Here is what he tried to post .
Thank you ron4shua for your response, and the information provided. (Post #30)
A few notes.
1. You may not be aware that in the manuscripts that have been described as the earliest and most reliable, the
Mark 16:9-20 passage is absent. It is therefore considered to be an interpolation (later addition), and not reliable. I understand the NIV has a footnote to that effect. Maybe other translations have as well.
* Yes dear brother I have been aware for three and a half or four decades . There are hundreds of Scripture " passage is absent " also a multitude ADDED , and as
Mark 16:9-20 and
Matthew 28:
19“Therefore, go and make taught ones of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, In TRANSLATION VERSIONS . All Versions are biased to a degree by ignorance or malice to support their doctrinal statement of predisposed dogma malice .
Just because something is not in early MSS is a flag but doesn't rule out it's authenticity .
http://biblehub.com/isr/isaiah/28.htm ;
11For with a jabbering lip and a foreign tongue He speaks to this people,
12to whom He said, “This is the rest, give rest to the weary,” and, “This is the refreshing.”
But they would not hear.
One more witness ;
http://biblehub.com/isr/isaiah/6.htm
5And I said, “Woe to me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips – for my eyes have seen the Sovereign, יהוה of hosts.”
6And one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a live coal which he had taken with the tongs from the altar.
7And he touched my mouth with it, and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your crookedness is taken away, and your sin is covered.”
8And I heard the voice of יהוה, saying, “Whom do I send, and who would go for Us?” And I said, “Here am I! Send me.”
9And He said, “Go, and you shall say to this people, ‘
Hearing, you hear, but do not understand; and seeing, you see, but do not know.’
http://biblehub.com/isr/jeremiah/1.htm
2. With respect to reading through the book of Acts carefully (to find out when the supernatural spiritual gifts were to cease), I will drop a hint. If a person stops at Acts 2, that person has not read far enough. The answer is definitely there for people who are willing to make the effort to find it.
* I've read over four dozen translation VERSIONS of New Testament Scripture and own and read , cover to cover thirty two Versions . With my Strong's and Vine's , HUB , Gateway and the net . I don't claim to be the brightest bulb in the box but I have word studied Acts more times than a light read .
I believe the Gospels and book of Acts is a prerequisite to reading the remainder of " The Good News ",
3. Stating that people might not want to look for that information in Acts because they don't want the information to be there, is not a statement of judgement – it is a simple statement of fact. People who want to believe that supernatural spiritual gifts (including “tongues”) are “alive and well” today, reject all evidence to the contrary, and definitely won't go looking for such evidence. (That applies to other pet beliefs as well.) I suspect you know that.
* No intention on my part is intended as an affront towards you .
In that same general vein, let me tell a quick (practical) story and then ask a question.
A couple from a church you attend have gone into say, the deep Amazon to a newly discovered and unreached tribe. The journey takes some weeks. They have three translators to help them – English to Portuguese, Portuguese to a nearby local language, and that language to the tribal language.
One of the things they teach is
John 11:26 “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.”
The woman becomes gravely ill and the couple returns to your country. Her health is so badly affected that she can never go back.
The pastor asks you to devote six months of your time to go and look after the tribe until a permanent replacement couple is found. You agree and off you go. They have been without a shepherd for some months by the time you arrive.
When you get there you find their faith is in tatters. They had understood
John 11:26 (“shall never die”) to pertain to their physical lives, yet some people who had professed belief and been baptised, have died. They think those people are lost.
Question: What would you say to them?
You call the story (practical) , I see it as whimsical , there are many outher words that come to mind .
* So then my brother in Messiah , you are saying your whimsical story based on
John 11: 26 , Jesus/ YAHshua's words are a fairy tail , and your words are " it is a simple statement of fact " , our Messiah lied through His teeth ? How many more of our Masters words are bogus ?
http://biblehub.com/isr/john/11.htm ;
25יהושע said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he dies, he shall live.
26“And everyone that is living and believing in Me shall never die at all. Do you believe this?”
http://biblehub.com/isr/mark/12.htm ;
24And יהושע answering, said to them, “Is this not why you go astray, because you do not know the Scriptures
a nor the power of Elohim?
25“For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as messengers in the heavens.
26“And concerning the dead, that they rise – have you not read in the book of Mosheh, at the bush, how Elohim spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the Elohim of Aḇraham, and the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ’?
27“He is not the Elohim of the dead, but Elohim of the living. You, then, go greatly astray.”
http://biblehub.com/isr/luke/20.htm ;
34And יהושע answering, said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage,
35but those who are counted worthy of attaining that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage,
36for neither is it possible for them to die any more, because they are like messengers and are sons of Elohim, being sons of the resurrection.
37“But that the dead are raised, even Mosheh showed at the bush when he called יהוה ‘the Elohim of Aḇraham, and the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ.’
38“Now He is not the Elohim of the dead, but of the living, for all live to Him.”
Here's one for you my brother ;
41And He said to them, “How do they say that the Messiah is the Son of Dawiḏ?
42“For Dawiḏ himself said in the Book of Psalms, ‘יהוה said to my Master, “sit at My right hand,
43until I make Your enemies a footstool of Your feet.” ’
44“Dawiḏ then calls Him ‘Master,’ how is He then his Son?”
45And in the hearing of all the people, He said to His taught ones,
46“Beware of the scribes, who like to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the market-places, and the best seats in the congregations, and the best places at feasts,
47who devour widows’ houses, and for a show make long prayers. They shall receive greater judgment.”
http://biblehub.com/isr/matthew/21.htm ;
24And יהושע answering, said to them, “I shall ask you one question too, which if you answer Me, I also shall say to you by what authority I do these:
25“The immersion of Yoḥanan, where did it come from? From heaven or from men?” So they reasoned among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He shall say to us, ‘Then why did you not believe him?’
26“But if we say, ‘From men,’ we fear the crowd, for all hold Yoḥanan as a prophet.”
27And they answered יהושע and said, “We do not know.” And He said to them, “Neither do I say to you by what authority I do these.
Peace to you my brother .
Hallelu-YAH .
