Why so Many Angry Christians today ?

Rajni · Aug 14, 2015

Jaxxi said:
Thats like saying God created Lucifer knowing he would be cast out of heaven. He didnt know he would tempt Eve and therefore asked "Who told you that you were naked?" And when God created man he didnt know Satan and his legion would alter His creation Genesis 6:5 " Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts in his heart was only evil continually. 6:6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart." Which shows He didnt know beforehand or else He wouldnt have had to flood the earth. It also shows God might not be totally perfect because He was sorry He created us in the first place.

"God didn't know..."? ⊙_ʘ
"God might not be totally perfect..."? ⊙▂⊙

Sorry ... I just don't hear believers say that very often,
so that's why I'm all like ⊙_ʘ and ⊙▂⊙. •‿•

Here's my take:

There's nothing that God doesn't know. He's omniscient (see
Psalm 139, Psalm 147:5, 1 John 3:19-20, Isaiah 46:9-10,
Matthew 10:30, Psalm 139:4, Jeremiah 17:10 1 Sam 16:7,
Luke 16:15, Acts 1:24, 1 Kings 8:39, 1 Chronicles 28:9,
2 Chronicles 6:30, Proverbs 15:11, Proverbs 16:2,
Proverbs 24:12, Jeremiah 11:20).

As for Him being less than perfect, I would sooner suspect that the
text is less than perfect for even stating that. Instead, I take it as
an instance where the scribe who wrote it was projecting his own
feelings onto God, forgetting that God's omniscience and omnipotence
would preclude any regret on the latter's part.

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ScottA · Aug 14, 2015

Alithis said:
... the bible warms about those saying he has already come .. they shall say he is here or there ..do not believe them .

That is NOT what it says. Go back and read it: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+24:23-28&version=NKJV.

The passage refers to those saying "see" him physically, and that they are not to be believed - because he does not return in the flesh, but in the spirit. Thus, verse 28 ridicules them for expecting the flesh, like some carcass.

Alithis said:
guess what .. it says every eyes shall see him when he returns .. he hasn't returned yet because i missed it or he lied ..but he cannot lie .. and we have not seen what has not yet taken place

Paul clarifies the passage that you refer to as every eye seeing "in his own order (in his own time)"...in other words, NOT all at once, but throughout all the generations of the times of the gentiles, when they are born again of the spirit, or when they die.

Jaxxi · Aug 14, 2015

chaela said:
"God didn't know..."? ⊙_ʘ
"God might not be totally perfect..."? ⊙▂⊙

Sorry ... I just don't hear believers say that very often,
so that's why I'm all like ⊙_ʘ and ⊙▂⊙. •‿•

Here's my take:

There's nothing that God doesn't know. He's omniscient (see
Psalm 139, Psalm 147:5, 1 John 3:19-20, Isaiah 46:9-10,
Matthew 10:30, Psalm 139:4, Jeremiah 17:10 1 Sam 16:7,
Luke 16:15, Acts 1:24, 1 Kings 8:39, 1 Chronicles 28:9,
2 Chronicles 6:30, Proverbs 15:11, Proverbs 16:2,
Proverbs 24:12, Jeremiah 11:20).

As for Him being less than perfect, I would sooner suspect that the
text is less than perfect for even stating that. Instead, I take it as
an instance where the scribe who wrote it was projecting his own
feelings onto God, forgetting that God's omniscience and omnipotence
would preclude any regret on the latter's part.

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It says what it says and as believers we are to take the Bible as the living word of God, no? And the Scribe was Moses who heard God better than any human!!

Jaxxi · Aug 14, 2015

2KnowHim said:
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Bibles read different but translate the same. What is repent? To say you are sorry...

Jaxxi · Aug 14, 2015

chaela said:
Right, but are the *people* burned up there, or their *works*?

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The people. They seperate themselves from God- God doesnt want ANYONE to be cast there but when Hes had enough of the evil and wickedness, thats where they go..

ScottA · Aug 14, 2015

chaela said:
Right, but are the *people* burned up there, or their *works*?

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eh....it says "anyone."

Alithis · Aug 14, 2015

ScottA said:
That is NOT what it says. Go back and read it: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+24:23-28&version=NKJV.

The passage refers to those saying "see" him physically, and that they are not to be believed - because he does not return in the flesh, but in the spirit. Thus, verse 28 ridicules them for expecting the flesh, like some carcass.
Paul clarifies the passage that you refer to as every eye seeing "in his own order (in his own time)"...in other words, NOT all at once, but throughout all the generations of the times of the gentiles, when they are born again of the spirit, or when they die.

that is a whole load of rubbish and could not be further from the truth.. " as the angels told the apostles .. he would return as they saw him go ..
whoo there is a whole lot of devils doctrines flying around this forum. its not controversial theology it is demonic deceptive lies

Rajni · Aug 14, 2015

Jaxxi said:

It says what it says

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Right, so it says that God knows everything and is totally perfect.

and as believers we are to take the Bible as the living word of God, no?

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No.

The Bible doesn't call *itself* "the living word of God."

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We
have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who
came from the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)

Notice there how the Word became "flesh", not "print". -ᴗ•

Therefore, it's safe to say that believers are to take *God*—rather
than a book—as the living Word of God.

And the Scribe was Moses who heard God better than any human!!

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Apparently Moses didn't hear God well enough, if he was writing down
things that made God sound like He was regretting a mistake (God
doesn't make mistakes), suggesting He didn't know what He was doing
(God knows what He's doing). God isn't just another fallible human
being. He's omniscient and omnipotent. Any reporting that goes
against those two, strictly Divine, traits is extremely suspect, imo.

ScottA said:

eh....it says "anyone."

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Yes, cast into the Lake of Fire.
But since the Bible sets a precedent for people being cast into
fires without actually getting destroyed, what does the bible say
actually gets burned up?

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ScottA · Aug 15, 2015

Alithis said:
that is a whole load of rubbish and could not be further from the truth.. " as the angels told the apostles .. he would return as they saw him go ..
whoo there is a whole lot of devils doctrines flying around this forum. its not controversial theology it is demonic deceptive lies

You know more than you know, or at least say more than you know.

You are correct, that is indeed what the angels said. But you do not understand: He went from the physical to the spirit (to the Father). God is spirit. He went from being physical to being into the spirit glory of the Father... He went in the spirit...and thus, has returned in the spirit...just as the angels said.

Or would you say that He is not with us?

If He is with us...He HAS returned. You cannot have it both ways.

ScottA · Aug 15, 2015

chaela said:
Yes, cast into the Lake of Fire.
But since the Bible sets a precedent for people being cast into
fires without actually getting destroyed, what does the bible say
actually gets burned up?

Revelation 20:15
"And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

You are twisting this passage as if it was referring to those "found" in The book of Life. It's not.

Jaxxi · Aug 15, 2015

chaela said:
Right, so it says that God knows everything and is totally perfect.

No.

The Bible doesn't call *itself* "the living word of God."

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We
have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who
came from the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)

Notice there how the Word became "flesh", not "print". -ᴗ•

Therefore, it's safe to say that believers are to take *God*—rather
than a book—as the living Word of God.

Apparently Moses didn't hear God well enough, if he was writing down
things that made God sound like He was regretting a mistake (God
doesn't make mistakes), suggesting He didn't know what He was doing
(God knows what He's doing). God isn't just another fallible human
being. He's omniscient and omnipotent. Any reporting that goes
against those two, strictly Divine, traits is extremely suspect, imo.

Yes, cast into the Lake of Fire.
But since the Bible sets a precedent for people being cast into
fires without actually getting destroyed, what does the bible say
actually gets burned up?

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How can you dissect the words or impress their literal meaning when you just said "
I would sooner suspect that the
text is less than perfect for even stating that. Instead, I take it as
an instance where the scribe who wrote it was projecting his own
feelings onto God." and if that is the case and God is perfect, then why was His creation so imperfect? If He knew everything why did He create man only to flood the earth and wipe Him out? If God commands us ' Thou shalt not kill' because it is a sin...yet God killed His own people He created! I know it says "Thou shalt not put thy God to the Test" and I would never dare, I am merely stating observation. I am not lying or blaspheming in any way. These are just the questions I have. If He made us in His image then why are we not perfect? And if God created everything, then why did He create something as evil as Satan? Because He didnt know beforehand that Lucifer would turn against Him. I believe Lucifer was the first angel God created because He made him the most beautiful, most intelligent, most loved of all the angels but when he was cast down to earth He made him hideous and He despised him.

Jaxxi · Aug 15, 2015

RDKirk said:
Actually "who told you that you were naked?" does not necessarily mean God didn't know. It can just as well mean He wanted Adam to say it for our future benefit. Adam's response reveals--for our edification--a couple of things, including:

1. Adam's heart had been hardened against his wife, shown by how quickly he throws her under the bus, which was not the way it was in the beginning (Matthew 19:8)
2. Because Adam had taken the authority to decide for himself what was good and what was evil, he did not admit that eating the fruit was evil. It was yet his opinion that he was not at fault. His response showed no repentance.

But, now, you have the opinion that God does things--huge things--without knowing what their consequences will be. You also have the opinion that God makes immense blunders and is terribly careless. What other conclusion is it when God has only two people on earth and can't keep an eye even on them with a known enemy prowling around. And He didn't warn them, either.

That's gross negligence. We would remove a child from a parent's custody for that level of negligence. Yet, you believe that's what God is.

That makes God no better than any of the Greek pantheon. I can understand why someone would worship a God like that from fear of angering Him, but why would you put your trust in Him, if you believe He can't keep His eye on you to protect you from Satan?

Why would you believe anything He says...if you believe He might say, "Aw, shucks, I made a mistake. I'm sorry I did that?"

It is not my opinion. It is what is written in the Bible! I didnt write it! How else do YOU interpret Genesis 6:5 through 6:7. Please tell me!! What does it say? Please educate me so I might understand His reason for the flood.

2KnowHim · Aug 15, 2015

anonymouswho said:
How are we supposed to love God if the carnal mind hates Him? God is Love. Without Him, we have no Love. How can we feel what we don't have towards something we don't know?

Sorry, but that was worth repeating.

Jaxxi said:
it says "IF ANY MANS WORK " regarding his work then it says "IF ANY MANS NAME.." regarding himself. It doesnt say "IF any mans name is not in the book of life his work shall be thrown in the lake of fire". It says "HE shall be thrown in the lake of fire."

Yes, but Name in scripture always represents (spiritually) his nature, character etc. Meaning....if they still have the carnal nature of the first Adam, then they must be put through the fire, to be transformed into The Last Adam.
And the first Adam's Works are not good.

2KnowHim · Aug 15, 2015

Jaxxi said:
Because He didnt know beforehand that Lucifer would turn against Him. I believe Lucifer was the first angel God created because He made him the most beautiful, most intelligent, most loved of all the angels but when he was cast down to earth He made him hideous and He despised him.

You have been taught this by men, Not by The Spirit of God. By ONE MAN (not an angel, not a serpent) sin entered The world and death by sin passed upon all men.
So, if it was an angel or a serpent that was first disobedient against God in the heavens, then you can bet that Angel or serpent was ADAM. Because Adam is the one that the bible claims where sin and death came from.

DrBubbaLove · Aug 15, 2015

Blades said:
Do not forget that the Word of God tells us that at the sound of the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tounge will swear allegiance/confess Jesus is Lord, does not sound like anybody is in disagreement or lost to God there...

I have no doubt that every knee will bow - but just like every knee bowing to an earthly king does not reflect the same intent behind that act - the verse quoted does not have to indicate that every knee bowing means that everyone doing so is loving serving, or wanting to know Good.

RDKirk · Aug 15, 2015

Jaxxi said:
It is not my opinion. It is what is written in the Bible! I didnt write it! How else do YOU interpret Genesis 6:5 through 6:7. Please tell me!! What does it say? Please educate me so I might understand His reason for the flood.

Before I answer any additional questions from you, first you answer the questions I asked you in the previous post.

But, now, you have the opinion that God does things--huge things--without knowing what their consequences will be. You also have the opinion that God makes immense blunders and is terribly careless. What other conclusion is it when God has only two people on earth and can't keep an eye even on them with a known enemy prowling around. And He didn't warn them, either.

That's gross negligence. We would remove a child from a parent's custody for that level of negligence. Yet, you believe that's what God is.

That makes God no better than any of the Greek pantheon. I can understand why someone would worship a God like that from fear of angering Him, but why would you put your trust in Him, if you believe He can't keep His eye on you to protect you from Satan?

Why would you believe anything He says...if you believe He might say, "Aw, shucks, I made a mistake. I'm sorry I did that?"

Jaxxi · Aug 15, 2015

Because like anyone you learn from your mistakes. You do it different the next time around. Thou it is not a Holy text, you should read The Book of Adam and Eve part one you can download it as a pdf file. It is very deep and insightful to Gods relationship with the first man on earth. He did protect them but just because He is the God of our universe, does not mean He is not the God of countless others and in our human mind we cannot even begin to imagine what He might have going on in His agenda. He might be busy designing stalagmites in caves or creating undiscovered underwater phenomena at the bottom of the ocean. Man was given enough scruples to discern between what is good and what is evil and He isnt a babysitter. I trust in Him because Hes never let me down and trust me Ive tangled with the devil and its nothing nice. Its impossible to fight a force you cannot see without the help of God and it only happened once, but Ive never experienced fear like that before or since, but I can tell you with an inner scream out to God He was there and made it leave me. Fear is an understatement. What i experienced i didnt know was possible. I never knew things like that could happen to people. Come to find out the people across the hall had a pentagram chalked out on the floor and candles lit and were conjurring demons in a seance. Stupid witches. It almost cost me my soul. Praise to the Lord, I am still here.

So now you..what does it say?

Jaxxi · Aug 15, 2015

2KnowHim said:
You have been taught this by men, Not by The Spirit of God. By ONE MAN (not an angel, not a serpent) sin entered The world and death by sin passed upon all men.
So, if it was an angel or a serpent that was first disobedient against God in the heavens, then you can bet that Angel or serpent was ADAM. Because Adam is the one that the bible claims where sin and death came from.

How and why was one man capable of causing sin and death to an entire planet of people? And why if that is the case did those people live to be 900 years old? Sounds like they were cheating death to me...

Jaxxi · Aug 15, 2015

The message that was here was not presented correctly. Sorry.

2KnowHim · Aug 15, 2015

DrBubbaLove said:
I have no doubt that every knee will bow - but just like every knee bowing to an earthly king does not reflect the same intent behind that act - the verse quoted does not have to indicate that every knee bowing means that everyone doing so is loving serving, or wanting to know Good.

Really? Let see....

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

confess
From G1537 and G3670; to acknowledge or (by implication of assent) agree fully: - confess, profess, promise.

Glory
From the base of G1380; glory (as very apparent), in a wide application (literally or figuratively, objectively or subjectively): - dignity, glory (-ious), honour, praise, worship.

And no one can call Him Lord but by the Holy Spirit. I know that is in scripture somewhere but I can't find it.

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