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Wrong, Israel is Israel, so unless Jewish people are no longer Jewish people, I have no idea where you come up with what you're saying. And by the way, feel free to totally ignore the verse quoted above, sometimes it's easier to ignore the Bible when holding onto dogma.

Maybe you didn't notice these verses in your Bible.
And maybe you missed my post above.
Because I think you need to know, I am posting this scripture again:

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Notice the part I have bolded in...the kingdom of God has been taken away from Israel, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Israel has lost the privilege of being God's chosen people. That privilege has passed to Christians.

Did you know that Israel had rejected God from being King over them long ago?

1Sa 8:4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
1Sa 8:5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
1Sa 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.
1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

They did not recognize their King when He came to them, and they plotted against Him and killed Him.

And finally:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Do you believe Him?
I do.
Do you see any back door for the Jews to get through?
No?
Well, then, they need Jesus, don't they?
Maybe we need to stop seeing them as "God's chosen people" and start seeing them as a nation that is lost, and needs to know their Savior just like everyone else.
 
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Kinda missed the whole verse above didn't you?

And I'm listening, but that doesn't make it any more right. Tell a Jew they're not Jewish.

And you've also now changed the rules of the game. I can't see anywhere where anyone said they were the "chosen/saved", that's simply another strawman. Clearly the verse above shows they need salvation.

I ask, then, hhas God rejected his people? By no means! For iI myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,1 a member of the tribe of Benjamin. jGod has not rejected his people whom he kforeknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?

The context of this verse is specifically addressing if Israel is being rejected by God. It's a mystery as it further states:

25 So that you may not claim to be wiser than you are, brothers and sisters, I want you to understand this mystery: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.26 And so all Israel will be saved


The calling of God is irrevocable, even for the Jews.
 
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Clearly the verse above shows they need salvation.



The calling of God is irrevocable, even for the Jews.

Then we are in complete agreement. I was under the impression that you were saying that the Chosen People were saved by another means than the rest of humanity. My apologies.
 
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Concerning verses posted by The Barrd

Mat 21:43Therefore say I unto you,The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


This is absolutely true, but you, like many others, generalized and pointed to whole nation of Israel rather than only to those who rejected the Christ. Those who rejected Christ where are the leaders of Israel, and He referred this statement to them, but large majority of the Jews accepted Christ and followed Him by the thousands.


And here is a question for you. If you think that this single statement rejected Jews as people of GOD and according to you Christians became His people, tell me, what Christians have done to deserve it? Are they better than Jews in their behavior before the Lord?


Do you think that because people believe in Christ they become His people? Is it not the James wrote that even demons believe and fear the Lord? So this means that believing alone is not enough, it must be something else. It something else is Faith, which many “Christians”, just like Jews who lived before them, do not have.


And corruption, hypocrisy, greed, and other evil things of Christians no different than of those committed by Jews before their GOD. So what the Christians done so far to deserve to be the people of GOD if they are the same sinners as the Jews before their GOD?


Jews still are people of GOD and will be forever, but only those who accepted the Christ as their Messiah, and true Christians also are people of GOD who following Christ as He has commanded them, in truth, compassion, mercy, and love.


Christians do not replaced the Jews as people of GOD, they are joined Jews as the people of GOD and become one people and one nation under the Lord, and all are children of GOD.

Because if GOD blesses, He blesses Jews first and then the Christians, and if He curses, He curses Jews first and then the Christians.


People of Israel will remain as His priestly nation forever, and will serve the Lord in the future in His Heavenly Temple in Jerusalem as His priests forever. Because the history of humankind will make it’s full circle and will be complete in Jerusalem, from which the knowledge and worship of GOD truly began in earnest.

For those who still think that Hebrews (Jews-people of Israel) no longer people of GOD, you have to do one thing in order to prove your point of view, and this is the thing below.


Jeremiah 33.19-21

19.And the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah saying,

20.this says the Lord, "If you can break My covenant for the day and My covenant for the night, so that day and night will not be at their appointed time,

21.then My Covenant may also be broken with David My servant, that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and with the Levitical priests My ministers.


GOD did not only choose Israel but He created it for His Own Glory.


Isaiah 43.1-7.15.21.25

1.Israel "Do not fear, I have redeem you, I have called you by name, you are Mine!

2.When you pass through the waters I will be with you, and through the rivers, they will not overflow you, when you walk through the fire you will not be scorched, nor will the flame burn you.

3.I am the Lord your GOD, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I have given Egypt as your ransom, Cush and Seba in your place.

4.Since you are precious in My sight, since you are honored, and I love you,I will give other men in your place and other peoples in exchange for you life.

5.Do not fear, I am with you, I will bring your offspring from the east, and gather you from the west.

6.I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' And to the south, 'Do not hold them back.' Bring My sons from afar and My daughters from the ends of the Earth,

7.everyone who is called by My name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom I have made.

15.I am the Lord your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King.'

21.The people whom I formed for Myself will declare My praise.

25.I, even I, am the One Who wipes out your transgressions for My Own sake, and I will not remember your sins.”

People of Israel will remain as His priestly nation forever, and will serve the Lord in the future in His Heavenly Temple in Jerusalem as His priests forever. Because the history of humankind will make it’s full circle and will be complete in Jerusalem, from which the knowledge and worship of GOD truly began in earnest.

 
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Concerning verses posted by The Barrd

Mat 21:43Therefore say I unto you,The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


This is absolutely true, but you, like many others, generalized and pointed to whole nation of Israel rather than only to those who rejected the Christ. Those who rejected Christ where are the leaders of Israel, and He referred this statement to them, but large majority of the Jews accepted Christ and followed Him by the thousands.


And here is a question for you. If you think that this single statement rejected Jews as people of GOD and according to you Christians became His people, tell me, what Christians have done to deserve it? Are they better than Jews in their behavior before the Lord?


Do you think that because people believe in Christ they become His people? Is it not the James wrote that even demons believe and fear the Lord? So this means that believing alone is not enough, it must be something else. It something else is Faith, which many “Christians”, just like Jews who lived before them, do not have.


And corruption, hypocrisy, greed, and other evil things of Christians no different than of those committed by Jews before their GOD. So what the Christians done so far to deserve to be the people of GOD if they are the same sinners as the Jews before their GOD?


Jews still are people of GOD and will be forever, but only those who accepted the Christ as their Messiah, and true Christians also are people of GOD who following Christ as He has commanded them, in truth, compassion, mercy, and love.


Christians do not replaced the Jews as people of GOD, they are joined Jews as the people of GOD and become one people and one nation under the Lord, and all are children of GOD.

Because if GOD blesses, He blesses Jews first and then the Christians, and if He curses, He curses Jews first and then the Christians.


People of Israel will remain as His priestly nation forever, and will serve the Lord in the future in His Heavenly Temple in Jerusalem as His priests forever. Because the history of humankind will make it’s full circle and will be complete in Jerusalem, from which the knowledge and worship of GOD truly began in earnest.

For those who still think that Hebrews (Jews-people of Israel) no longer people of GOD, you have to do one thing in order to prove your point of view, and this is the thing below.


Jeremiah 33.19-21

19.And the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah saying,

20.this says the Lord, "If you can break My covenant for the day and My covenant for the night, so that day and night will not be at their appointed time,

21.then My Covenant may also be broken with David My servant, that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and with the Levitical priests My ministers.


GOD did not only choose Israel but He created it for His Own Glory.


Isaiah 43.1-7.15.21.25

1.Israel "Do not fear, I have redeem you, I have called you by name, you are Mine!

2.When you pass through the waters I will be with you, and through the rivers, they will not overflow you, when you walk through the fire you will not be scorched, nor will the flame burn you.

3.I am the Lord your GOD, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I have given Egypt as your ransom, Cush and Seba in your place.

4.Since you are precious in My sight, since you are honored, and I love you,I will give other men in your place and other peoples in exchange for you life.

5.Do not fear, I am with you, I will bring your offspring from the east, and gather you from the west.

6.I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' And to the south, 'Do not hold them back.' Bring My sons from afar and My daughters from the ends of the Earth,

7.everyone who is called by My name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom I have made.

15.I am the Lord your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King.'

21.The people whom I formed for Myself will declare My praise.

25.I, even I, am the One Who wipes out your transgressions for My Own sake, and I will not remember your sins.”

People of Israel will remain as His priestly nation forever, and will serve the Lord in the future in His Heavenly Temple in Jerusalem as His priests forever. Because the history of humankind will make it’s full circle and will be complete in Jerusalem, from which the knowledge and worship of GOD truly began in earnest.
Perhaps we have a different definition of the word "Christian".
To me, it means "one who follows Jesus Christ", which doesn't necessarily include everyone who claims to be a Christian. Of course, I do not claim to read hearts...
Perhaps you missed the very end of the verse where it says that the nation that receives the kingdom will bring forth the fruits thereof.

Now, you may be right that God will reconcile Israel to Himself eventually...but at the moment, they are not the Chosen People.
Have you ever read the Torah? It is available online. You might be surprised at what's in there.
 
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Are the Jews still people of GOD? This question has been presented at the Sunday Bible School. And as a conclusion he added, “Jews lost their privileges, and they are no longer people of GOD.”


I heard same thing long time ago when I was watching one religious channel on TV. The Catholic priest actually admitted that they (Catholics) have been wrong by declaring that Jews no longer people of GOD, but they still are.


This admission of the priest actually surprised me, because I even never thought or imagine what someone would say such thing, more over indoctrinate such despicable lie as a church dogma.

And now again, many years later I herd it again that Jews no longer people of GOD, but this time not from the Catholics, but from “Adventist”. And I wonder who were else believes in such falsehood?


So I looked at the Bible to find the evidence of such claim. Indeed, I found number of places in the Old Testament there it said that when GOD being angry with His people Israel told them that they are no longer His people, and He will forsake them, and He will abandon them.

But at closer examination I also found that such statements have been said only at times when Israel turned away from their GOD, worship other gods, and did not followed His Laws and His Commandments.


But immediately after suffering from the punishment of GOD, after they cried to GOD asking for forgiveness, and cleansed their land from all pagan abominations, and began observing His Statutes and Commandments, the Lord GOD accepted them back without any delay and blessed them generously, and this pattern I noticed throughout entire Old Testament.


This means that when GOD said, “You are no longer My people”, and “I abandoning you”, or “Forsake you”, these words of GOD means that He abandoning, and forsake them to their enemies, to diseases, to hunger, to violence, to the sword, expelling them from their land as captives, making them slaves, and so on.


But as soon as they repented from the heart, asked Him for forgiveness, and stop violating His Statutes and Commandments, He immediately takes them back as His people, blesses them, and cares for them, just like any other good and decent earthly father would do to his disobedient sons, discipline them and forgiving them again and again.


Deuteronomy 8.5

5.Know then in your heart that as a parent disciplines a child, so the Lord your GOD disciplines you.


Psalms 94.12

12.Happy are those whom You discipline O Lord, and Whom You teach out of Your Law.


Proverbs 3.12

12.the Lord reproves one He loves, as a father the son in whom He delights.


Proverbs 23.13-14

13.Do not withhold discipline from your children, if you beat them with a rod they will not die.

14.If you beat them with the rod you will save their lives from Sheol.


It is also very evident from the Bible that the Lord GOD never spoke such words as, “You are no longer My people”, or “I abandoning you”, or “Forsake you”, about all generations of Hebrews, but He only said these words to those generations what did not following Him, and subsequently He punished them for their transgression and sins against Him, by forsake them and abandoning them to their enemies.


Leviticus 26.40-42

40."If theyIsrael confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their forefathers in their unfaithfulness which they committed against Me, and also in their acting with hostility against Me,

41.I also was acting with hostility against them to bring them into the land of their enemies, or if their uncircumcised heart becomes humbled, so that they then make amends for their iniquity,

42.then I will remember My Covenant with Jacob, and I will remember also My Covenant with Isaac, and My Covenant with Abraham as well, and I will remember the land.


I also noticed while studying this subject that the Covenant of GOD with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and with their descendants after them, is ETERNAL. Such words as ETERNAL, or FOREVER, or EVERLASTING, appears very often there the word Covenant is mentioned. So this means that the Covenant of GOD with His people Israel is ETERNAL-FOREVER-EVERLASTING, for all times and for all generations to come. Israel numerous times broke their Covenant with GOD, but not the Lord, He still remains faithful to His Covenant with His people, otherwise He would be like them.


2Timothy 2.13

13.If we are faithless, He remains faithful, He cannot deny Himself.


1Samuel 12.22

22.The Lord will not abandon His people ON ACCOUNT OF HIS GREAT NAMEbecause the Lord has been pleased to make you a people for Himself.


2Samuel 7.16 (Words of GOD to David)

16.”And your house and you kingdom shall endure before Me FOREVER, your throne shall be established FOREVER"

(2Samuel 7.13.16) (1Chronicles 17.12.14, 22.10, 28.7-8)


Certain picture has been portrait in the Old Testament where GOD declared Himself as a Husband, and His people as His bride which became unfaithful to Him, gone astray, and committed adultery. But as a faithful Husband to her He patiently wait for her return to Him, which eventually will happen sooner or later, and she (Israel) never again will wander away from Him.


But the most amazing things about future of the people of Israel and their relationship with their GOD are written in the prophecies. And here only few of them:


Jeremiah 24.7

7.”And I will give them *a heart to know Me,I am the Lord, and they will be My people and I will be their GOD, they will return to Me with their whole heart.”

*New heart: (2Chronicles 30.12) (Psalm 40.7-8)(Jeremiah 24.7, 30.22, 31.33, 32.38.40) (Hebrews 10.16-17) (2Corinthians 3.3)


Jeremiah 32.38.40

38.”And they shall be My people and I will be their GOD,

40.And I will make an *Everlasting Covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them to do them good, and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts, so that they will not turn away from Me.”

*New Covenant: (Isaiah 54.10, 61.1) (Jeremiah 31.31-34, 32.37-41) (Ezekiel 16.59-60.62) (Malachi 3.1) (Hebrews 4.6, 8.6-13)


1Peter 2.9-10

9.But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for GOD'S Own possession, that you may proclaim the excellences of Him Who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

10.You once were not a people, but now you are the people of GOD, you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.



Revelation 21.2.22-23

2.And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from GOD, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

22.Temple (in Jerusalem which came down from Heaven), Temple

23.And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine upon it, the glory of GOD has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb. (Isaiah 60.19-20) (Zechariah 14.6-7) (Revelation 21.23, 22.5)


And here is a question for those who think that the people of Israel no longer have their GOD because, “they lost their privilege” as one liar said at Sunday school. And now the question: Why then GOD would make a new Jerusalem, and put it in the place of the old one, and shine on it by His Own Light if the Jews no longer His people?

Is it would be more logical to put His own holy heavenly Temple among “His people” in Philadelphia, or Paris, or Berlin, or London, or in Rome for example, or somewhere in Asia or Africa?


Why then in the future GOD will even recall and bring David back to rule over His people Israel forever? (Jeremiah 30.9) (Ezekiel 34.23-24, 37.24-25) (Hosea 3.4-5)

Taking to account that these prophecies about David had been made roughly between 600 and 700 years after David’s death.


Why GOD would write His Laws on the hearts of His people if they are no longer His? I have many other similar questions to ask according to the context of all the passages above and according to those numerous verses which are not included on this page. Perhaps it would be too many questions to ask, and unnecessary to ask, because the Word of GOD always reveal the liar by its own truth.

Israel is still God's chosen people. He isn't finished with them yet.
 
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Have you ever read the Torah? It is available online. You might be surprised at what's in there.

The one to read is the Talmud. That is the book of Rabbinical Judaism (the religion of the Jews for 2000 years). That one will really make your ears burn, especially the parts about Jesus.
 
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The one to read is the Talmud. That is the book of Rabbinical Judaism (the religion of the Jews for 2000 years). That one will really make your ears burn, especially the parts about Jesus.
I stand corrected. I meant to say "Talmud".
I have read some of those parts about Jesus, and you're quite right...they made my ears burn.
I wonder how many people know that "the chosen people" think that Jesus was a sorcerer who did magic with His...erm...I can't bear to even think about it...his "male member".
Oh, and He is currently boiling in a sea of (forgive me, Lord) excrement.
Nasty.
They have some lovely things to say about Christians, too.
Jews are NOT our friends...
 
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In Posts #4 and #15 (at least) Svt4Him wondered why God chose Israel as the nation of His affection, and why they are still His chosen people.

The answer may lie in Romans 11:28
As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
which follows Romans 11:25-27
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


It appears that the ethnic descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (the fathers) are beloved because of Abraham's faith and the one-sided covenant God made with Abraham in Genesis 15:7-21. That covenant has yet to be fulfilled as God defined it.

And unless we reject, or attempt to explain away, God-inspired prophecies in the Inspired Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament), we see the reason why God says He must actually restore Israel; and we also see some aspects of the role restored Israel is to play.

Before giving some examples, I would like to submit for thought that any version of the “Gospel” that is not based on the whole counsel of God, must be considered suspect. (No matter how much we have based our life on it to date.)

A few examples follow.

1. Ezekiel 36:21,22,23,32,36.
21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
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32 Not for your sakes do I [this], saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
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36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined [places, and] plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken [it], and I will do [it].


If you wish to read the whole passage, here it is: Ezekiel 36:17-36. Please read it carefully.

2. Ezekiel 16:55,60-62
55 When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate.
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60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy [existing] covenant.
62 And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I [am] the LORD:


The elder sister here refers to Sodom, the younger sister to Samaria. Question: what does returning to their former estate mean?

3. Zechariah 8:22,23.
22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD.
23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.


And with respect to God restoring the nation of Israel, consider Jeremiah 31:31-37.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD.
33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.



Note: The true church is referred to as Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:29), and as the children of promise (Romans 9:8; Galatians 4:28). The prophecies regarding the restoration of Israel and the new covenant, refer to the seed of Jacob (Israel).
 
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