Advice

Ashleigh2016 · Aug 13, 2015

I need advice. This may not be the best category but the word of faith movement is what I was raised with. My best friend came out to me. I have been there and I don't know what to do to help him. My family and his are in traditional baptist churches that just say get counseling. I overcame my struggle but it was just a breakthrough. One night I'd been praying in the Spirit and telling that mountain to get out of my life and I haven't really had any problems since. But his family wouldn't understand that. I've been on a Daniel fast for him for four days aside from two meals one at church tonight and one because I got sick Sunday. I am trying so hard to be strong to help his family but I cry all the time. Even at work I end up in the break room or the bathroom crying if i have time to think. We've been friends since the beginning of high school and after some time apart got super close this year. He's my best friend and I feel like I'm losing him. A part of him wants what is right. I saw that a few weeks ago when he was showing ,e scripture. But now he's trying ton justify it. He has so many people praying for him that he'll be miserable until he straightens out but meanwhile I feel like I've lost my best friend. He cut me off. He doesn't want to hear it right now. My mom is praying with me but she's never dealt with a thing like this before. Does anyone have suggestions? I can explain more in a message as I prefer not to post it all publically. He doesnt have his phone which is good all things considered. As for me please pray. This is dragging on and I'd rather not spend My 17th birthday miserable and dealing with this. I want my best friend back. Also I'm terrified he will turn to self harm like i did. I think it's been a temptation when he was under the weight of the guilt when he tried briefly to turn things around. That's what makes me think God is working-he started to turn around then he backed off. But I don't know what to do meanwhile and I don't know how to handle helping him with the guilt and shame that will come with his realizing the seriousness of what he's done. Last time he started to turn around we got closer than ever and with his mom wanting me to be a good influence and be in his life and how close we are I know we will talk again. Does anyone have any advice? If not prayers are greatly appreciated.

God Bless

SavedByGrace3 · Aug 13, 2015

Rebuke the Devil in the name of Jesus.
Pray that God surround him with love and peace. Pray that God open his eyes to the truth of the gospel.

Ashleigh2016 · Aug 13, 2015

Didaskalos said:
Rebuke the Devil in the name of Jesus.
Pray that God surround him with love and peace. Pray that God open his eyes to the truth of the gospel.

I do everyday. I just haven't seen a change yet. I don't know what to tell him or his mom.

SavedByGrace3 · Aug 13, 2015

Ashleigh2016 said:
I do everyday. I just haven't seen a change yet. I don't know what to tell him or his mom.

The word says having done all - stand. There my be nothing else you as an individual can do. The hardest thing but the necessary thing may be to just release them up to God. Let it go and just stand on the word. Rest in it.

Terry sopwith · Aug 15, 2015

Sounds like you are having a tough time. Remember all things work for the good of those who love the lord. Everything you go through will be of benefit to you in the long term. Thank God for your friend and thank Him for the pain you feel too. Do this everyday. Praise God He hasn't made your life simple. Stay close to God and give each day to Him. Fasting and prayer will most certainly help, don't give up on that! but I sense you need to concentrate on thanks giving for him more than anything else. God loved us whilst we were sinners, your friend is not under any condemnation whatsoever and you are not under any pressure to do anything to change matters that are out of your hands. God loves him and thank God He does. You are his friend and that will never change. I will most certainly pray for you Ashliegh and your friend.

Terry

ABlessedAnomaly · Aug 16, 2015

Terry sopwith said:
Sounds like you are having a tough time. Remember all things work for the good of those who love the lord. Everything you go through will be of benefit to you in the long term. Thank God for your friend and thank Him for the pain you feel too. Do this everyday. Praise God He hasn't made your life simple. Stay close to God and give each day to Him. Fasting and prayer will most certainly help, don't give up on that! but I sense you need to concentrate on thanks giving for him more than anything else. God loved us whilst we were sinners, your friend is not under any condemnation whatsoever and you are not under any pressure to do anything to change matters that are out of your hands. God loves him and thank God He does. You are his friend and that will never change. I will most certainly pray for you Ashliegh and your friend.

Terry

Terry, please review the rules for congregational forums. Non-Word/Faith cannot teach here. The points you make here are contrary to Word of Faith teaching that God is good and does not bring pain (or sickness, or confused lives (non-simple)). God does NOT teach us lessons by hurting us. If you have hurt in your life it is NOT God who brought it, but it is a product of the curse.

You are certainly correct that "God loves him and thank God He does."

Catherineanne · Aug 16, 2015

I am not Word of Faith, and this is not intended to contradict any teaching here. It is just a story that came to mind. I read it some time ago and it is a true story, but I can't remember who it is speaking of.

There was a man who would lend books to his friends, but if they failed to return them he would then allow the friendship to cool to the point of disappearing completely. He was once challenged on this behaviour, by someone who said, 'Would you really risk losing your friend x just for the sake of a book?'

'Certainly not,' he replied. 'But x would'.

ABlessedAnomaly · Aug 16, 2015

Ashleigh2016 said:
I need advice. This may not be the best category but the word of faith movement is what I was raised with. My best friend came out to me. I have been there and I don't know what to do to help him. My family and his are in traditional baptist churches that just say get counseling. I overcame my struggle but it was just a breakthrough. One night I'd been praying in the Spirit and telling that mountain to get out of my life and I haven't really had any problems since. But his family wouldn't understand that. I've been on a Daniel fast for him for four days aside from two meals one at church tonight and one because I got sick Sunday. I am trying so hard to be strong to help his family but I cry all the time. Even at work I end up in the break room or the bathroom crying if i have time to think. We've been friends since the beginning of high school and after some time apart got super close this year. He's my best friend and I feel like I'm losing him. A part of him wants what is right. I saw that a few weeks ago when he was showing ,e scripture. But now he's trying ton justify it. He has so many people praying for him that he'll be miserable until he straightens out but meanwhile I feel like I've lost my best friend. He cut me off. He doesn't want to hear it right now. My mom is praying with me but she's never dealt with a thing like this before. Does anyone have suggestions? I can explain more in a message as I prefer not to post it all publically. He doesnt have his phone which is good all things considered. As for me please pray. This is dragging on and I'd rather not spend My 17th birthday miserable and dealing with this. I want my best friend back. Also I'm terrified he will turn to self harm like i did. I think it's been a temptation when he was under the weight of the guilt when he tried briefly to turn things around. That's what makes me think God is working-he started to turn around then he backed off. But I don't know what to do meanwhile and I don't know how to handle helping him with the guilt and shame that will come with his realizing the seriousness of what he's done. Last time he started to turn around we got closer than ever and with his mom wanting me to be a good influence and be in his life and how close we are I know we will talk again. Does anyone have any advice? If not prayers are greatly appreciated.

God Bless

Hi Ashleigh,

It is always a tough situation when a friend comes out. The practices of such, of course, are sinful. The continued practice of sin is what condemns a person according to 1 John 3. In this we all have a responsibility to help the person to understand this, especially if that person has any desire to be a Christian.

This is your best friend. He likely considers you a best friend as well. But as he walks through this tough time trying to sort out his feelings, his confusion, his desires, his sexuality, he will need his friends to be there. To be his friend does not mean that you need to agree with his confusion.

As you try to explain to him that that his actions are sinful he will pull away. If you continue to "lead your punches" with this, and especially if this is the only conversation that you have with him, then he will pull away and you will not be in a position to be effective in correcting him.

You need to be a friend. You need to be a friend, though, without compromising your beliefs in Christian teaching. You cannot "accept" his confusion; you cannot allow in any way that his desires are "ok.". But at the same time you need to emphasize that (while you can have these conversations) you want to be his friend. You need to emphasize that this conversation will not be put aside or stopped, but that it does not need to be the only conversation that takes place.

To clarify: I have many Christian friends and talking about the bible and doctrine and theology is NOT the only thing we talk about. We talk about work, about sports, about people, about politics, etc. But if any of my friends have sin that is apparent in their lives, we certainly come back to it from time to time so that we can correct the problem.

Most of all: if he pulls away and will not be your friend then you cannot help other than to pray for him. If you can tell him that you want to be friends, that this subject does not have to be the only thing you talk about, but that this subject CANNOT be put aside because you do care for him and this practice is very dangerous spiritually.

This process of talking to him and getting him to engage in this discussion may take time. He is in a vulnerable position right now where he feels that this is his true nature and doesn't want anyone beating on him, condemning him, ridiculing him.

And you DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT beat, condemn, ridicule or otherwise, him. You need to be a compassionate friend. You need to make him understand that you care, regardless of his current decision. You need to let him know that any practice of this sin is NOT OK with you, but you don't want this to break your friendship. You must keep the friendship so that you have the opportunity to witness to him and convince him that he is in sin.

He may be confused right now. In that confusion he may be pulling away from you. He may be pulling away from his faith. There are likely temporary fears that are making him retreat. But you need to reach out and grab his hand and pull him back into being best friends with you. Prove to him you are his friend. Only in this friendship will he ever listen. He must be able to trust you. And that trust must be based upon a true love for him as a friend.

If any of this resonates with you and you want to converse further then pm me and I'll try to help answer any questions that you have in this confusing time.

God bless you, Ashleigh. If more people who wander off God's path had friends like you who are willing to love them through it, and not people who condemn them for their sin, there may be more prodigal coming back to the Lord and correcting their walk with the Lord.

ABlessedAnomaly · Aug 16, 2015

Catherineanne said:
I am not Word of Faith, and this is not intended to contradict any teaching here. It is just a story that came to mind. I read it some time ago and it is a true story, but I can't remember who it is speaking of.

There was a man who would lend books to his friends, but if they failed to return them he would then allow the friendship to cool to the point of disappearing completely. He was once challenged on this behaviour, by someone who said, 'Would you really risk losing your friend x just for the sake of a book?'

'Certainly not,' he replied. 'But x would'.

I think this analogy is good to a point. There are too many people who, when they find that someone close is acting in ways that they should not, are too quick to pull the trigger on the friendship and call it quits.

Instead we need to be willing to go to battle against the whisperings of the enemy and fight for the soul of our friend.

There does come a time when we need to let go and wipe the dust from our feet, as scripture tells us, but that time does not come without much witness and edification of the one who is in sin.

Further, if our friend is willing to walk away from us and not look back, there is little we can do about it other than to pray for them.

Thanks for the analogy.

Ashleigh2016 · Aug 16, 2015

I think I need to clarify something. Never in a million years would I do anything to lose our friendship. I love him, as a friend. I'm not going to accept this but I'm not going to beat him over the head either. When he brings it up I point him to scripture. Otherwise I'm just trying to be there for him. It's just a little hard with him not having his phone.

ABlessedAnomaly · Aug 16, 2015

Ashleigh2016 said:
I think I need to clarify something. Never in a million years would I do anything to lose our friendship. I love him, as a friend. I'm not going to accept this but I'm not going to beat him over the head either. When he brings it up I point him to scripture. Otherwise I'm just trying to be there for him. It's just a little hard with him not having his phone.

Absolutely (I hope I didn't leave you with any other impression).

The only thing I'd challenge is this: "When he brings it up I point him to scripture." I'd encourage you to not wait for him to bring it up, for he may not ever again. You need to get the conversation there, but in a way that he will engage you and not run away.

Ashleigh2016 · Aug 16, 2015

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ABlessedMan said:
Absolutely (I hope I didn't leave you with any other impression).

The only thing I'd challenge is this: "When he brings it up I point him to scripture." I'd encourage you to not wait for him to bring it up, for he may not ever again. You need to get the conversation there, but in a way that he will engage you and not run away.

I'm sorry I should have clarified. Because it's such a big struggle it's like an every time we talk discussion. When we were at a conference we'd get back almost every day and spend an hour or two just talking about it and trying to figure things out. He called me and it came up. It's bothering him so much and since he keeps getting his phone taken because of how he's responding to this struggle it's a very common discussion. We even managed to have it when I was in Guatemala with no phone signal.

Catherineanne · Aug 16, 2015

Ashleigh2016 said:
I think I need to clarify something. Never in a million years would I do anything to lose our friendship. I love him, as a friend. I'm not going to accept this but I'm not going to beat him over the head either. When he brings it up I point him to scripture. Otherwise I'm just trying to be there for him. It's just a little hard with him not having his phone.

Most excellent.

Prayers for anyone affected.

ABlessedAnomaly · Aug 16, 2015

Ashleigh2016 said:
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I'm sorry I should have clarified. Because it's such a big struggle it's like an every time we talk discussion. When we were at a conference we'd get back almost every day and spend an hour or two just talking about it and trying to figure things out. He called me and it came up. It's bothering him so much and since he keeps getting his phone taken because of how he's responding to this struggle it's a very common discussion. We even managed to have it when I was in Guatemala with no phone signal.

It sounds like he could not have a better friend than the friend he has in you. As long as he's willing to discuss this, take every opportunity to get him to realize the sin. As always, do this without pushing him away. Do your best to convey how the whole situation affects you. By letting him know that his own internal struggle and pain is not the only pain being felt by anyone will get him to see the gravity of the situation. By explaining the biblical stance against homosexuality, perhaps he will consider it deeply. This, of course, assumes he desires Christianity. If so, here is an article I wrote last year that may shed light on the gravity of this situation biblically for him. We need to be compassionate, but don't back down.

You are a true friend to not simply run from this (a lot of people would). Stand firm in your faith. Pray for him. Pray for strength and wisdom for yourself as well to deal with him in compassion, yet boldness. God bless you!

Ashleigh2016 · Aug 16, 2015

ABlessedMan said:
It sounds like he could not have a better friend than the friend he has in you. As long as he's willing to discuss this, take every opportunity to get him to realize the sin. As always, do this without pushing him away. Do your best to convey how the whole situation affects you. By letting him know that his own internal struggle and pain is not the only pain being felt by anyone will get him to see the gravity of the situation. By explaining the biblical stance against homosexuality, perhaps he will consider it deeply. This, of course, assumes he desires Christianity. If so, here is an article I wrote last year that may shed light on the gravity of this situation biblically for him. We need to be compassionate, but don't back down.

You are a true friend to not simply run from this (a lot of people would). Stand firm in your faith. Pray for him. Pray for strength and wisdom for yourself as well to deal with him in compassion, yet boldness. God bless you!

Thank you so much. I must say that is some of the best advice I've gotten just because I get what you're saying. I really appreciate your help and I'm going to look at that article. He goes through periods of rebellion but over the years he's even willing to be called out and bullied in school for standing up for Christ and his heart is right he's just making some big mistakes and trying to figure everything out right now.

ABlessedAnomaly · Aug 17, 2015

Ashleigh2016 said:
Thank you so much. I must say that is some of the best advice I've gotten just because I get what you're saying. I really appreciate your help and I'm going to look at that article. He goes through periods of rebellion but over the years he's even willing to be called out and bullied in school for standing up for Christ and his heart is right he's just making some big mistakes and trying to figure everything out right now.

Remember this: no matter how long this takes, as long as your friend does not give up on listening (and does not give up on God), you must patiently, patiently, patiently keep witnessing to him. Be bold, but be loving. This may take days, weeks, months? The Lord is calling him (or he wouldn't be interested and concerned), but he must respond.

Above all: be patient, loving and bold.

God bless you!

Terry sopwith · Aug 17, 2015

ABlessedMan said:
Terry, please review the rules for congregational forums. Non-Word/Faith cannot teach here. The points you make here are contrary to Word of Faith teaching that God is good and does not bring pain (or sickness, or confused lives (non-simple)). God does NOT teach us lessons by hurting us. If you have hurt in your life it is NOT God who brought it, but it is a product of the curse.

You are certainly correct that "God loves him and thank God He does."

I did NOT say to Ashleigh to thank God for bringing pain or imply that God was hurting her! There are times in all our lives when we go through great pain, we are to give thanks in all things not just when things are going well for us. I thank God for the pain I feel for others, it is of Him and His heart so I thank Him for it. I thank God that Ashleigh feels pain for her friend, she cares deeply for him and that is from God. Her life is in His hands including all that she feels. For those that belong to the Lord feeling hurt or pain for others is not a product of the curse it is the result of having Gods heart in us, as Jesus wept so do we. Ashleigh does not feel pain as a product of any curse, she feels pain due to the love she has for her friend as Greater is He that is in her than he that is in the world.

This is the sort of thanksgiving prayer I was thinking about.

" Thank you Lord for the love you have given me for my friend, thank you that you have given me so much love for him it hurts when I see him fall, thank you for the pain I feel for him Lord and thank you for the knowledge that this is your pain too, please use me Lord to help my friend, I ask this in your precious name Jesus..Amen"

Nothing contradictory in that.

Terry

ABlessedAnomaly · Aug 17, 2015

Terry sopwith said:
I did NOT say to Ashleigh to thank God for bringing pain or imply that God was hurting her! There are times in all our lives when we go through great pain, we are to give thanks in all things not just when things are going well for us. I thank God for the pain I feel for others, it is of Him and His heart so I thank Him for it. I thank God that Ashleigh feels pain for her friend, she cares deeply for him and that is from God. Her life is in His hands including all that she feels. For those that belong to the Lord feeling hurt or pain for others is not a product of the curse it is the result of having Gods heart in us, as Jesus wept so do we. Ashleigh does not feel pain as a product of any curse, she feels pain due to the love she has for her friend as Greater is He that is in her than he that is in the world.

This is the sort of thanksgiving prayer I was thinking about.

" Thank you Lord for the love you have given me for my friend, thank you that you have given me so much love for him it hurts when I see him fall, thank you for the pain I feel for him Lord and thank you for the knowledge that this is your pain too, please use me Lord to help my friend, I ask this in your precious name Jesus..Amen"

Nothing contradictory in that.

Terry

I understand what you are saying. I understand theologies that teach such.

Word of Faith is not one of them. The prayer you propose glorifies the pain and not the healing. This concept is not embraced by Word of Faith. It is not taught in Word of Faith. We don't offer thanks for pain.

Do we ever feel pain? Of course. Does God move in our sorrow and pain to bring "beauty for ashes?" Absolutely.

Is pain in this girl's life because of "any curse" in her life? No. I'm not speaking of specific curses or things like generational curses here. I'm speaking of The curse.

Today I invoke heaven and earth as a witness against you that I have set life and death, blessing and curse, before you. Therefore choose life so that you and your descendants may live!
Deut 30:19 (NET)

Her friend chose, even as we pray it is only momentarily, to move toward the curse and out of God's blessing. Her emotions are caught up in this because he is her good friend.

Am I to thank God for the pain in my life when a friend embraces sin? I understand that God allowed pain to occur so that I would help, be moved to compassion, not be numb to the situation.

Again, I do understand that within the many denominations that exist in Christianity that there are some who "glory in pain." I'm not saying that you are promoting this directly. But this movement, Word of Faith, does not give glory to any product of our lives that is not a direct gift of God. God does not bring pain (you do agree with at least this statement, right?). God will not make us hurt so that He can teach us a lesson (He's far more resourceful than that).

Ashleigh is in a painful position. Her friend is walking away from God's blessing and away from God. God doesn't glory in that pain. God will glory in this young man's renewed mind if, and when, he repents of this decision and returns to God. That is where God will get glory from this.

And in the meantime, we see that glory of God wrapping His loving arms around this young woman, loving her, and leading her to help her friend back onto the right path. Ultimately, though, it will be his decision; it is his free will choice.

Alive_Again · Aug 17, 2015

One thing in particular that has helped me when it comes to loved ones who are drawn off or away from where God is taking you. We don't really know God's plan in their lives but you have enough faith to know that God loves them. The most important thing is that they make it.

There's a lot of shaking going on and the things that can be shaken are and will be. The part of you that wants to hold on in fear is shaking. But take comfort that committed to God, He can deal with your loved ones in ways you can never know (until that day at least). He can bring things/permit things into their lives and arrange angelic encounters that bring about change (often a process). He can arrange for them to hear words, even isolated sentences from seemingly disconnected sources and "connect them" to what they're dealing with. He can make roads people take revealed as what they really are (dead ends).

In short, have faith that your intercession on their behalf is going to work for the best for them. It's going to be POWERFUL.

I love the revelation Kat Kerr received from God on your loved ones and the scripture about "you and your household will be saved". This is a covenant promise to those who are precious to you (whether you're living with them or not). Your job is to commit them to His care and to pray for them (as you're led), and to BELIEVE that this promise is for YOU (also them as a beneficiary of your's and HIS faithfulness).

Just like Charles Capps has wonderful teachings on declaring God's Word "over' your life; literally sowing the seed of the promises into your heart to take care of as a gardener; watering them and giving them light with daily meditation. Sowing "life" by declaring the powerful Words of God over your and your loved ones lives. It sets the angels to work by your faith and agreement.

In the same way, as Kat Kerr teaches, DECLARE the promise of God for your loved ones, that He'll work in their behalf. It will release the burden your soul took on and you'll sow that promise in your heart. Continue to declare God's Word over your loved ones. That seed will grow and you'lll have a sense within you that something is in the works! I was doing the Charles Capps Gospills and then expanded that to include those who are very precious to me. The more I did it, the more comfort I received on the inside, because I KNEW it was working. I was being strengthened and I knew God would be faithful to His promise.

There was a prophetic word I ran across where He said something like "rejoice and you'll speed the process up" (for things we commit to Him). Also, the more you leave it to Him, the more effective what you desire to come forth (in a timetable that takes faith and patience). Minister to yourself by declaring the Word over your loved ones (have fun digging up some promises) and then don't depart from your confession that He's handling it. Don't complain and don't grieve. One you initiate the "flow" in this whole process, you'll feel TONS better because you're no longer carrying the burden, and the process is sure. The believer's part is faithfulness to walk with God and to believe.

I think sometimes God calls us to care for people (even to the point of hurt), but in your care for them, someone "takes them on" as a dear one they can't see not making Heaven. Not as a burden we carry, but as someone important to effect powerful intercession on their behalf. It's a blessed place for someone to love and care for you to that point. They benefit in spite of temporary parting of ways.

I hope this helps. I would read up on some teaching about "soul ties" as well. God keeps godly ties in place and wants us released from ungodly ties we sometimes give ourselves to. He keeps it all in the right places and LOVE ABIDES.

Terry sopwith · Aug 17, 2015

ABlessedMan said:
I understand what you are saying. I understand theologies that teach such.

The bible teaches such, not theologians.

Word of Faith is not one of them. The prayer you propose glorifies the pain and not the healing. This concept is not embraced by Word of Faith. It is not taught in Word of Faith. We don't offer thanks for pain.

Do we give thanks for the sacrifice of Jesus? Did He not suffer great pain? Do we give thanks for the pain that God suffered for us? do you not embrace this?

Do we ever feel pain? Of course. Does God move in our sorrow and pain to bring "beauty for ashes?" Absolutely.

God moves in our sorrow and pain, praise God you are right! In the midst of our pain God can work! So what do we do when we are hurting for somebody? Blame it on the curse? No! we thank God that He is able to move via the pain we feel. We give thanks in all things.

Is pain in this girl's life because of "any curse" in her life? No. I'm not speaking of specific curses or things like generational curses here. I'm speaking of The curse.

Jesus became "The" curse for us, we are free from it. Galatians 3:13-14

Today I invoke heaven and earth as a witness against you that I have set life and death, blessing and curse, before you. Therefore choose life so that you and your descendants may live!
Deut 30:19 (NET)

New Testament is clear, Choose Jesus He is life.

Her friend chose, even as we pray it is only momentarily, to move toward the curse and out of God's blessing. Her emotions are caught up in this because he is her good friend.

She is caught up in her love for her friend, it is not due to a curse she is free from. I say again Greater is He that is her than he that is the world.

Am I to thank God for the pain in my life when a friend embraces sin? I understand that God allowed pain to occur so that I would help, be moved to compassion, not be numb to the situation.

I did NOT say thank God for her friends sin. You say God allows pain and can move through our sorrow and pain to bring "beauty for ashes?" so why not thank Him for that, you say it moves you to compassion so why not thank Him for that too. I say again, in all things give thanks. Should I thank God for your continues twisting of my words? Yes! I thank God because as a result of it you might learn something!!

Again, I do understand that within the many denominations that exist in Christianity that there are some who "glory in pain." I'm not saying that you are promoting this directly. But this movement, Word of Faith, does not give glory to any product of our lives that is not a direct gift of God. God does not bring pain (you do agree with at least this statement, right?). God will not make us hurt so that He can teach us a lesson (He's far more resourceful than that).

I do not belong to a denomination or any new movement. I am not promoting "glory in pain" directly or indirectly. I did NOT say God brings pain. I did NOT say glory in pain, I did NOT say give glory to something that is not from God. I did Not say that God hurts us to teach us a lesson. Do you actually have any idea of what it is I am saying? By giving thanks to God you embrace all that you encounter, you do not have to understand this, it is an act of faith.

Ashleigh is in a painful position. Her friend is walking away from God's blessing and away from God. God doesn't glory in that pain. God will glory in this young man's renewed mind if, and when, he repents of this decision and returns to God. That is where God will get glory from this.

Again, I did NOT say that God glories in pain. He already has ALL the glory and there is nothing you or I can do to add to that. I never even mentioned glory!

And in the meantime, we see that glory of God wrapping His loving arms around this young woman, loving her, and leading her to help her friend back onto the right path. Ultimately, though, it will be his decision; it is his free will choice.

I see a young girl looking for advice.

Terry

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