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OT and NT believers have always been free to choose what they want to do, but are we really free to do ANYTHING we want?

LIFE OR DEATH CHOICES

"If it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." - Joshua 24:15

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Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ " - Matthew 7:21-23

What's lawlessness?

Why does Jesus say ONLY those that do the will of the Father will enter Heaven?

What's the will of the Father?

Where's the will of the Father recorded?

In scripture? On our hearts and minds?

Does what's written in scripture differ from what God wrote on our hearts and minds?

What happens to those who don't do what's written in scripture?

There's always been and gonna be God's laws which HE's now written on our hearts. Defying God's laws is still called lawlessness.


PAUL PREACHES AGAINST LAWLESSNESS

"He who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." - Galatians 6:8

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9

"Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." - Galatians 5:19-21



GOD HELPS US LIVE RIGHT
If Paul says God helps us overcome temptation and live in a way that pleases Him, it means God wants us to live in a certain way. What way is that?

"Find out what pleases the Lord and is acceptable to Him." - Ephesians 5:10

"God works in you to cause you to both to will and to do what pleases Him." - Philippians 2:13

"Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. 13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it." - 1 Corinthians 10:12-13



KEEPING THE LAW TO LIVE RIGHT NOT TO BE SAVED

God, Jesus, Paul, the Apostles, and the OT prophets have always promoted God's laws as God's instructions on how to live a Godly lifestyle toward God and man.

No one in the Bible has ever promoted God's laws as a way to be saved, other than certain men in Acts of the Apostles 15:1.

The OT and NT believers were all saved by faith before they started living the lifestyle of God's laws. Exodus 19:5, Exodus 19:8, John 14:15, John 14:23

None of us are to be lawless. The law is supposed to now be written on our hearts and minds. Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 2:15, Jeremiah 31:31

Jesus and Paul constantly quote the OT laws as a lifestyle that pleases God. That part has never changed. http://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/NTChart.htm

Jesus and Paul both tell us lawless people won't enter the kingdom of heaven. Galatians 6:8, 1 Corinthians 6:9, Galatians 5:19-21

There's no RED words saying we can do anything we want.

It's best to use the RED words to interpret Paul's words.

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Are you saying the NC is the same as the one made with Abram/Abraham or are you saying that the NC is the same one made at Mt Sinai?

If this seems completely foreign to you, I suggest you spend some time in the many verses I listed.

I have to go now, more later.
 
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If this seems completely foreign to you, I suggest you spend some time in the many verses I listed.

I have to go now, more later.
I have already read your posts and know these scriptures and others. The reason I asked the question is because you quote from Genesis 17 rather than Genesis 15 where the covenant was first made and ratified in verses 16-17.
That seems to me, to be when Paul is speaking of in Galatians 3 and in Romans 4.

But if you cannot answer the question as a one liner, please just ignore it, I don't want to take a lot of your time.

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I have already read your posts and know these scriptures and others. The reason I asked the question is because you quote from Genesis 17 rather than Genesis 15 where the covenant was first made and ratified in verses 16-17.
That seems to me, to be when Paul is speaking of in Galatians 3 and in Romans 4.

But if you cannot answer the question as a one liner, please just ignore it, I don't want to take a lot of your time.

God Bless

Sorry if I seemed short, please forgive me.

I believe the bible teaches that the one covenant is the Abrahamic covenant which is that described in Gen. 17. and Paul in Galatians 3 and Romans 4 and elswhere.

The word to Moses, IMHO was just a manifestation of God's grace in giving them rules to live by.

God made his promises to Abram to bless him and his seed actually before the word covenant was used by God in reference to Abram, there was a covenant before, Noah's rainbow, but when God first called Abram from the land of Ur, He promised to bless him. Gen. 12:2,3
 
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And in the new covenant, did we make a covenant with God or did God make a covenant with us? 2 Cor 5:19 above, God was in Christ, IOW, God walked through the broken body of Christ, without our permission, because if it were up to us, we would have broken the covenant over and over again just like in the old covenant, even when synthesized to the two: love God, and love your neighbour. We couldn't do it.
:wave: Through Christ we can do whatever God asks us to do. Philippians 4:13

We now have God's ability living in us. The same ability living in Jesus. That's the grace ability of God that's part of the new covenant. Romans 8:11

God never made a covenant with us, and we can't make one with God.

God is the maker of all eternal covenants, and the one we're in is the one God promised to make with Israel and Judah. Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:31

We're grafted into their covenant through Christ. Romans 11:17-18, Ephesians 2:12-13
 
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So it's completely new, but if it looks like, sounds like, talks like, smell like the old covenant, that's not the new covenant. Unfortunately, many believers' understanding of the new covenant is more or less the old covenant with Jesus added in.
:wave: Who says it's completely new?

The only scripture about being completely new is the new creation man (2 Corinthians 5:17), not the new covenant.

Check it out in scripture. Each covenant made (renewed) with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the Sons of Jacob via Moses, and the Sons of Jacob via Jesus, was called eternal, everlasting, or forever. This helps us see new means re-New-ed.

ETERNAL COVENANTS
Abraham and descendants: Genesis 17:7
Isaac and descendants: Genesis 17:19-21
Jacob and descendants: Genesis 28:13-15, 1 Chronicles 16:15-17, Psalms 105:10
Israel and Judah via Moses: Leviticus 2:13, Leviticus 24:8, Psalms 105:10, Psalms 111:9, 1 Chronicles 17:22, 1 Chronicles 16:15-17
Israel and Judah via Jesus: Jeremiah 32:40, Hebrews 13:20

The new covenant is part of an eternal covenant God started directly with Abraham, renewed directly with Isaac and Jacob, and renewed again with the sons of Israel (Jacob) via Moses.

In Jeremiah 31 God said HE'D renew this eternal covenant with Israel and Judah (sons of Jacob) for the FINAL time via Jesus.

This is why the "new" covenant is the FINAL version of the successive eternal covenant. Each renewal has new and better provisions than the last one.

The FINAL version through Jesus is the best in every way. The curse and sin has been dealt with. The promises and blessings are still in full force. The Holy Spirit lives permanently inside us.

The final renewal through Jesus has EVERY GOOD THING that was EVER promised.

"For however many promises God has made, they all find their “Yes” in connection with him; that is why it is through him that we say the “Amen” when we give glory to God." - 2 Corinthians 1:20 CJB

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:wave: Through Christ we can do whatever God asks us to do. Philippians 4:13

We now have God's ability living in us. The same ability living in Jesus. That's the grace ability of God that's part of the new covenant. Romans 8:11

God never made a covenant with us, and we can't make one with God.

God is the maker of all eternal covenants, and the one we're in is the one God promised to make with Israel and Judah. Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:31

We're grafted into their covenant through Christ. Romans 11:17-18, Ephesians 2:12-13

No really. The New Covenant is new because Jesus died for the sins of the world, not just certain peoples. If we were grafted in to the Old Covenant, He would not have had to die for those who are Jewish, hence not ALL sin. The New Covenant is new. Wonderfully new!
 
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No really. The New Covenant is new because Jesus died for the sins of the world, not just certain peoples. If we were grafted in to the Old Covenant, He would not have had to die for those who are Jewish, hence not ALL sin. The New Covenant is new. Wonderfully new!
:oldthumbsup:Absolutely true.

But He did this as the Jewish Messiah operating through the covenant God made with Israel and Judah. Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16, Jeremiah 31:31

We're grafted into it through Jesus. Romans 11:24, Ephesians 2:12-13

Jesus keeps saying He came ONLY for the lost sheep of ISRAEL to turn them around to God. Jeremiah 50:6, Matthew 10:6, Matthew 15:24, Luke 15:4

I know we Christians think that means us, but we're NEVER Israel UNTIL we join Israel through Jesus. This is how we become a part of the family of God. The family HE started through Abraham. Romans 11:24

But the Jews were HIS people since God made a covenant with Abraham. And they've remained HIS people all this time. That's why Jesus calls them the lost sheep of Israel who HE came to for. And Paul calls us "those who were far off who are now brought near".

Israel is who we're grafted into. Ephesians 2:12-13

That's how we became God's people too.


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:oldthumbsup:Absolutely true.

But He did this as the Jewish Messiah operating through the covenant God made with Israel and Judah. Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16, Jeremiah 31:31

We're grafted into it through Jesus. Romans 11:24, Ephesians 2:12-13

Jesus keeps saying He came ONLY for the lost sheep of ISRAEL to turn them around to God. Jeremiah 50:6, Matthew 10:6, Matthew 15:24, Luke 15:4

I know we Christians think that means us, but we're NEVER Israel UNTIL we join Israel through Jesus. This is how we become a part of the family of God. The family HE started through Abraham. Romans 11:24

But the Jews were HIS people since God made a covenant with Abraham. And they've remained HIS people all this time. That's why Jesus calls them the lost sheep of Israel who HE came to for. And Paul calls us "those who were far off who are now brought near".

Israel is who we're grafted into. Ephesians 2:12-13

That's how we became God's people too.


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Of course He came to fulfill the promises that were made to Israel. We all know that, but that does not mean that he only intended to be the Savior to Israel. He died for the sins of the WORLD. The WORLD is more than Israel.
 
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Of course He came to fulfill the promises that were made to Israel. We all know that, but that does not mean that he only intended to be the Savior to Israel. He died for the sins of the WORLD. The WORLD is more than Israel.
:oldthumbsup: Absolutely true.

Since Abraham, God has said the peoples of the earth would be blessed through Abraham and his descendants. Genesis 12:3, Genesis 22:18, Genesis 3:8

Since the Exodus from Egypt and the Mosaic covenant, God said the Israelites were to take in and accept as family any who chose to join themselves to the Lord God and follow God's ways. Exodus 12:19, Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 19:34, Isaiah 14:1

When you study the OC and the NC, you see how they say the same things. Check out this chart with 300 scriptures: http://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/NTChart.htm

Since the day Constantine hijacked the bible and the Nazarim religion 1700 years ago and turned it into present day Christianity, we Christians have been told the law is done away with, we have replaced the Jews, the New Covenant is ours, etc, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

Because of this we have NO training in God's laws, and no desire to study them because we think they're impossible to keep.

We've been misinterpreting Paul's words VERY badly and have missed out on some really good stuff. 2 Peter 3:16

Grace has ALWAYS been a part of this ETERNAL covenant that's been re-new-ed several times and FINALLY for the last time through Christ. Psalms 32:2, Psalms 51:10, Psalms 109:26, 1 Chronicles 16:34, Ezra 9:9, Nehemiah 9:31-32, Nehemiah 13:22, Psalms 5:7, Psalms 23:6, Psalms 33:18, Psalms 33:22, Psalms 36:5, Psalms 52:8, Psalms 59:17, Psalms 86:15, Psalms 98:3, Psalms 100:5, Psalms 105:8, Psalms 136, Proverbs 28:13, Isaiah 14:1, Isaiah 54:8-10, Isaiah 55:7, Jeremiah 31:20, Ezekiel 39:25, Daniel 9:9, Hosea 1:7-8, Micah 7:18-20, Zechariah 1:16, Zechariah 10:6

There's too many scriptures on God's grace in the OT to list them all, but note the book of Psalms is the Songbook for the Israelites. It's filled with words about God's mercy, faithfulness, loving kindness, etc. They sang them like worship songs are sung today. In fact they STILL sing the Psalms today as worship songs, so grace is very much a part of the OT believer's lifestyle in God.

Please note how GRACE and TRUTH have also been a huge part of the OC. John 1:14, John 1:17, Colossians 1:6, 2 John 1:3, Genesis 24:27, 2 Samuel 15:20, Proverbs 3:3, Proverbs 16:6, Micah 7:20

Outsiders have always been allowed to join God's people. Exodus 12:19, Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 19:34, Isaiah 14:1, Romans 11:24

The FINAL aka New covenant is wondrous, and we're a part of it through Christ. Romans 12:5

We're in even though we have a terrible understanding of what it's all about.

IOW, God has always looked at our hearts, and THANK GOD HE doesn't judge us by our terribly ignorant theology. 1 Samuel 16:7

Christians are grafted into Israel through Christ. Romans 11:24

Hopefully we'll learn WHY.

Because right now we have the WHY wrong.

Jews have unusual amount of blessing in their lives because they love to keep God's laws, which come with rewards. Deuteronomy 28:1-2, 2 Samuel 22:21, Psalms 18:20, Psalms 19:11, Proverbs 13:13, Matthew 6:4, Matthew 6:6, Matthew 6:18, Matthew 10:42, Luke 6:35, 1 Corinthians 3:8, 1 Corinthians 9:17, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 2:2, Hebrews 11:6, Revelation 22:12, Mark 10:29-30

But, they're still waiting for Messiah to set up His earthly kingdom to enjoy what's included in this FINAL version of God's eternal covenant. Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16

Christians are enjoying some of the benefits of the Messianic aka New covenant NOW. I say some because when Jesus returns He'll fulfill all of the remaining promises of the New covenant, like His kingdom being set up on earth, death being finally defeated, etc. Psalms 146:10, Revelation 11:15, 1 Corinthians 15:26

But because we teach each other to ignore God's laws, we don't have the rewards that come with obedience. Galatians 6:7-8

I've started purposely obeying God's laws, especially HIS Sabbath laws and HIS dietary laws, and I'm seeing rewards NOW for this obedience. Galatians 6:7, Deuteronomy 28:1-2

I KNOW they ARE possible to keep, especially with God's help. When I'm failing at a particular law of God, I ask God to help me and HE DOES. PRAISE GOD. 1 Corinthians 10:13, Philippians 2:13, Philippians 4:13, Hebrews 4:15-16

Jesus, Peter, Paul tell us to stop sinning. Sinning is breaking God's laws. God's laws are in effect today, written in scripture and on our hearts and minds. Matthew 5:17-19, John 5:14, John 8:11, 1 Corinthians 6:18, 1 Corinthians 10:14, 1 Timothy 6:10-11, 2 Timothy 2:22, 1 Peter 4:1, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16, Jeremiah 31:31


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:oldthumbsup: Absolutely true.

Since Abraham, God has said the peoples of the earth would be blessed through Abraham and his descendants.

Since the Exodus from Egypt and the Mosaic covenant, God said the Israelites were to take in and accept as family any who chose to join themselves to the Lord God and follow God's ways.

When you study the OC and the NC, you see how they say the same things.

We Christians have 1700 years (since Constantine hijacked the bible and the Nazarim religion and turned it into present day Christianity) of being told the law is done away with, we have replaced the Jews, the New Covenant is ours, etc, etc.

Because of this we have NO training in God's laws, and no desire to study them because we think they're undo-able.

We've been misinterpreting Paul's words VERY badly and have missed out on some really good stuff.

Grace has ALWAYS been a part of this ETERNAL covenant that's been re-new-ed several times and FINALLY for the last time through Christ.

Outsiders have always been allowed to join God's people.

The FINAL aka New covenant is wondrous, and we're a part of it through Christ.

We're in even though we have a terrible understanding of what it's all about.

IOW, God has always looked at our hearts, and THANK GOD HE doesn't judge us by our terribly ignorant theology.

Christians are grafted into Israel through Christ.

Hopefully we'll learn WHY.

Because right now we have the WHY wrong.

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Lot's of personal opinons there to back up your opinions. Gotta love that irony.
 
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:oldthumbsup: Absolutely true.

Since Abraham, God has said the peoples of the earth would be blessed through Abraham and his descendants. Genesis 12:3, Genesis 22:18, Genesis 3:8

Since the Exodus from Egypt and the Mosaic covenant, God said the Israelites were to take in and accept as family any who chose to join themselves to the Lord God and follow God's ways. Exodus 12:19, Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 19:34, Isaiah 14:1

When you study the OC and the NC, you see how they say the same things. Check out this chart with 300 scriptures: http://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/NTChart.htm

Since the day Constantine hijacked the bible and the Nazarim religion 1700 years ago and turned it into present day Christianity, we Christians have been told the law is done away with, we have replaced the Jews, the New Covenant is ours, etc, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

Because of this we have NO training in God's laws, and no desire to study them because we think they're impossible to keep.

We've been misinterpreting Paul's words VERY badly and have missed out on some really good stuff. 2 Peter 3:16

Grace has ALWAYS been a part of this ETERNAL covenant that's been re-new-ed several times and FINALLY for the last time through Christ. Psalms 32:2, Psalms 51:10, Psalms 109:26, 1 Chronicles 16:34, Ezra 9:9, Nehemiah 9:31-32, Nehemiah 13:22, Psalms 5:7, Psalms 23:6, Psalms 33:18, Psalms 33:22, Psalms 36:5, Psalms 52:8, Psalms 59:17, Psalms 86:15, Psalms 98:3, Psalms 100:5, Psalms 105:8, Psalms 136, Proverbs 28:13, Isaiah 14:1, Isaiah 54:8-10, Isaiah 55:7, Jeremiah 31:20, Ezekiel 39:25, Daniel 9:9, Hosea 1:7-8, Micah 7:18-20, Zechariah 1:16, Zechariah 10:6

There's too many scriptures on God's grace in the OT to list them all, but note the book of Psalms is the Songbook for the Israelites. It's filled with words about God's mercy, faithfulness, loving kindness, etc. They sang them like worship songs are sung today. In fact they STILL sing the Psalms today as worship songs, so grace is very much a part of the OT believer's lifestyle in God.

Please note how GRACE and TRUTH have also been a huge part of the OC. John 1:14, John 1:17, Colossians 1:6, 2 John 1:3, Genesis 24:27, 2 Samuel 15:20, Proverbs 3:3, Proverbs 16:6, Micah 7:20

Outsiders have always been allowed to join God's people. Exodus 12:19, Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 19:34, Isaiah 14:1, Romans 11:24

The FINAL aka New covenant is wondrous, and we're a part of it through Christ. Romans 12:5

We're in even though we have a terrible understanding of what it's all about.

IOW, God has always looked at our hearts, and THANK GOD HE doesn't judge us by our terribly ignorant theology. 1 Samuel 16:7

Christians are grafted into Israel through Christ. Romans 11:24

Hopefully we'll learn WHY.

Because right now we have the WHY wrong.

Jews have unusual amount of blessing in their lives because they love to keep God's laws, which come with rewards. Deuteronomy 28:1-2, 2 Samuel 22:21, Psalms 18:20, Psalms 19:11, Proverbs 13:13, Matthew 6:4, Matthew 6:6, Matthew 6:18, Matthew 10:42, Luke 6:35, 1 Corinthians 3:8, 1 Corinthians 9:17, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 2:2, Hebrews 11:6, Revelation 22:12, Mark 10:29-30

But, they're still waiting for Messiah to set up His earthly kingdom to enjoy what's included in this FINAL version of God's eternal covenant. Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16

Christians are enjoying some of the benefits of the Messianic aka New covenant NOW. I say some because when Jesus returns He'll fulfill all of the remaining promises of the New covenant, like His kingdom being set up on earth, death being finally defeated, etc. Psalms 146:10, Revelation 11:15, 1 Corinthians 15:26

But because we teach each other to ignore God's laws, we don't have the rewards that come with obedience. Galatians 6:7-8

I've started purposely obeying God's laws, especially HIS Sabbath laws and HIS dietary laws, and I'm seeing rewards NOW for this obedience. Galatians 6:7, Deuteronomy 28:1-2

I KNOW they ARE possible to keep, especially with God's help. When I'm failing at a particular law of God, I ask God to help me and HE DOES. PRAISE GOD. 1 Corinthians 10:13, Philippians 2:13, Philippians 4:13, Hebrews 4:15-16

Jesus, Peter, Paul tell us to stop sinning. Sinning is breaking God's laws. God's laws are in effect today, written in scripture and on our hearts and minds. Matthew 5:17-19, John 5:14, John 8:11, 1 Corinthians 6:18, 1 Corinthians 10:14, 1 Timothy 6:10-11, 2 Timothy 2:22, 1 Peter 4:1, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16, Jeremiah 31:31


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:oldthumbsup: Absolutely true.

Since Abraham, God has said the peoples of the earth would be blessed through Abraham and his descendants. Genesis 12:3, Genesis 22:18, Genesis 3:8

Since the Exodus from Egypt and the Mosaic covenant, God said the Israelites were to take in and accept as family any who chose to join themselves to the Lord God and follow God's ways. Exodus 12:19, Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 19:34, Isaiah 14:1

When you study the OC and the NC, you see how they say the same things. Check out this chart with 300 scriptures: http://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/NTChart.htm

We Christians have 1700 years (since Constantine hijacked the bible and the Nazarim religion and turned it into present day Christianity) of being told the law is done away with, we have replaced the Jews, the New Covenant is ours, etc, etc. https://en.wiPsalms 105:8, kipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

Because of this we have NO training in God's laws, and no desire to study them because we think they're undo-able.

We've been misinterpreting Paul's words VERY badly and have missed out on some really good stuff. 2 Peter 3:16

Grace has ALWAYS been a part of this ETERNAL covenant that's been re-new-ed several times and FINALLY for the last time through Christ. Psalms 32:2, Psalms 51:10, Psalms 109:26, 1 Chronicles 16:34, Ezra 9:9, Nehemiah 9:31-32, Nehemiah 13:22, Psalms 5:7, Psalms 23:6, Psalms 33:18, Psalms 33:22, Psalms 36:5, Psalms 52:8, Psalms 59:17, Psalms 86:15, Psalms 98:3, Psalms 100:5, Psalms 136, Proverbs 28:13, Isaiah 14:1, Isaiah 54:8-10, Isaiah 55:7, Jeremiah 31:20, Ezekiel 39:25, Daniel 9:9, Hosea 1:7-8, Micah 7:18-20, Zechariah 1:16, Zechariah 10:6

There's too many scriptures on God grace in the OT to list them all, but note the book of Psalms is the Songbook for the Israelites. It's filled with words about God's mercy, faithfulness, loving kindness, etc. They sang them like worship songs are song today. In fact they STILL sing the Psalms today as worship songs, so grace is very much a part of the OT believer's lifestyle in God.

Please note how GRACE and TRUTH have also been a huge part of the OC. John 1:14, John 1:17, Colossians 1:6, 2 John 1:3, Genesis 24:27, 2 Samuel 15:20, Proverbs 3:3, Proverbs 16:6, Micah 7:20

Outsiders have always been allowed to join God's people. Exodus 12:19, Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 19:34, Isaiah 14:1, Romans 11:24

The FINAL aka New covenant is wondrous, and we're a part of it through Christ. Romans 12:5

We're in even though we have a terrible understanding of what it's all about.

IOW, God has always looked at our hearts, and THANK GOD HE doesn't judge us by our terribly ignorant theology. 1 Samuel 16:7

Christians are grafted into Israel through Christ. Romans 11:24

Hopefully we'll learn WHY.

Because right now we have the WHY wrong.

Jews have unusual amount of blessing in their lives because they love to keep God's laws, which come with rewards. Deuteronomy 28:1-2, 2 Samuel 22:21, Psalms 18:20, Psalms 19:11, Proverbs 13:13, Matthew 6:4, Matthew 6:6, Matthew 6:18, Matthew 10:42, Luke 6:35, 1 Corinthians 3:8, 1 Corinthians 9:17, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 2:2, Hebrews 11:6, Revelation 22:12, Mark 10:29-30

But, they're still waiting for Messiah to set up His earthly kingdom to enjoy what's included in this FINAL version of God's eternal covenant. Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16

Christians are enjoying some of the benefits of the Messianic aka New covenant NOW. I say some because when Jesus returns He'll fulfill all of the remaining promises of the New covenant, like His kingdom being set up on earth, death being finally defeated, etc. Psalms 146:10, Revelation 11:15, 1 Corinthians 15:26

But because we teach each other to ignore God's laws, we don't have the rewards that come with obedience. Galatians 6:7-8

I've started purposely obeying God's laws, especially HIS Sabbath laws, and I'm seeing rewards NOW for this obedience. Galatians 6:7, Deuteronomy 28:1-2

I KNOW they ARE possible to keep, especially with God's help. When I'm failing at a particular law of God, I ask God to help me and HE DOES. PRAISE GOD. 1 Corinthians 10:13, Philippians 2:13, Philippians 4:13, Hebrews 4:15-16

Jesus, Peter, Paul tell us to stop sinning. Sinning is breaking God's laws. God's laws are in effect today, written in scripture and on our hearts and minds. Matthew 5:17-19, John 5:14, John 8:11, 1 Corinthians 6:18, 1 Corinthians 10:14, 1 Timothy 6:10-11, 2 Timothy 2:22, 1 Peter 4:1, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16, Jeremiah 31:31


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Thank you so much for all this excellent information. :clap:
 
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Thank you so much for all this excellent information. :clap:
:oldthumbsup: AMEN.
Isn't God good.:clap:

He loves us all because He created us all.

He chose Abraham and his descendants to become a nation and a family to carry GOD'S awesome name and words of truth to all the nations.

We're allowed into the family and the eternal family covenant because we love God and His son Jesus, just as Rahab and Ruth were allowed in because they loved God.

Our bad theology doesn't exclude us from the covenant.

It just gets better and better.

Jews and Christians have made theological mistakes, ignorantly disobeyed God, willfully rebelled against God, made serious mistakes, mistreated God and each other, etc, yet God keeps having mercy on us all.

When any Jew or Christian turns away from God, He'll take us back when we turn back to HIM, just like the prodigal son, the lost coin, the lost sheep.

This is why Jews and Christians can honestly say GOD is GOOD, HIS MERCY ENDURES FOREVER!!!

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:oldthumbsup: Absolutely true.

Since Abraham, God has said the peoples of the earth would be blessed through Abraham and his descendants. Genesis 12:3, Genesis 22:18, Genesis 3:8

Since the Exodus from Egypt and the Mosaic covenant, God said the Israelites were to take in and accept as family any who chose to join themselves to the Lord God and follow God's ways. Exodus 12:19, Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 19:34, Isaiah 14:1

When you study the OC and the NC, you see how they say the same things. Check out this chart with 300 scriptures: http://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/NTChart.htm

We Christians have 1700 years (since Constantine hijacked the bible and the Nazarim religion and turned it into present day Christianity) of being told the law is done away with, we have replaced the Jews, the New Covenant is ours, etc, etc. https://en.wiPsalms 105:8, kipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

Because of this we have NO training in God's laws, and no desire to study them because we think they're undo-able.

We've been misinterpreting Paul's words VERY badly and have missed out on some really good stuff. 2 Peter 3:16

Grace has ALWAYS been a part of this ETERNAL covenant that's been re-new-ed several times and FINALLY for the last time through Christ. Psalms 32:2, Psalms 51:10, Psalms 109:26, 1 Chronicles 16:34, Ezra 9:9, Nehemiah 9:31-32, Nehemiah 13:22, Psalms 5:7, Psalms 23:6, Psalms 33:18, Psalms 33:22, Psalms 36:5, Psalms 52:8, Psalms 59:17, Psalms 86:15, Psalms 98:3, Psalms 100:5, Psalms 136, Proverbs 28:13, Isaiah 14:1, Isaiah 54:8-10, Isaiah 55:7, Jeremiah 31:20, Ezekiel 39:25, Daniel 9:9, Hosea 1:7-8, Micah 7:18-20, Zechariah 1:16, Zechariah 10:6

There's too many scriptures on God grace in the OT to list them all, but note the book of Psalms is the Songbook for the Israelites. It's filled with words about God's mercy, faithfulness, loving kindness, etc. They sang them like worship songs are song today. In fact they STILL sing the Psalms today as worship songs, so grace is very much a part of the OT believer's lifestyle in God.

Please note how GRACE and TRUTH have also been a huge part of the OC. John 1:14, John 1:17, Colossians 1:6, 2 John 1:3, Genesis 24:27, 2 Samuel 15:20, Proverbs 3:3, Proverbs 16:6, Micah 7:20

Outsiders have always been allowed to join God's people. Exodus 12:19, Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 19:34, Isaiah 14:1, Romans 11:24

The FINAL aka New covenant is wondrous, and we're a part of it through Christ. Romans 12:5

We're in even though we have a terrible understanding of what it's all about.

IOW, God has always looked at our hearts, and THANK GOD HE doesn't judge us by our terribly ignorant theology. 1 Samuel 16:7

Christians are grafted into Israel through Christ. Romans 11:24

Hopefully we'll learn WHY.

Because right now we have the WHY wrong.

Jews have unusual amount of blessing in their lives because they love to keep God's laws, which come with rewards. Deuteronomy 28:1-2, 2 Samuel 22:21, Psalms 18:20, Psalms 19:11, Proverbs 13:13, Matthew 6:4, Matthew 6:6, Matthew 6:18, Matthew 10:42, Luke 6:35, 1 Corinthians 3:8, 1 Corinthians 9:17, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 2:2, Hebrews 11:6, Revelation 22:12, Mark 10:29-30

But, they're still waiting for Messiah to set up His earthly kingdom to enjoy what's included in this FINAL version of God's eternal covenant. Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16

Christians are enjoying some of the benefits of the Messianic aka New covenant NOW. I say some because when Jesus returns He'll fulfill all of the remaining promises of the New covenant, like His kingdom being set up on earth, death being finally defeated, etc. Psalms 146:10, Revelation 11:15, 1 Corinthians 15:26

But because we teach each other to ignore God's laws, we don't have the rewards that come with obedience. Galatians 6:7-8

I've started purposely obeying God's laws, especially HIS Sabbath laws, and I'm seeing rewards NOW for this obedience. Galatians 6:7, Deuteronomy 28:1-2

I KNOW they ARE possible to keep, especially with God's help. When I'm failing at a particular law of God, I ask God to help me and HE DOES. PRAISE GOD. 1 Corinthians 10:13, Philippians 2:13, Philippians 4:13, Hebrews 4:15-16

Jesus, Peter, Paul tell us to stop sinning. Sinning is breaking God's laws. God's laws are in effect today, written in scripture and on our hearts and minds. Matthew 5:17-19, John 5:14, John 8:11, 1 Corinthians 6:18, 1 Corinthians 10:14, 1 Timothy 6:10-11, 2 Timothy 2:22, 1 Peter 4:1, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16, Jeremiah 31:31


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:oldthumbsup: Absolutely true.

Since Abraham, God has said the peoples of the earth would be blessed through Abraham and his descendants. Genesis 12:3, Genesis 22:18, Genesis 3:8

Since the Exodus from Egypt and the Mosaic covenant, God said the Israelites were to take in and accept as family any who chose to join themselves to the Lord God and follow God's ways. Exodus 12:19, Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 19:34, Isaiah 14:1

When you study the OC and the NC, you see how they say the same things. Check out this chart with 300 scriptures: http://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/NTChart.htm

We Christians have 1700 years (since Constantine hijacked the bible and the Nazarim religion and turned it into present day Christianity) of being told the law is done away with, we have replaced the Jews, the New Covenant is ours, etc, etc. https://en.wiPsalms 105:8, kipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

Because of this we have NO training in God's laws, and no desire to study them because we think they're undo-able.

We've been misinterpreting Paul's words VERY badly and have missed out on some really good stuff. 2 Peter 3:16

Grace has ALWAYS been a part of this ETERNAL covenant that's been re-new-ed several times and FINALLY for the last time through Christ. Psalms 32:2, Psalms 51:10, Psalms 109:26, 1 Chronicles 16:34, Ezra 9:9, Nehemiah 9:31-32, Nehemiah 13:22, Psalms 5:7, Psalms 23:6, Psalms 33:18, Psalms 33:22, Psalms 36:5, Psalms 52:8, Psalms 59:17, Psalms 86:15, Psalms 98:3, Psalms 100:5, Psalms 136, Proverbs 28:13, Isaiah 14:1, Isaiah 54:8-10, Isaiah 55:7, Jeremiah 31:20, Ezekiel 39:25, Daniel 9:9, Hosea 1:7-8, Micah 7:18-20, Zechariah 1:16, Zechariah 10:6

There's too many scriptures on God grace in the OT to list them all, but note the book of Psalms is the Songbook for the Israelites. It's filled with words about God's mercy, faithfulness, loving kindness, etc. They sang them like worship songs are song today. In fact they STILL sing the Psalms today as worship songs, so grace is very much a part of the OT believer's lifestyle in God.

Please note how GRACE and TRUTH have also been a huge part of the OC. John 1:14, John 1:17, Colossians 1:6, 2 John 1:3, Genesis 24:27, 2 Samuel 15:20, Proverbs 3:3, Proverbs 16:6, Micah 7:20

Outsiders have always been allowed to join God's people. Exodus 12:19, Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 19:34, Isaiah 14:1, Romans 11:24

The FINAL aka New covenant is wondrous, and we're a part of it through Christ. Romans 12:5

We're in even though we have a terrible understanding of what it's all about.

IOW, God has always looked at our hearts, and THANK GOD HE doesn't judge us by our terribly ignorant theology. 1 Samuel 16:7

Christians are grafted into Israel through Christ. Romans 11:24

Hopefully we'll learn WHY.

Because right now we have the WHY wrong.

Jews have unusual amount of blessing in their lives because they love to keep God's laws, which come with rewards. Deuteronomy 28:1-2, 2 Samuel 22:21, Psalms 18:20, Psalms 19:11, Proverbs 13:13, Matthew 6:4, Matthew 6:6, Matthew 6:18, Matthew 10:42, Luke 6:35, 1 Corinthians 3:8, 1 Corinthians 9:17, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 2:2, Hebrews 11:6, Revelation 22:12, Mark 10:29-30

But, they're still waiting for Messiah to set up His earthly kingdom to enjoy what's included in this FINAL version of God's eternal covenant. Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16

Christians are enjoying some of the benefits of the Messianic aka New covenant NOW. I say some because when Jesus returns He'll fulfill all of the remaining promises of the New covenant, like His kingdom being set up on earth, death being finally defeated, etc. Psalms 146:10, Revelation 11:15, 1 Corinthians 15:26

But because we teach each other to ignore God's laws, we don't have the rewards that come with obedience. Galatians 6:7-8

I've started purposely obeying God's laws, especially HIS Sabbath laws, and I'm seeing rewards NOW for this obedience. Galatians 6:7, Deuteronomy 28:1-2

I KNOW they ARE possible to keep, especially with God's help. When I'm failing at a particular law of God, I ask God to help me and HE DOES. PRAISE GOD. 1 Corinthians 10:13, Philippians 2:13, Philippians 4:13, Hebrews 4:15-16

Jesus, Peter, Paul tell us to stop sinning. Sinning is breaking God's laws. God's laws are in effect today, written in scripture and on our hearts and minds. Matthew 5:17-19, John 5:14, John 8:11, 1 Corinthians 6:18, 1 Corinthians 10:14, 1 Timothy 6:10-11, 2 Timothy 2:22, 1 Peter 4:1, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16, Jeremiah 31:31


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Speaking of the rewards for following God's laws, I recently heard that in England, during the time of the plague, thousands were dying, and the authorities noticed the in the Jewish community, very few were dying.

They realized that by following God's laws about hand washing, and handling corpses might have had something to do with it.
 
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Speaking of the rewards for following God's laws, I recently heard that in England, during the time of the plague, thousands were dying, and the authorities noticed the in the Jewish community, very few were dying.

They realized that by following God's laws about hand washing, and handling corpses might have had something to do with it.
:oldthumbsup: Yes, the laws God gave are VERY practical.

Following them even if we don't fully understand them is a good idea.

Science is playing catch-up with Bible wisdom.

George Washington Carver and Einstein both said ALL their science came from God and the Bible.
 
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Speaking of the rewards for following God's laws, I recently heard that in England, during the time of the plague, thousands were dying, and the authorities noticed the in the Jewish community, very few were dying.

They realized that by following God's laws about hand washing, and handling corpses might have had something to do with it.

That's a very good thought. There are reasons why God asks us to do certain things. It is to make us better or good for us in some way that maybe we cannot see or understand at the time.
 
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My apologies to the posters I didn't respond to....I caught pneumonia and just getting back to the real world.
Sorry to hear that Andry. Praying for your complete recovery. :hug:
 
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