Why does everyone think Evolution contradicts Creationism?

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First, this sort of argument can be used to prove the validity of any religion, not just Christianity, and of any denomination of Christianity.

Second, there are probably more people who claim to have been abducted by aliens in flying saucers than people who could mount convincing arguments for the historicity of Alexander the Great. Do you think that this is evidence for the reality of alien abductions?

Third, your favourite book confirms the historicity of Alexander; see Daniel 8:5-8, 21 and I Maccabees 1:1-8.
Here's the bottom line:

If you claimed God didn't exist.

And if I believed you.

We would both be wrong.

If you claimed Thor created the earth.

And if I believed you.

We would both be wrong.
 
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Here's the bottom line:

If you claimed God didn't exist.

And if I believed you.

We would both be wrong.

If you claimed Thor created the earth.

And if I believed you.

We would both be wrong.
And if I said that there were more people claiming to have experienced Thor today than there are historical accounts of Alexander the Great and that therefore the existence of Thor is more probable than that of Alexander, would I be wrong, and if so, why?
 
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If you claimed Thor created the earth.

And if I believed you.

We would both be wrong.
And if I said that there were more people claiming to have experienced Thor today than there are historical accounts of Alexander the Great and that therefore the existence of Thor is more probable than that of Alexander, would I be wrong, and if so, why?
Yes, you would be wrong.

Thor is a fallen angel who is now locked up.

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

So for people to claim they have "experienced Thor today" ... I would consider them wrong.

Notice how I worded my post?

I said if you claimed "Thor created the earth."

I was careful not to say, "Thor exists."

Thus, if you claimed Thor created the earth, you would be wrong.

And if you claimed Thor doesn't exist, you would be wrong.
 
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And humans are still hominids, still primates, still mammals, still vertebrates, and still eukaryotes. So why do you have a problem with humans sharing common ancestry with species in those same groups?

Ah, no..... we cannot breed with apes. The Nazi's tried and failed.

However the chihuahua can breed with a wolf and have offspring. If one tried hard enough and had enough chihuahua's until the wolf was not hungry any more.
 
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Where is this peer reviewed scientific evidence?

Changes in lifestyle and psychosocial status can decrease morbidity, mortality, and even reverse the course of coronary artery disease (CAD).1–4 One example is the Lifestyle Heart Trial (LHT), in which a predominantly male sample of patients was asked to make comprehensive lifestyle changes (diet, exercise, stress management, group support). Substantial decreases of cardiovascular risk factors and events, reversal of coronary atherosclerosis, and improvement in myocardial perfusion in the intervention group were reported. 2–4 http://ornishspectrum.com/wp-conten...risk-factors-and-quality-of-life-in-women.pdf
Vigorous Risk Factor Modification”

Reverse & Prevent Heart Disease

We examined the ability of patients enrolled in the Lifestyle Heart Trial to sustain intensive lifestyle changes for a total of five years and the effects of these lifestyle changes on coronary heart disease. We measured adherence to lifestyle changes, changes in coronary artery percent diameter stenosis, and cardiac events. Outcomes in the experimental group showed significant improvement relative to controls. Additionally, compared to 1 year follow up, 5 year follow ups showed greater improvement relative to controls.

“Intensive Lifestyle Changes for Reversal of Coronary Heart Disease”
Journal of the American Medical Association (PDF)

“Changes in Myocardial Perfusion Abnormalities by Positron Emission Tomography After Long-Term, Intense Risk Factor Modification”
Journal of the American Medical Association (PDF)

“Can Lifestyle Changes Reverse Coronary Heart Disease?”
The Lancet (PDF)

“Effects of Stress Management Training & Dietary Changes in Treating Ischemic Heart Disease”
Journal of the American Medical Association (PDF)

“Improved Stenosis Geometry by Quantitative Coronary Arteriography After

American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Statins and the Soul of Medicine”
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Improvement in Medical Risk Factors & Quality of Life in Women and Men With Coronary Artery Disease in the Multicenter Lifestyle Demonstration Trial”
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Long Term Effects of Lifestyle Changes on Well-Being and Cardiac Variables Among Coronary Heart Disease Patients”
Health Psychology (PDF)

“The Contribution of Changes in Diet, Exercise, and Stress Management in Coronary Risks in Women and Men in the Multisite Cardiac Lifestyle Intervention Program”
Annals of Behavioral Medicine (PDF)

“Lifestyle Changes and Clinical Profile in Heart Disease Patients with an Ejection Fraction of ≤40% or ≥ 40% in the Multicenter Lifestyle Demonstration Project”
The European Journal of Heart Failure (PDF)

“Effects of Pomegranite Juice Consumption on Myocardial Perfusion in Patients with Coronary Heart Disease”
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Angina Pectoris and Atherosclerotic Risk Factors in the Multisite Cardiac Lifestyle Intervention Program”
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Socioeconomic Status and Improvements in Lifestyle, Coronary Risk Factors, and Quality of life: The Multisite Cardiac Lifestyle Intervention Program”
American Journal of Public Health (PDF)

“Relation of B-Type Natriuretic Peptide Levels to Body Mass Index After Comprehensive Lifestyle Changes”
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Dean Ornish, MD: A Conversation With the Editor
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)
 
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What do you think others should do with this knowledge that can not be demonstrated, if they don't agree with you?

I think they should search it out for themselves. All I can do is present what I know. Beyond that, the ball is in the court of those with whom I have shared God. They can follow that path further or dismiss it as a fiction. The reality is that there is a God who formed all things. He cares about that creation with a passion and yearns for them to come to faith in him. But, he will never force them to believe. He could, but that would violate that gift of agency that he so cherishes. Actually, that's part of why Satan fell. He wanted to force mankind to worship God, taking from them the ability to respond to the Lord of their own volition. From ch3 of Genesis as found in the Inspired Version:
1 And I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying, That Satan whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning;

2 And he came before me, saying, Behold I, send me, I will be thy Son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore, give me thine honor.

3 But behold, my beloved Son, which was my beloved and chosen from the beginning, said unto me: Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever.

4 Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him; and also that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten I caused that he should be cast down; and he became Satan.

5 Yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive, and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice.
 
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Where have you been? Science has been telling people to eat fruits, vegetables and lean meats for decades?
Then why are you asking for: "peer reviewed scientific evidence". Back in 1945 they did the first study that showed a high fat diet can clog the veins and cause heart attacks.
 
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What studies?
This is an example.

"The surgeons dismissed the trial for technical reasons. So, many other trials were done, all more or less showing the same thing: bypass surgery improved survival for a few patients with the most severe forms of coronary artery disease, but for most others it relieved symptoms but did not extend lives.” The results raise a philosophical question of the goal of medical treatment: alleviating symptoms or lengthening lives? “How much is it worth investing in a surgical procedure, with all its risks,” he asks, “if all you’re doing is relieving symptoms?”

http://harvardmagazine.com/2013/03/a-cardiac-conundrum

The whole point is that it's better to use diet and lifestyle changes then to rely on surgical procedure.
 
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Does it make you wonder what is going on when people get their science from a comic book?
I used to.

Now I realize Satan has an infrastructure, and the nine muses are as follows:
  1. Calliope is the muse of epic poetry.
  2. Clio is the muse of history.
  3. Erato is the muse of love poetry.
  4. Euterpe is the muse of music.
  5. Melpomene is the muse of tragedy.
  6. Polyhymnia is the muse of sacred poetry.
  7. Terpsichore is the muse of dance.
  8. Thalia is the muse of comedy.
  9. Urania is the muse of astronomy.
Their job is to lead scientists in the way of the Antichrist; sterilizing every jot & tittle of the Bible, until the Antichrist comes and takes over.
 
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Changes in lifestyle and psychosocial status can decrease morbidity, mortality, and even reverse the course of coronary artery disease (CAD).1–4 One example is the Lifestyle Heart Trial (LHT), in which a predominantly male sample of patients was asked to make comprehensive lifestyle changes (diet, exercise, stress management, group support). Substantial decreases of cardiovascular risk factors and events, reversal of coronary atherosclerosis, and improvement in myocardial perfusion in the intervention group were reported. 2–4 http://ornishspectrum.com/wp-conten...risk-factors-and-quality-of-life-in-women.pdf
Vigorous Risk Factor Modification”

Reverse & Prevent Heart Disease

We examined the ability of patients enrolled in the Lifestyle Heart Trial to sustain intensive lifestyle changes for a total of five years and the effects of these lifestyle changes on coronary heart disease. We measured adherence to lifestyle changes, changes in coronary artery percent diameter stenosis, and cardiac events. Outcomes in the experimental group showed significant improvement relative to controls. Additionally, compared to 1 year follow up, 5 year follow ups showed greater improvement relative to controls.

“Intensive Lifestyle Changes for Reversal of Coronary Heart Disease”
Journal of the American Medical Association (PDF)

“Changes in Myocardial Perfusion Abnormalities by Positron Emission Tomography After Long-Term, Intense Risk Factor Modification”
Journal of the American Medical Association (PDF)

“Can Lifestyle Changes Reverse Coronary Heart Disease?”
The Lancet (PDF)

“Effects of Stress Management Training & Dietary Changes in Treating Ischemic Heart Disease”
Journal of the American Medical Association (PDF)

“Improved Stenosis Geometry by Quantitative Coronary Arteriography After

American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Statins and the Soul of Medicine”
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Improvement in Medical Risk Factors & Quality of Life in Women and Men With Coronary Artery Disease in the Multicenter Lifestyle Demonstration Trial”
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Long Term Effects of Lifestyle Changes on Well-Being and Cardiac Variables Among Coronary Heart Disease Patients”
Health Psychology (PDF)

“The Contribution of Changes in Diet, Exercise, and Stress Management in Coronary Risks in Women and Men in the Multisite Cardiac Lifestyle Intervention Program”
Annals of Behavioral Medicine (PDF)

“Lifestyle Changes and Clinical Profile in Heart Disease Patients with an Ejection Fraction of ≤40% or ≥ 40% in the Multicenter Lifestyle Demonstration Project”
The European Journal of Heart Failure (PDF)

“Effects of Pomegranite Juice Consumption on Myocardial Perfusion in Patients with Coronary Heart Disease”
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Angina Pectoris and Atherosclerotic Risk Factors in the Multisite Cardiac Lifestyle Intervention Program”
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Socioeconomic Status and Improvements in Lifestyle, Coronary Risk Factors, and Quality of life: The Multisite Cardiac Lifestyle Intervention Program”
American Journal of Public Health (PDF)

“Relation of B-Type Natriuretic Peptide Levels to Body Mass Index After Comprehensive Lifestyle Changes”
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

“Dean Ornish, MD: A Conversation With the Editor
American Journal of Cardiology (PDF)

Big whoop.

We already knew that decreasing risk factors for heart disease (blood pressure, stress, cholesterol ratios, exercise, controlling diabetes, smoking) will reduce one's risk for heart disease.

Ornish is not alone in stating the same.
 
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This is an example.

"The surgeons dismissed the trial for technical reasons. So, many other trials were done, all more or less showing the same thing: bypass surgery improved survival for a few patients with the most severe forms of coronary artery disease, but for most others it relieved symptoms but did not extend lives.” The results raise a philosophical question of the goal of medical treatment: alleviating symptoms or lengthening lives? “How much is it worth investing in a surgical procedure, with all its risks,” he asks, “if all you’re doing is relieving symptoms?”

http://harvardmagazine.com/2013/03/a-cardiac-conundrum

The whole point is that it's better to use diet and lifestyle changes then to rely on surgical procedure.

If someone has a 99% blockage of their left coronary artery and they have frequent angina, do you think it best they just change their lifestyle, forgo surgery and hope for the best?

For the person with prostate cancer, do you think it best they just change their diet and lifestyle and forgo having the cancer removed?

For the person with breast cancer, do you think it best they just change their diet and lifestyle and forgo surgical removal of the cancer?
 
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Then why are you asking for: "peer reviewed scientific evidence". Back in 1945 they did the first study that showed a high fat diet can clog the veins and cause heart attacks.

Are you aware many of the most recent studies, are showing a higher fat diet may not be as bad as once thought?
 
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Are you aware many of the most recent studies, are showing a higher fat diet may not be as bad as once thought?
You go! Prove that science is wonderful because science has been wrong in the past.

Embrace the paradox! Run with it!
 
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I used to.

Now I realize Satan has an infrastructure, and the nine muses are as follows:
  1. Calliope is the muse of epic poetry.
  2. Clio is the muse of history.
  3. Erato is the muse of love poetry.
  4. Euterpe is the muse of music.
  5. Melpomene is the muse of tragedy.
  6. Polyhymnia is the muse of sacred poetry.
  7. Terpsichore is the muse of dance.
  8. Thalia is the muse of comedy.
  9. Urania is the muse of astronomy.
Their job is to lead scientists in the way of the Antichrist; sterilizing every jot & tittle of the Bible, until the Antichrist comes and takes over.
It has been a long time sense I thought about muses. The ones I remember the most were the Sirens. Their music was so sweet that the sailors could not resist. Yet the waters were so dangerous that they ended up shipwrecked.
 
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For the person with breast cancer, do you think it best they just change their diet and lifestyle and forgo surgical removal of the cancer?
They are working on a diet for reversing Cancer but the results are not in yet. I have not studied up to see how effective it would be. I am sure that there are a lot of foods or additives that need to be avoided to avoid getting cancer. We get pretty good results when we pray for people to recover from Cancer.

Are you aware many of the most recent studies, are showing a higher fat diet may not be as bad as once thought?
Do you mean the Atkins diet? Right now they are trying to cover up that he died from a heart attack and weighed 265 pounds. I suppose you could take your chances if that is the way you want to go, but I do not recommend it.
 
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They are working on a diet for reversing Cancer but the results are not in yet. I have not studied up to see how effective it would be. I am sure that there are a lot of foods or additives that need to be avoided to avoid getting cancer. We get pretty good results when we pray for people to recover from Cancer.

Do you mean the Atkins diet? Right now they are trying to cover up that he died from a heart attack and weighed 265 pounds. I suppose you could take your chances if that is the way you want to go, but I do not recommend it.

As usual, you didn't answer my question.

Why do you struggle so much, to answer straight forward questions?
 
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