Hoarders,...oh,i mean preppers,

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There's a difference between hoarding and prepping. Preppers only get what they know is essential for any hypothetical survival plan. Hoarders will keep every random thing, just because ey can't stand to throw things away. You can be both, or one or the other, though.
 
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So here are some practical questions. How much should you prep? I mean, if you're offering everyone who shows up at your doorstep food, just exactly how long do you suppose that supply will last? And if you have enough to feed everyone for 5 years and the disaster lasts 5 years and 3 months, you still don't have enough and you'll starve just like everyone else, albeit 5 years later.

The point I'm trying to make is the prepping movement is doing so blindly. When Joseph had a dream to prep, he had very specific directions from God on what to do, how to do it, and how long to prep for. Preppers today have no such thing. They're just prepping. For something. Maybe. That will last an indeterminate amount of time. Perhaps.

I'm truly not trying to be critical. As I've already said, if people feel God telling them to store up, then by all means they should store up. But there simply is no directive nor scriptural basis for prepping for some unknown occurrence that might happen someday. Noah and Joseph are often spoken of in the prepping movement. But those men had specific directions from God on what to do. The same cannot be said of this current prepping movement.

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Perhaps you shouldn't speak to how I have perceived comments, since you are unaware of what I am referring to. Your opinion on that matter is irrelevant to the facts unfortunately. I can see you are fond of Dids, I am not averse to him - or you. I have not claimed remarks were 'sinister or selfish' so not entirely sure where that is coming from. Anyway please don't try to insult my intelligence or motives by inserting negative connotations on a genuine observation.

Please read carefully what I was referencing - my intent. Thanks.

Again you are making false assumptions. I do not 'lump' any of you in one category. My comments have been a general observation of the 'movement' and to bring clarity and another view to the matter. You are misconstruing my general observations for personal attacks, which is simply not true.


I'll re-post my quote since you seem to have ignored it.

"I have no problem with saving a little extra for the family if a disaster were to strike. The point was stockpiling excessive amounts for the 'future' which may never come; which (in my view) is a waste of time and resources. The only certainty we have is being able to help now, not if or when.

It would be nice to get back to a proper discussion rather than using attack as your defence.

Note: Sorry for the variation of font size and type; your formatting edits mine.

I'm not meaning to attack, only point out that while your "general observation" of preppers may be correct, it does not include ALL preppers, especially those who are only wanting to be prepared, not to horde but to share. They are making sure their families know Jesus and in the event of a disaster they are preparing that they families survive as well as others families who may also come to know Jesus as a result of the one prepared sharing what He has, both spiritually as well as physically. I did not ignore any of your post. Again, it's not about saving a "little" for the family in case of disaster, it's about having plenty to share in the event of a disaster.
 
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So here are some practical questions. How much should you prep? I mean, if you're offering everyone who shows up at your doorstep food, just exactly how long do you suppose that supply will last? And if you have enough to feed everyone for 5 years and the disaster lasts 5 years and 3 months, you still don't have enough and you'll starve just like everyone else, albeit 5 years later.

The point I'm trying to make is the prepping movement is doing so blindly. When Joseph had a dream to prep, he had very specific directions from God on what to do, how to do it, and how long to prep for. Peppers today have no such thing. They're just prepping. For something. Maybe. That will last an indeterminate amount of time. Perhaps.

I'm truly not trying to be critical. As I've already said, if people feel God telling them to store up, then by all means they should store up. But there simply is no directive nor scriptural basis for prepping for some unknown occurrence that might happen someday. Noah and Joseph are often spoken of in the prepping movement. But those men had specific directions from God on what to do. The same cannot be said of this current prepping movement.

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Those who know God should seek Him and He will show each person exactly what they are to do. Some may prepare more, some less. There should be no criticizing of one or the other.
 
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I'm not meaning to attack, only point out that while your "general observation" of preppers may be correct, it does not include ALL preppers, especially those who are only wanting to be prepared, not to horde but to share. They are making sure their families know Jesus and in the event of a disaster they are preparing that they families survive as well as others families who may also come to know Jesus as a result of the one prepared sharing what He has, both spiritually as well as physically. I did not ignore any of your post. Again, it's not about saving a "little" for the family in case of disaster, it's about having plenty to share in the event of a disaster.
I didn't claim it applies to all preppers - I hoped that came across. I feel I have made fair statements of my views on (what I feel) is healthy prepping, and of course the opposite. But no, my statements aren't directed at individuals. I know people get defensive about what they are passionate about. None of us want our families to starve or suffer, and it is understandable wanting to prepare for their future. But we always need to ensure our emotions don't get in the way of clarity. Caring for your family is well and good, as is saving a little extra for times of trouble. Yet when is the diminishing returns between prepping to hoarding?

I don't think it's overly sentimental to want to help others in the time we have now. In the only certainty we have.
 
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Those who know God should seek Him and He will show each person exactly what they are to do. Some may prepare more, some less. There should be no criticizing of one or the other.

I absolutely agree. But that is not what Dids is saying.

I do not take issue with Dids' prepping. I take issue with Dids suggesting that if you don't prep, you are lazy and not taking care of those you love.

That's simply not true, nor does it find any Biblical support.

I like Dids, but on this topic, he is equally as guilty of demeaning and criticizing as those who disagree with him.

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I probably have a bias since I know someone doing this sort of thing, but I think the prepping thing isn't really Biblical. It's really a bit of a hobby that will supposedly have practical applications in some unforeseeable future when some bad thing happens. You can do it if you want but just don't go crazy about it.
 
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I do not take issue with Dids' prepping. I take issue with Dids suggesting that if you don't prep, you are lazy and not taking care of those you love.

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I believe Did's said that in reference to doing nothing, which none of us are doing. Everyone is prepping in some aspect. We have life insurance, burial insurance, auto insurance, renters/home owners insurance, medical insurance, savings, smoke alarms, guard dogs, on and on. Even the homeless will generally seek out a safe place to sleep. We're all prepared for something. No one who has any prep they have access to and takes advantage of it falls into the category of "lazy". Neither is one who has taken advantage of a garden, and anything else available hoarding. Some people have just started prepping, and some have prepped for years.
 
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This is a given Pete. No one is advocating feeding only the body and not the soul. However, that is what a lot of the reply's here are insinuating.
Pete has know me long enough to know better. Thousands of posts in the last 13 years. I don't think I have to defend that. I have 12 printed books and 40 kindle books that will easily convince anyone about my concern for the lost. Blessings to Pete. I pray he be in health and his soul prospers even as God has prospered his soul! That is a sincere prayer!
 
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If this were my thread I would ask the mods to shut it do. It is nothing but decisive and unedifying.
If people do not want to prep, then don't.
But please do not judge and condemn those that do. That is unfair and is judging motives and intents of the heart. That is God's jurisdiction. Barbara thank you for your care, you, I think, know my heart. Thank you again, my CF friend from the first days.
End of Dids contribution to this thread. I pray that all prosper and be in health even as God has prospered their souls!
 
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If this were my thread I would ask the mods to shut it do. It is nothing but decisive and unedifying.
If people do not want to prep, then don't.
But please do not judge and condemn those that do. That is unfair and is judging motives and intents of the heart. That is God's jurisdiction. Barbara thank you for your care, you, I think, know my heart. Thank you again, my CF friend from the first days.
End of Dids contribution to this thread. I pray that all prosper and be in health even as God has prospered their souls!
i dont think that is required at this stage .though some could tone down and stop over dissecting posts .
i understand that some will enter a thread and not read what has been stated in past posts . and launch into a certain topical aspect thus throwing it off balance .

but just to clarify yet again.. the thread title is "in humor as an attention grabber " a typical media type headline to draw folks into the conversation . and for those who actually read .i made that plain and clear.

i have not taken a side now has it ever been the intent of the thread to do so .
but i did begin a thread with intent to discuss the topic freely as over in the "preppers forum" such discussion had been disallowed -which is fine and good because that forum is setup to discuss doing it .. not debating about it .

but HERE ... debating about it from the perspective of being Spirit filled people and walking IN the Holy Spirit as he guides us and thus learning to be obedient to him.. I felt was a valid option to give people .
those that have stumbled into the he said she said that i said that you said that tey said pattern -sadly always rol in from time to time and its nice if they give that a break and approach the topic from a more objective mindset with the word of god as their basis .

now every time a view point is shared in one direction ..it can be assumed that they are implying the disagreeing party is guilty of not doing the other side of the bible .. but this is just a self protecting assumption . so i encourage everyone . unless some one out rightly accuses you of a thing .. don't leap so quickly to the assumption that they are doing so .
 
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There's a difference between hoarding and prepping. Preppers only get what they know is essential for any hypothetical survival plan. Hoarders will keep every random thing, just because ey can't stand to throw things away. You can be both, or one or the other, though.
yes . the title of the thread was in humor ,sone as an attention grabber .. read no further into it .

LOVE & FAITH is the overriding factor in any believer's life .
 
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Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Prov 13:22 A good person leaves an inheritance for their children's children, but a sinner's wealth is stored up for the righteous.
 
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yes . the title of the thread was in humor ,sone as an attention grabber .. read no further into it .

LOVE & FAITH is the overriding factor in any believer's life .

This would be an interesting topic, as I think it's obedience and actions. Have to think about that though, so maybe another topic?
 
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yes . the title of the thread was in humor ,sone as an attention grabber .. read no further into it .

LOVE & FAITH is the overriding factor in any believer's life .
Yes, that is why we prep!
 
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