Is the Great Falling Away Already Underway?

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"There is much talk about Christ’s soon Second Coming. But we know that Jesus will not return for a church without spot or wrinkle unless the falling away comes first … (1 Thess. 2:3). Although it’s nothing entirely new, we are indeed witnessing a fast-progressing departure from sound doctrine and a holy life."
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The other night at the grocery I helped an elderly man with something. As we were there in the parking lot, late at night since the store closed at 10 p.m. , we got to taking about current events as relate to Bible prophecy.

"It's easy to get frustrated, even angry. " He said "But, I don't know if you're religious, maybe you're not, but it's all in the Bible. Everything that's happening is in the scriptures.
"Yes, it is." I said "That's why I'm not afraid. It is all foretold. The Christian simply has to realize where they are in their walk and breathe. God knows and we're here for the ride he's determined is necessary to show the skeptics and the world who's in charge."

Are you afraid? Mad? Compelled to tell those who find the most benign thing offensive and worthy of public attack and removal from public view to blow it out their tail pipe?
Like the school child just recently. They had a Wonder Woman lunch box and were sent home due to that. It displayed violence and was against school policy.

Rather than concede to such stupidity in schools our taxes support, parents should return their child to that same school while in the company of an attorney. Make an example of stupidity and their offspring will get the hint not to mess with kids.

Meanwhile, what do you think? For older members, have you seen the changes that are happening in American society occur as rapidly as they are today?
It seems that what use to take generations to occur is now happening in blocks of months or a few years.

Churches turning from the Bible and to the world. Something that I never imagined I'd see. And I was raised in the church. But it seems like every month we're reading of a new turning away by a different denomination.

Scared? Ready? Excited? Prepared?
Thoughts?
 

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There was a falling away in the church back in the Middle Ages before Martin Luther was used by God to bring a return to God.
There no doubt will be another one. Right now America seems kinda dry, but other places in the world has a lot of people that are
excited and living for God.
 
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That's very good to know about other parts of the world.
I think there's still life in the Christian community in America. I just think that right now the radical atheists, and the immoral agenda push makes it appear as if God's word and people are being overcome.
I've heard pastors say it's time for a revival at a national level. Wouldn't that be something? Revivals from coast to coast and border to border! Praising God and lighting the fire of the Holy Spirit in every state or nearly so?:clap:
 
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It's time to ask what's stifling Christianity nowadays. Don't just say it's "sin." We need a more specific diagnosis.

What I see: a certain circle-the-wagons mentality, which is all tied up with the cult of the family. The church is family-centered instead of Jesus-centered, and the focus is on shielding everyone's precious little snowflakes from the evils of the outside world.

This is shortsighted in the extreme. Raise your kids weak and they will be easy prey for the world the moment you turn your back. And what of evangelism? We're supposed to go out and make disciples, not stay home and try to breed them.
 
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Someone in a different thread noticed the movement to polarize America into such a divide that we lose sight of the big picture.
The church, the Christians united under the banner and truth of Christ, is not exempt from that effort either I don't think. There are wolves amongst us who hope to lead the sheep straight to the fallen gates while espousing God's word is what gives them license in a new gospel.
I don't think Christians breed converts. That's something cultists do I'd think. I do believe there is a deep need for evangelism and a revival of the spirit on a national level. Because America is besieged by the virus of political correctness. A movement that wants to strip Christ from sight in America. That wants to prosecute those who read their Bibles in the open. Who speak of God at all, who pray over their meals in public.
The fallen, those who are oppressed by the virus of PC and the cloak of sin the enemy lays across their shoulders, are repulsed by the call , the sight, of righteousness in action. Or on display in the form of a cross, a Bible, a bowed head giving thanks, a billboard heralding a call to repentance.

It is indeed what others have noticed; spiritual warfare.
And the disciples on the side of the abyss will argue it is not and that is a myth. While leading the charge!

All is God ordains however. And as we know in the end the hounds of Hell lose! Until then, it is up to the Saints to hold the line. And with God's help repel the efforts of those who follow the path the enemy of God carves out as he roams this world looking for even more souls to devour.
 
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I think there is a falling from the truth of God in Christ.
People want something more modern than a 2000 year old doctrinal practice. They want something that validates their contemporary presence in the secular world. And mostly they're afraid to be seen as intolerant when the scriptures say God is love.
 
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It started after the death of the Apostles:

Acts 20:28-30
"Pay attention to yourselves+ and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers,+ to shepherd the congregation of God,+ which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.+29 I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you+ and will not treat the flock with tenderness,30 and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.+"

1 John 2:18, 19 "Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,+ even now many antichrists have appeared,+ from which fact we know that it is the last hour.19 They went out from us, but they were not of our sort;*+ for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort."
 
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Great reminders.

It started after the death of the Apostles:

Acts 20:28-30
"Pay attention to yourselves+ and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers,+ to shepherd the congregation of God,+ which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.+29 I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you+ and will not treat the flock with tenderness,30 and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.+"

1 John 2:18, 19 "Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,+ even now many antichrists have appeared,+ from which fact we know that it is the last hour.19 They went out from us, but they were not of our sort;*+ for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort."
 
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There was a falling away in the church back in the Middle Ages before Martin Luther was used by God to bring a return to God.
Those were not "the last days". What we are now seeing is the Great Falling Away which is in the last days. When Evangelical and Fundamentalist churches turn away from the truth, there is no going back.
 
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"The world lieth in wickedness". This has nothing to do with the world but with professing Christians.
The evil one is lord of this world and all people who live in this world are subject to being affected by him. Professing Christians or otherwise.
 
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Those were not "the last days". What we are now seeing is the Great Falling Away which is in the last days. When Evangelical and Fundamentalist churches turn away from the truth, there is no going back.

I'd have to disagree with you on that one.
Act.2:14-17 we see Peter preaching and pointing what what happened on the day of Pentecost was fulfilling Joel's prophesy about the last days. So Peter felt the last days had already started. Act.3.24 Peter says these last days have been spoken of by all the prophets starting with Samuel.
1 Pet.1:3-5 and 20 talking about Salvation being provided in the last time .. that these things were manifest for these last times in you, the early Christians.

Heb.1:1-2 and 9:26 talk about what Jesus is doing in the last days. Things that Jesus has been doing thru out the church age.

I really don't think of the hundreds of church groups over the 2000 yrs of church history that God was picking out Evangelicals and Fundamentalist to determine when the last days are. The Bible doesn't speak in those terms. So I can't agree with you.
 
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There must first be conversion to Christ before there can be a falling away. So there can only just now be a falling away in Africa, since they have only just turned to Christ in the last thirty years, for a great number. Perhaps Europe and North America have turned away in parts, but those who do not were and are making converts, reviving the hearts of Africans, South Americans, Indians and Chinese... Those countries are now the "Majority World".
 
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Context is being ignored.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The context is regarding the timing of the return of Christ. That cannot happen until two important things occur. The falling away and the Appearance of the Antichrist and it is his appearance which causes the falling away. So it hasn't happened and isn't happening now. The AC must appear which will be a global event, then those who had followed Christ will follow the AC. Why? IMO he will claim to be Christ so they won't realize they have fallen away from Christ. This happened during the tribulation and as Christ states in Matthew, the second coming is not until the trib has ended.

Why did Paul even write this? Because people were concerned Jesus could just return at any moment without any warning (like a thief in the night) and Paul wanted to clarify that certain events had to happen first. Paul accidentally started the notion of the second coming happening at any time which is the basis for the pre-trib doctrine.
 
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