Sexism and Religion

When I observe the politics of Canada and how it affects the education of children I am greatly concerned that this gender reference argument has gotten totally out of hand. I mean a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl: there are physical differences of appearance.

Honestly, I am old enough to have grandchildren but I don't have. This "same sex" debate has gotten so stupid I told my sons, please don't have children, I don't want to put my grandchildren and great grandchildren through this prison they call modern life.

A boy is a boy and a girl is a girl. The old rhyme about what they're made of is hogwash, and I've known that from the very first time I heard it at the age of five.

It is not hard to discern the falsities of stereotyping, why the need for such a song and dance?

If you're looking for an excuse to sin... here it is Revelation 22:11, only be prepared for the consequences.

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

When I observe the politics of Canada and how it affects the education of children I am greatly concerned that this gender reference argument has gotten totally out of hand. I mean a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl: there are physical differences of appearance.

Honestly, I am old enough to have grandchildren but I don't have. This "same sex" debate has gotten so stupid I told my sons, please don't have children, I don't want to put my grandchildren and great grandchildren through this prison they call modern life.

A boy is a boy and a girl is a girl. The old rhyme about what they're made of is hogwash, and I've known that from the very first time I heard it at the age of five.

It is not hard to discern the falsities of stereotyping, why the need for such a song and dance?

If you're looking for an excuse to sin... here it is Revelation 22:11, only be prepared for the consequences.

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This prison called modern life? You mean this era where humanity has lived the longest it ever has and increasingly longer, the era with the fewest conflicts and the most people being uplifted out of poverty compared to any other period in time?

What a nonsense argument. "Wah its not socially acceptable to be crappy to people anymore this world is so bad".

Grow up.

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

A boy is a boy and a girl is a girl.

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Except that science is finding gender isn't quite as binary as we thought it was, or as much as some religious people want it to be.

If you're looking for an excuse to sin... here it is Revelation 22:11, only be prepared for the consequences.

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I don't need an excuse to sin.

Zoness said:

What a nonsense argument. "Wah its not socially acceptable to be crappy to people anymore this world is so bad".

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Obviously you don't agree with that statement since you were just crappy to me, I wonder who needs to grow up? Your intolerance is not maturity.

I think it is stupid to punish someone for using gender specific terms. A child can be punished as a bully for using gender specific terms? Why would I find that acceptable?

If you want to use the "rod" in your language, at least don't be hypocritical.

Jane_the_Bane said:

Marketing (including or even especially marketing aimed at children) relies more strongly on binary gender clichés today than it did thirty years ago.

Here's how Lego advertised in 1981.

Today? We've got THIS:

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That's because lego is interested in profit only. Parents will sometimes buy things that make kids unhappy, why not ask the kids what they want? I had friends who were girls that loved playing with dolls, and others who would rather hike and climb a tree. When you're a friend you do what friends want to do or you're not friends. Its really quite simple. At least that's the way it has been for me. I never was good at playing with dolls and tea sets so most of my friends who were girls didn't do those things around me. We found things we could do together, which might be reading, drawing, writing, or some kind of craft work. I never forced them to play cowboys and indians and they never forced me to play mums and dads. It was kind of simple. Sometimes we just sat and talked.

Why can't we just live in tolerance using decency and practical sense, like we used to be taught when I was a child?

awitch said:

Except that science is finding gender isn't quite as binary as we thought it was, or as much as some religious people want it to be.

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Science is supposedly finding a lot of strange things. I don't believe it.

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

Science is supposedly finding a lot of strange things. I don't believe it.

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Because it's more convenient not to?

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

Obviously you don't agree with that statement since you were just crappy to me, I wonder who needs to grow up? Your intolerance is not maturity.

I think it is stupid to punish someone for using gender specific terms. A child can be punished as a bully for using gender specific terms? Why would I find that acceptable?

If you want to use the "rod" in your language, at least don't be hypocritical.

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So your follow up is to be like "oh don't have kids because the world is bad"? Like, I get it that evangelicals are losing political power and that's frustrating but seems a little alarmist, yeah? At any rate, I stand by why I said. I don't understand the fury at people aiming for political correctness in this regard; where are children punished for bullying on this point? Specific citations are preferred.

Who's hypocritical? What hypocrisy specifically have I demonstrated? Bonus points if you can cite something other than me criticizing your assessment of the modern world's political correctness.

awitch said:

Because it's more convenient not to?

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No, because science doesn't have all the answers and admits it. To what extent do you have to go to prove that a man is not a man? What made him a man and not a woman in the first place? It was the physical appearance, not DNA, etc. These things are still too young a science to be conclusive. Though you are personally privileged to accept them as such if you like.

For Zoness, sorry I lost the quote.

Personally, I have never been interested in political clout. You don't change people by lawful oppression, you only alienate them.

I was listening to an interview on Vision Radio, their 20 20 program I think. I don't remember the name of the lady being interviewed but she stated that in the schools of Canada children can be reprimanded for making gender specific references, and this included use of such terms on internet sites outside of school and school hours. If I have the time I will try to look up the podcast for you but I'm sure you can look it up for yourself.

Sorry, not interested in earning brownies, you know how to examine yourself.

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

No, because science doesn't have all the answers and admits it.

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Too bad more religious people can't admit that, too.

To what extent do you have to go to prove that a man is not a man? What made him a man and not a woman in the first place? It was the physical appearance, not DNA, etc. These things are still too young a science to be conclusive. Though you are personally privileged to accept them as such if you like.

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And how long must the scientific community agree before you're convinced? And how do you determine that standard?
I do trust the scientific consensus because it provides the best possible explanations based on evidence. But that's just me.

awitch said:

Because it's more convenient not to?

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or perhaps because science does not prove anything. All science might be wrong so one should be careful before demanding people accept it.

Zoness said:

Who's hypocritical? What hypocrisy specifically have I demonstrated? Bonus points if you can cite something other than me criticizing your assessment of the modern world's political correctness.

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So its ok to be nasty to people as long as your responding to them. Nope sorry that makes you a hypocrite not just making a response.

TheDag said:

or perhaps because science does not prove anything. All science might be wrong so one should be careful before demanding people accept it.

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Good luck with that.

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

Why can't we just live in tolerance using decency and practical sense, like we used to be taught when I was a child?

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I think it's because we are waking up to the denial and intolerance that we were taught when we were children..

TheDag said:

All science might be wrong so one should be careful before demanding people accept it.

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This said while typing a response into a computer. The irony...

Seriously, it's based on how you personally take the Bible for Christians. If we read Jesus, he says that the 10 commandments are the most important of Old Testament law and the first two are the most important. He also seems to make a distinction between the 10 commandments and the extra commandments of Mosaic law that might involve a distinction between males and females. It is in his actions and sayings that he seems to make the distinction. he also seems to regard women worthy of the message he has. The Pauline scripture that they think justifies treating women are inferior quite has a different tinge in one place when after declaring a man the head, it goes into how women are the body, but it as says because women are to be cherished as a man's own body and describes other things that would make men not a harsh head, but a gentle guide for the woman. It is an example of how a head and body go together, not that a man should be a creep and be strict with his wife. If scripture is read carefully, a little knowledge of the original language helps with this, a lot of assumptions can be peeled away.

Aimee30 said:

Seriously, it's based on how you personally take the Bible for Christians. If we read Jesus, he says that the 10 commandments are the most important of Old Testament law and the first two are the most important.

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Not having any other gods and not making graven images are the most important?

Although ordering gets weird between different groups, so that might be the first entirely with the second being not taking the Lord's name in vain as the second. Nobody can agree on anything.

dlamberth said:

This said while typing a response into a computer. The irony...

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He probably hasn't needed to take any medicine either....