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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this question but I need some guidance on an issue that is bothering me. I belong to a church that has a leadership team that appears to be under attack from what could possibly be a Jezebel spirit. I gave a message to the leadership team that was treated with complete disdain and my relationship with God came under attack. The message was in relation to unity, spiritual warfare and healing. I was shocked by the response it received but by the grace of God I came out of it intact. One of the leaders has a gay son living with him and I am wondering if this could possibly be how such a spirit could have entered the team as I believe it would have to have some legal right to do so. I know this is an odd question but it is very important that I get a better picture of what might be going on in order for the church to receive the message. I am of course under the authority of the leaders and cannot do anything that would undermine that. In view of this I don't feel it appropriate question other members of the church as it could give reason to doubt them and be divisive. I have to respect the fact that they are appointed by God. I would be very grateful If anyone could offer some advice.

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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this question but I need some guidance on an issue that is bothering me. I belong to a church that has a leadership team that appears to be under attack from what could possibly be a Jezebel spirit. I gave a message to the leadership team that was treated with complete disdain and my relationship with God came under attack. The message was in relation to unity, spiritual warfare and healing. I was shocked by the response it received but by the grace of God I came out of it intact. One of the leaders has a gay son living with him and I am wondering if this could possibly be how such a spirit could have entered the team as I believe it would have to have some legal right to do so. I know this is an odd question but it is very important that I get a better picture of what might be going on in order for the church to receive the message. I am of course under the authority of the leaders and cannot do anything that would undermine that. In view of this I don't feel it appropriate question other members of the church as it could give reason to doubt them and be divisive. I have to respect the fact that they are appointed by God. I would be very grateful If anyone could offer some advice.

Thanks,
Terry
What led you to give "a message to the leadership team?" The message was about "unity, spiritual warfare and healing," which are differing things -- how did your message relate these things to each other? Perhaps: what was the "target" of the message?

Now as for anyone who has ties to a homosexual, this does not immediately "open a door" for demonic activity. We deal with people who have sin in their lives on a daily basis. If such interaction opened us to spirits entering us, then mankind would be infested with demons and Christianity would cease to exist. Homosexuality is a sin. It is no different from any other sin. Sin cannot be in the presence of God; God abhors sin. And Jesus' blood will wash sin away from us and we are to stop practicing our sins. It is this practicing that defines whether we are God's or whether we are the devil's (see 1 John 3).

So when we interact with someone who practices sin, our first reaction should be to teach them the error of their ways. When they reject this teaching we need to have patience, for this is how sinners will react to being told that they need to run from their sin. We need to have patience and continue to witness to them with longsuffering (the same way that God dealt with each and every one of us!). There will come a time to wipe the dust from our feet, but that time comes after much, much, much, much witness to the sinner.

So as for the leader who has a gay son living with him: does the leader witness the Word regarding the sin of homosexuality to the son? Or has the leader taken a position that it is ok that his son is gay? For this latter is not ok. And if the church follows the Word, and if this latter case is true -- if the leader says it is ok -- then the church leadership needs to remove this person from leadership. If the leader does not accept his son's homosexual desires, and if he is in continual witness to help his son overcome this sin, then it is not an immediate problem for him to have the son living at home. And it certainly will not be a portal for evil spirits to enter in.
 
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Thank you for your reply. As a servant of the Lord I am spirit led and was thus led by Him to give the message to the elders. I'm not sure what you mean by the target of the message but the essence of it was stand up and make a difference, God is with us. The message tied together the need for unity in the church, our fight being against the principalities and powers, not flesh and blood and the desire God has to show His love to people by bringing healing. Nothing unusual or un-scriptural, He has been saying it for a long time.

The particular leader I mentioned is the one most vocal in opposition to the message to the point of bringing into dispute my very relationship with God, not something a true brother would do and not something I took lightly.

The world is full of demons and spirits and unfortunately many can be found in the church.

Thank you for your words I will give this matter more consideration.

Terry
 
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Thank you for your reply. As a servant of the Lord I am spirit led and was thus led by Him to give the message to the elders. I'm not sure what you mean by the target of the message but the essence of it was stand up and make a difference, God is with us. The message tied together the need for unity in the church, our fight being against the principalities and powers, not flesh and blood and the desire God has to show His love to people by bringing healing. Nothing unusual or un-scriptural, He has been saying it for a long time.

The particular leader I mentioned is the one most vocal in opposition to the message to the point of bringing into dispute my very relationship with God, not something a true brother would do and not something I took lightly.

The world is full of demons and spirits and unfortunately many can be found in the church.

Thank you for your words I will give this matter more consideration.

Terry
I agree Terry,sometimes you know what's around you and the response from people all to often is either to be silent or to be combative with you.

We had a special prayer that the entire Church joined in.
One lady rebuked a evil spirit and things seemed better,the pastor looked for comments.
I said Theres Victory in Jesus!
You could have heard a pin drop,not one amen or praise to God of any kind.
They seemed irritated.
I don't know how much longer I will be there,the Pastor has been unable to Preach and asked a former Pastor of another Church to Preach for 3 Sunday's.
This other guy has a habit of raising his hands in praise but with his fingers parted does the Spock sign
For live long and Prosper.
I like star trek but not in the pulpit.

We are living in strange times indeed.
 
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Thank you for your reply. I'm glad I'm not the only one who can see the enemy within the church. When the very word of God becomes offensive or makes so called Christians irritated there is clearly a problem. There is Victory in Jesus! no doubt about that whatsoever! Who then would have a problem with someone declaring that out loud! These are strange times indeed. I believe God is on the move and opening the eyes of some to see the state of His church. The question for us is what does God want us to do about it.

Terry
 
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I agree Terry,sometimes you know what's around you and the response from people all to often is either to be silent or to be combative with you.

We had a special prayer that the entire Church joined in.
One lady rebuked a evil spirit and things seemed better,the pastor looked for comments.
I said Theres Victory in Jesus!
You could have heard a pin drop,not one amen or praise to God of any kind.
They seemed irritated.
I don't know how much longer I will be there,the Pastor has been unable to Preach and asked a former Pastor of another Church to Preach for 3 Sunday's.
This other guy has a habit of raising his hands in praise but with his fingers parted does the Spock sign
For live long and Prosper.
I like star trek but not in the pulpit.

We are living in strange times indeed.
The Spock sign is the Hebrew sign for YHWH.

IT's a way of pronouncing a blessing over people in God's name.

Leonard Nimoy was Jewish, and when they were looking for a hand sign for the TV show, he proffered the ancient hand sign for YHWH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_salute

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-of-leonard-nimoy-and-live-long-and-prosper/

http://qz.com/352855/the-secret-history-behind-leonard-nimoys-spock-salute/



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Thank you for your reply. I'm glad I'm not the only one who can see the enemy within the church. When the very word of God becomes offensive or makes so called Christians irritated there is clearly a problem. There is Victory in Jesus! no doubt about that whatsoever! Who then would have a problem with someone declaring that out loud! These are strange times indeed. I believe God is on the move and opening the eyes of some to see the state of His church. The question for us is what does God want us to do about it.

Terry
Could it be something as simple as leadership feels challenged?

Sometimes when congregants give a message to leadership, leadership takes it the wrong way and thinks it's a correction coming from the pews.

Leadership sometimes mistakes this as an attack on them.

OTOH, praising leadership is almost always accepted as a sign of support.

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Thanks Truthfrees. There was a large amount of praise for the leadership in the message and nothing to suggest otherwise. This is just one of the reasons I found their response to be very odd and for me raises the question as to whether the enemy is in the camp. I do agree that some might feel challenged but only in terms of stepping out into new things, fear perhaps playing a factor in that. The response was more extreme than that though. I'll continue praying for them, they have my full support still and I do believe at some point they will see better than they are at the moment.

Terry
 
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Thanks Truthfrees. There was a large amount of praise for the leadership in the message and nothing to suggest otherwise. This is just one of the reasons I found their response to be very odd and for me raises the question as to whether the enemy is in the camp. I do agree that some might feel challenged but only in terms of stepping out into new things, fear perhaps playing a factor in that. The response was more extreme than that though. I'll continue praying for them, they have my full support still and I do believe at some point they will see better than they are at the moment.

Terry
:oldthumbsup: I'll pray for them too.
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When the very word of God becomes offensive or makes so called Christians irritated there is clearly a problem.

Definitely a religious spirit if you wanted to call it that or just an anti-christ spirit or attitude being presented to people on a continual basis.

It's typical for these folks to accuse you of having a religious spirit if you quote the Word as they claim to be being led by the Holy Spirit... but those that know there Bible understand that the Holy Spirit leads us in to Truth and God's Word IS Truth.

Unless you are in a position of authority, you really do not have the right to correct those that are elders in this congregation but please be sure and protect your heart with all diligence which is going to mean backing away a little and spending more time doing what your primary purpose for existing is... spending more time in fellowship with the Father thru Jesus by the Holy Ghost based on the written Word of God.

In times like these, always go back and check your foundation and make sure your personal relationship with God, and missing a few meals would help as well over the new few weeks.

Every tongue that rises up against you... in judgement, YOU condemn the accusation. :oldthumbsup:

And, do not think it strange the firey trial that is coming against you or the church... just a satanic smoke screen that if the elders do not handle properly may create the need to find another church.
 
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Thank you for your reply Farm Truck! Everything you say makes complete sense. I have found myself drawing closer to God than I've ever done before, I love being with Him and I read His word with a new hunger and have discovered the anointed writings of Watchman Nee, I think I've read about 20 books of his in the past couple of months with more on the way in the post, such a man of God! My hearts desire is to be open to God to take any correction or discipline He has for me so I can serve Him. I pray to God in the name of Jesus that He will break anything in me that would cause an hindrance to Him.

I'm really glad you mention backing off a little, this confirms to me that it is something I need to do. It's quite odd when having the most precious thing in your life trampled on you experience revulsion alongside a great sense of peace. Thank you also for the words "Every tongue that rises up against you... in judgement, YOU condemn the accusation. :oldthumbsup:" I feel much better having defended my relationship with God as I was a little concerned about having done that with an elder, I do not want to be in any kind of rebellion but I do feel it was necessary ( I did apologize after). I am getting the impression however, that it would not be beneficial for anyone should I continue to press the elders anymore as it would put us all in that situation again. Going back to basics every now and again can never be a bad thing to do. I'm confident in what God gave me for the elders but He did give it for them and not me. I need to leave it in His hands and seek God as to what He is saying to me. I think the call to miss a few meals is sound advice and I will do that :)


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I feel much better having defended my relationship with God

You know... no matter what happens in this life, there is one top priority that is God's will for every human being He ever created that is above family, above any church, above work, above anything and everything and it's so simple you'd have to go to seminary of Bible school to misunderstand it:

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

One of the age old questions man has always had is "why do I exist?"

Simple... to provide habitation for the Living God Who created you for the primary purpose of sharing Himself and all that He has with you!

This is why Jesus said unless we are converted and become as little children we shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 18:3) because the Father wants to be our everything and our top priority and purpose for living.

So, treasure this opportunity to allow the Lord to show you His wisdom and knowledge in how the enemy operates and allow Him to teach you how to navigate around the traps satan has set for you and others (He's going to want to use you to help others get free IF they will let you... if they won't, pray for them and release them to the Lord - cast the care over on the Lord since He is the Head of the Body of Christ).

The one thing that has helped me immensely is when the Lord taught me that when bad times come... it's just another opportunity to allow the Lord to teach me how to put that dog satan in his rightful place... under me and Jesus' foot!

There is great intimacy with the Lord when we stand on His promises refusing to be moved knowing the God of peace shall bruise satan under your feet shortly (Romans 16:20).

So... bad times can actually be good times depending on how you look at it since Jesus does not lose and you are in Christ. The battle is the Lord's and the victory is yours! :ebil:
 
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The Spock sign is the Hebrew sign for YHWH.

IT's a way of pronouncing a blessing over people in God's name.

Leonard Nimoy was Jewish, and when they were looking for a hand sign for the TV show, he proffered the ancient hand sign for YHWH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_salute

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-of-leonard-nimoy-and-live-long-and-prosper/

http://qz.com/352855/the-secret-history-behind-leonard-nimoys-spock-salute/



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With your background and knowledge of Judaism,I ask if there were conditional rules the Levitical priesthood had to abide in using this gesture?

Is the hand sign one that is used to praise Yesusha?

Is it correct to use it in a Evangelical pulpit?

Is Leonard Nimoys use of it in proper context?

Would it be used in the Aaronic blessing,with both hands raised thumbs touching and index fingers touching as well?
 
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You know... no matter what happens in this life, there is one top priority that is God's will for every human being He ever created that is above family, above any church, above work, above anything and everything and it's so simple you'd have to go to seminary of Bible school to misunderstand it:

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

One of the age old questions man has always had is "why do I exist?"

Simple... to provide habitation for the Living God Who created you for the primary purpose of sharing Himself and all that He has with you!

This is why Jesus said unless we are converted and become as little children we shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 18:3) because the Father wants to be our everything and our top priority and purpose for living.

So, treasure this opportunity to allow the Lord to show you His wisdom and knowledge in how the enemy operates and allow Him to teach you how to navigate around the traps satan has set for you and others (He's going to want to use you to help others get free IF they will let you... if they won't, pray for them and release them to the Lord - cast the care over on the Lord since He is the Head of the Body of Christ).

The one thing that has helped me immensely is when the Lord taught me that when bad times come... it's just another opportunity to allow the Lord to teach me how to put that dog satan in his rightful place... under me and Jesus' foot!

There is great intimacy with the Lord when we stand on His promises refusing to be moved knowing the God of peace shall bruise satan under your feet shortly (Romans 16:20).

So... bad times can actually be good times depending on how you look at it since Jesus does not lose and you are in Christ. The battle is the Lord's and the victory is yours! :ebil:

I praise God and thank God for you! It's like a breath of fresh air to me hearing the word of God from a brother it truly is :) Please post more you are a great help.

At the moment I'm working on getting a few of us to pray and fast for the elders and walk around the church praising God and making declarations. Three of us have already done it. Another four have said they would. It couldn't possibly do any harm and may break down some walls. I know this message is for the church and somehow and at some point they will hear it and act on it. Where there's a will there's a way, just like the paralyzed man on the mat. If the direct approach is blocked then we navigate another route :) If it is Gods will He will find the way.

Terry
 
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The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate. This was a terrible spirit in Christianities middle ages when a church group built a doctrine and then enforced it by means of violence. Read up on the foxes book of martyrs and you will discover the horrors of the spirit of Jezebel.
 
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With your background and knowledge of Judaism, I ask if there were conditional rules the Levitical priesthood had to abide in using this gesture?

Is the hand sign one that is used to praise Yeshua?

Is it correct to use it in a Evangelical pulpit?

Is Leonard Nimoys use of it in proper context?

Would it be used in the Aaronic blessing, with both hands raised thumbs touching and index fingers touching as well?
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HAND SIGN
At a few dark points in history under Hadrian and others, it was torture and death to have, read, or quote the first 5 books of the Bible, or say God's name YHVH out loud, so the Jews made 1-handed and 2-handed signs to declare "YHVH BLESS YOU".

Saying Numbers 6:24-26 out loud over the people would get the Priests, Rabbis, and husbands and fathers killed. So the hand signs were the only safe way for hundreds of years for the Priests and Rabbis to bless the people in YHVH's name, and husbands and fathers to bless their wife and children in YHVH's name. It's remains as a sign today.

It's in a small way similar to the sign of the fish Christians used to declare their faith without being caught and killed. None of these Christian or Jewish hand signs or symbols are in scripture. They were created to fill a need. 2 to say God bless you. 1 to say I'm a Christian.

YESHUA
There's evidence that Jews 100 years before Jesus understood YHVH and the title Son of Man to mean the Son of God, Messiah, Redeemer. AND ANCIENT of DAYS and EL was understood to mean the Father. Both were understood to be God, Father and Son. (Mark 14:61-62, Daniel 7:9-11, Daniel 7:12-14) This is why Jesus was followed by Jews. They were looking for someone exactly like Him as per their understanding of scripture prophecy regarding Messiah King Redeemer God WITH US. The only mistake they made which became a major stumbling block for them in the future was, they thought Jesus would set up His earthly government and rule the nations at that time. They and we are waiting for this to happen in the future as per scripture. (Luke 1:31-33, Isaiah 9:6-7, Acts of the Apostles 1:6, Revelation 11:15)

Daniel Boyarin has some excellent historical information showing that Father and Son was an ancient understanding among Jews, but was renounced when the Nazarim were kicked out of Judaism after the Bar Kokhba revolt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt

Constantine later kicked the Nazarim out of Christianity because they were too Judaic. See RELIGIOUS POLICY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great

Nazarim are what the Jews called believers in Christ. (Acts of the Apostles 24:5, Matthew 2:23, Mark 14:67, Mark 16:6)
Christians are what the Greeks called us. (Acts of the Apostles 11:26, Acts of the Apostles 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16)
The Way is what NT believers called themselves. (Acts of the Apostles 24:14, Acts of the Apostles 9:2, Acts of the Apostles 19:9, Acts of the Apostles 19:23, Acts of the Apostles 24:22, 2 Peter 2:2)

CONTEXT
IS Leonard Nimoy using "YHVH bless you" in proper context?

IF he would've used a Christian hand symbol for "God bless you" in Star Trek we'd be thrilled.

Jews, MJs, and Christians who understand the gravity of the hand sign do use it as a solemn "GOD BLESS YOU" much as LN used it. If you notice he never used it as a light "hi", it was always a solemn parting blessing such as Numbers 6:24-26 is meant to be.

FINGERS TOUCHING
When the index finger and middle finger touch, and the ring finger and little finger touch it makes the Hebrew letter SHIN, a pseudonym of YHVH known as Shem (Name) or Hashem (the Name). Jews didn't need to use "Name" or "the Name" UNTIL it was dangerous to say YHVH. It also makes the 1st 2 Hebrew letters of YHVH, or Yah which is a scriptural short form for YHVH. IOW, YH is found often in scripture. YHVH is found much more often in scripture.

HANDS TOUCHING
When the 2 hands touch it makes an almost exact representation of Y H and V H, the 4 Hebrew letters of God's name. We maybe don't see it but Hebrew readers can easily see it. IOW, 1 hand spells YH (Yah) and 2 hands spell YHVH (Yahveh). Hebrew is read right-left.


 
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HAND SIGN
At a few dark points in history under Hadrian and others, it was torture and death to have, read, or quote the first 5 books of the Bible, or say God's name YHVH out loud, so the Jews made 1-handed and 2-handed signs to declare "YHVH BLESS YOU".

Saying Numbers 6:24-26 out loud over the people would get the Priests, Rabbis, and husbands and fathers killed. So the hand signs were the only safe way for hundreds of years for the Priests and Rabbis to bless the people in YHVH's name, and husbands and fathers to bless their wife and children in YHVH's name. It's remains as a sign today.

It's in a small way similar to the sign of the fish Christians used to declare their faith without being caught and killed. None of these Christian or Jewish hand signs or symbols are in scripture. They were created to fill a need. 2 to say God bless you. 1 to say I'm a Christian.

YESHUA
There's evidence that Jews 100 years before Jesus understood YHVH and the title Son of Man to mean the Son of God, Messiah, Redeemer. AND ANCIENT of DAYS and EL was understood to mean the Father. Both were understood to be God, Father and Son. (Mark 14:61-62, Daniel 7:9-11, Daniel 7:12-14) This is why Jesus was followed by Jews. They were looking for someone exactly like Him as per their understanding of scripture prophecy regarding Messiah King Redeemer God WITH US. The only mistake they made which became a major stumbling block for them in the future was, they thought Jesus would set up His earthly government and rule the nations at that time. They and we are waiting for this to happen in the future as per scripture. (Luke 1:31-33, Isaiah 9:6-7, Acts of the Apostles 1:6, Revelation 11:15)

Daniel Boyarin has some excellent historical information showing that Father and Son was an ancient understanding among Jews, but was renounced when the Nazarim were kicked out of Judaism after the Bar Kokhba revolt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt

Constantine later kicked the Nazarim out of Christianity because they were too Judaic. See RELIGIOUS POLICY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great

Nazarim are what the Jews called believers in Christ. (Acts of the Apostles 24:5, Matthew 2:23, Mark 14:67, Mark 16:6)
Christians are what the Greeks called us. (Acts of the Apostles 11:26, Acts of the Apostles 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16)
The Way is what NT believers called themselves. (Acts of the Apostles 24:14, Acts of the Apostles 9:2, Acts of the Apostles 19:9, Acts of the Apostles 19:23, Acts of the Apostles 24:22, 2 Peter 2:2)

CONTEXT
IS Leonard Nimoy using "YHVH bless you" in proper context?

IF he would've used a Christian hand symbol for "God bless you" in Star Trek we'd be thrilled.

Jews, MJs, and Christians who understand the gravity of the hand sign do use it as a solemn "GOD BLESS YOU" much as LN used it. If you notice he never used it as a light "hi", it was always a solemn parting blessing such as Numbers 6:24-26 is meant to be.

FINGERS TOUCHING
When the index finger and middle finger touch, and the ring finger and little finger touch it makes the Hebrew letter SHIN, a pseudonym of YHVH known as Shem (Name) or Hashem (the Name). Jews didn't need to use "Name" or "the Name" UNTIL it was dangerous to say YHVH. It also makes the 1st 2 Hebrew letters of YHVH, or Yah which is a scriptural short form for YHVH. IOW, YH is found often in scripture. YHVH is found much more often in scripture.

HANDS TOUCHING
When the 2 hands touch it makes an almost exact representation of Y H and V H, the 4 Hebrew letters of God's name. We maybe don't see it but Hebrew readers can easily see it. IOW, 1 hand spells YH (Yah) and 2 hands spell YHVH (Yahveh). Hebrew is read right-left.


Interesting[ no pun intended] Well...


On a more serious note, in ancient Hebrew was the term Shin used as a Gynocentric term ?
 
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The Spock sign is the Hebrew sign for YHWH.

IT's a way of pronouncing a blessing over people in God's name.

Leonard Nimoy was Jewish, and when they were looking for a hand sign for the TV show, he proffered the ancient hand sign for YHWH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_salute

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-of-leonard-nimoy-and-live-long-and-prosper/

http://qz.com/352855/the-secret-history-behind-leonard-nimoys-spock-salute/



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Do you find it odd that the character Spock was a Vulcan,and as we dig deeper here's what one definition of Vulcan is:

TUBAL CAIN IN FREEMASONRY-

"Tubal Cain has been considered among Masons as a symbol of worldly possessions." - Albert Gallatin Mackey - A lexicon of freemasonry

Masonic Historian, Albert Gallatin Mackey had said that Tubal Cain is the Vulcan of the Pagans, and is thought to have been closely connected with ancient Freemasonry. Here is a quote on Tubal Cain from Mackey's book, A lexicon of freemasonry;

Tubal Cain (Tobalkin the Vulcan, MES-KALAM-DUG) [13] Lamech (=Zillah) [12] Methusael (=Edna?) [11] Mehujael (=?) [10] Irad (=Baraka?) [9] Enoch (=Edna?) [8] Cain (=Luluwa) [7] Enki and Eve [6] Enki and Nin-khursag [5] Anu and Antu (or Ki) [4] Anshar and Kishar [3] Lahmu and Lahamu [2] Tiamat and Absu [1]

Source: Gnostic warrior.
 
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