We're in the end of days

keras said:

Re; are we in the last days? Unequivocally YES.
How do I know that? From the 7000 year Plan of God for mankind.

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Is that your 'round table', Jipsah?
Cynical, scoffing posts like that just confirm your paucity of knowledge and understanding.

The 7000 years of mans time on earth is a very well known and accepted doctrine, from the Early Church Fathers, to modern scholars. You don't agree? Evolutionist are you?
Adding up all the ages of the Patriarchs, the period the various kings reigned and the known exile date of Judah, etc; the time span from 29.5 AD back to when Adam was created, is exactly 4000 years.
2015.5 - where we are now, minus 29.5 - when Jesus was baptised in the holy Spirit = 1,986 years have now elapsed .
Therefore we have only 14 years before Jesus will return for His Millennial reign.

If required, I will post more details.

keras said:

Is that your 'round table', Jipsah?
Cynical, scoffing posts like that just confirm your paucity of knowledge and understanding.

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Yes, Jipsah, keras right. I've noticed the same thing in your m.o. You need to improve the quality of your posts.

Jip is a spoiler .... nothing else

This behavior is displayed consistently

Indeed Christ could return at any time...but this idea "Something Catastrophic Is Coming..." is more nonsense!

We are told that as believers in Romans 8:31-39:
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
33 Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;
34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 Just as it is written, “For Your sake we are being put to death all day long; We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.
38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

It doesn't matter what's coming! Jesus said to His disciples in Luke 17:20, 21:
20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed;
21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

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ebedmelech said:

Indeed Christ could return at any time...but this idea "Something Catastrophic Is Coming..." is more nonsense!

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Don't you read the difficult bits of the Bible, Ebed?
Matthew 24:21-22 tells of a coming time of great distress, soon after the Daniel 9:27 prophecy of a desecration to the Temple. If that time of troubles isn't cut short, no living thing could survive.
Try as you might, none of this prophecy fits the 70AD conquest. But now, there are many prophesies telling us about how the Holy Land will be cleared and cleansed, Deuteronomy 32:43, Ezekiel 30:1-5, the Lord's holy people will go to live there, Isaiah 51:11, Ezekiel 34:11-31, they will build a Temple, Haggai 2:8-9, the leader of a One World Govt will come and conquer them, Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, then Jesus will Return and destroy all the ungodly. Revelation 17:14, Revelation 19:19-21

A mindset like yours, Ebed, leaves one unprepared for what we are clearly told is about to happen. Next will be the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth Seal judgement/punishment by fire that will virtually depopulate the Middle East, then years later, comes the 3.5 year Great Tribulation of great distress, followed by the Millennium reign of King Jesus.

keras said:

Is that your 'round table', Jipsah?

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Nope, that's a group facepalm.

Cynical, scoffing posts like that just confirm your paucity of knowledge and understanding.

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Or my sensitive gobbledygook detector. I think it's the latter.

The 7000 years of mans time on earth is a very well known and accepted doctrine

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Unfortunately it's unsupported by Scripture, it assumes a lot of data that we just don't have, and is based on a completely unsupported premise. Other than that, I'm sure it's spot on. <Laugh>

You don't agree? Evolutionist are you?

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No, I believe that God created the universe 3 weeks ago, and that He merely gave us the backstory and intentionally made everything look older than that just to cut down on time and expenses. But I invite you to prove that He didn't.

Adding up all the ages of the Patriarchs, the period the various kings reigned and the known exile date of Judah, etc; the time span from 29.5 AD back to when Adam was created, is exactly 4000 years.

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As of next Thursday at 03:17 UTC.

2015.5 - where we are now, minus 29.5 - when Jesus was baptised in the holy Spirit = 1,986 years have now elapsed . Therefore we have only 14 years before Jesus will return for His Millennial reign.

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Well there ya are, then! All that stuff that our Lord said about us not knowing when He'd return was just to psych us out, huh?

If required, I will post more details.

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I'm sure of it.

Straightshot said:

Jip is a spoiler .... nothing else
This behavior is displayed consistently

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Sorry mate, but when you beat the tub for a doctrine that hasn't a leg to stand on without "interpreting" Scripture out of all recognition, duct-taping unrelated Scriptures together, and willfully disregarding historical facts, and then put it up as though it was the very word of God and required for salvation, then those ideas are going to draw some well-deserved ridicule. Especially when those ideas lead you to the altogether spurious and utterly blasphemous conclusion that the Church will be discarded, along with the sacrifice on the Cross of our Lord, and replaced with Temple Judaism in The Millennium.

The Day of the Lord and the Great Tribulation are two absolutely unique (and probably overlapping) events prophesied in Scripture, and by Christ Himself, and we are rapidly approaching that period of history. The first five seals of Revelation have already been opened, and the above events belong to the 6th and 7th seals.

The evidence for this is the pervasive and increasing apostasy (falling away) which is all around us within "Christendom", the latest indicators being the Emergent Church Movement, the ordination of homosexual clergy, the focus on angels instead of Christ, and many other aspects of the serious departure from the true Bible and Bible truth. Things will only get worse until the Abomination of Desolation is set up in the temple at Jerusalem (which is currently being built). Study 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 for further insight.

At the same time, we dare not set dates, but rather should re-double our efforts to bring souls to Christ and disciple believers in sound doctrine (which is going to become rarer and rarer).

I wrote:
September 13 may just be the day...

StraightshotMember
Could happen before this day is over ....nothing to prevent

My comment was no more of a 'date setting' than was yours.
What religious movement do you follow today that teaches you to do this?

Just curious

Straightshot, would you mind telling me when you believe the rapture will occure...pre, mid or post tribulation?

Do you believe the rapture and second coming to be the same day?

The Lord will intervene to call His true ecclesia with no warning .... just before He takes vengeance upon a lost world that has refused to believe the truth about Him

All on the earth will know when He judgment begins to fall ... no doubt

What one cannot know is the dating of His move to immortalize those that belong to Him just before

The only event that needed to materialize was the return of a remnant part of Israel to the land and surrounded by the tiny nation's Muslim enemies

Israel is in place today and must be in order for the experience of the time of Jacob's trouble, the 70th week decreed some to come

So the Lord could break in before this day is over to begin His intervention of the "Day of the Lord" .... His day in which He will do many things

.... but no one can know the dating

The truth about the future
Jeremiah 33:1-3 The Word of the Lord came to Jeremiah while he was imprisoned. The Lord says: If you call to Me, I will answer and tell you of great and mysterious things that you are unaware of.
Jeremiah prophesied to the House of Judah, some years after the House of Israel was taken into exile by the Assyrians. He foretold how things would be after the Babylonian conquest of Judah, but this was not completely fulfilled then or after the Roman conquest of Judah in 70AD.

Jeremiah 33:4-5 & 10 The houses of this city and the great buildings of Judah which are now destroyed by the sword, will be filled with dead bodies. They are those slain by the Lord Himself, because He has turned away from them. The Lord says: See this Land, now in ruins and devoid of people and animals. Jer. 9:10-11

Ezekiel 21:14...swing the great sword of slaughter three times, whirling about Judah. As Ezekiel says: there will be a triple fulfilment of the punishment of Judah. Two have happened, Babylon and Rome, the next is ‘by the Lord Himself’, by the means of a coronal mass ejection, a sunstrike. This event is prophesied and graphically described over 100 times in the Bible, as ‘the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath’. The entire Middle East will become ‘ruined and devoid of people and animals’. This was not the case with the two previous punishments. Ezekiel 6:14, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Zephaniah 1:18

Jeremiah 33:6-9 In this Land, will be heard once more the sounds of joy and gladness, of weddings and celebrations. People will shout: Praise the Lord, for He is good, His love endures forever’, as they offer thanksgiving in the House of the Lord. By the Word of the Lord: In this place and in all its towns, now ruined and cleared of all peoples and animals, flocks and herds will once more graze. My people will receive all the blessings that I have promised to them. Ezekiel 36:8-12, Isaiah 35:1-10, Zechariah 3:10
Great are the promises the Lord has made to His righteous people. They will indeed ‘shout praises to the Lord’, when they are settled into their inheritance. ‘The House of the Lord’ - the third Temple will be built in Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 33:15-16 In those Days, I will raise up a righteous leader, one descended from David. He will maintain the Law and justice in all the Land, all the people will be kept safe and will live undisturbed in the place of righteousness. Ezekiel 38:8
Jesus is from the line of David, however His Return to rule comes later, because the prophesies in Jeremiah 30:21 and Hosea 1:11, say the people will elect their own leader.
Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses condensed.

A Christian inquisition is where the beginnings of Armageddon seem to be. With the current attacks on Christianity and how many apostate or lukewarm churches are gaining speed, it isn't unreasonable at all to believe that we are well on our way to such.

I've brought this up numerous times, but Newton deduced that the world was going to end around 2060. That number seems very ideal given the circumstances, because this whole thing is slow moving. But it is also steady, we've seen the escalation of anti-Christianity continually grow.
I think that after enough time has gone by, after Christians have exhausted every avenue and every recourse has failed, that will be when the world moves in on Christianity altogether- and that is when God is going to give the signal.

*trip post*

*trip post*

Job8 said:

The Day of the Lord and the Great Tribulation are two absolutely unique (and probably overlapping) events prophesied in Scripture, and by Christ Himself, and we are rapidly approaching that period of history. The first five seals of Revelation have already been opened, and the above events belong to the 6th and 7th seals.

The evidence for this is the pervasive and increasing apostasy (falling away) which is all around us within "Christendom", the latest indicators being the Emergent Church Movement, the ordination of homosexual clergy, the focus on angels instead of Christ, and many other aspects of the serious departure from the true Bible and Bible truth. Things will only get worse until the Abomination of Desolation is set up in the temple at Jerusalem (which is currently being built). Study 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 for further insight.

At the same time, we dare not set dates, but rather should re-double our efforts to bring souls to Christ and disciple believers in sound doctrine (which is going to become rarer and rarer).

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Who said the Temple in Jerusalem is being built?

zippy2 said:

Who said the Temple in Jerusalem is being built?

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It was Job8.
The Jews are making preparations for a new temple, but no construction started: if they did, the Muslims would start a war.
Only when all of the Lord's righteous people are living in all of the Holy Land, will they build the Temple. Zechariah 6:15

The great and terrible Day of the Lord as described in Revelation 6:12-17 and in over 100 other prophesies, is just a single Day. Isaiah 47:9
It will set the scene for all that must happen before the Return of Jesus.

As America wanes, Israel waxes. As the fig tree Israel grows toward 70 years old, we know this generation will witness the end. The time of the gentiles must end in this 1948-? generation. We cannot see a time or day, but we can see the month and year. Another harbinger of warning is due America in September, more accurate and serious than the last. The writing is on the wall. God's hand is slowly pulling away. He turns His face from the prideful. Our police have lost their peace, our courts are corrupt. All nations will be against Israel in the last day, including America.