doesn't change some people's will. and HE can't keep letting rich freaky fringes rule the faithful forever. that can't go on .

probinson · Sep 8, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
Many, many new people have come to this subforum for a little while and then leave.

It could be because that's just the way the Internet works. If you're not aware of the 1% rule, it explains this phenomenon quite well;

"In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website actively create new content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk..." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%_rule_(Internet_culture)

I know we'd all like to believe that whatever it is that bothers us about this forum is also the reason why no one sticks around, but that's probably not true.

ToBeLoved · Sep 8, 2015

probinson said:
It could be because that's just the way the Internet works. If you're not aware of the 1% rule, it explains this phenomenon quite well;

"In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website actively create new content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk..." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%_rule_(Internet_culture)

I know we'd all like to believe that whatever it is that bothers us about this forum is also the reason why no one sticks around, but that's probably not true.

Well but the truth is I'm only comparing it to other sub forums here on CF, so I don't think that is true.

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