Same-sex marraig poll
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Yes, it's all a conspiracy. Of course it is. 10% of the population is actively trying to destroy marriage for the other 90%. Because... reasons.
I have a bridge for sale, too. Only one previous owner...
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Ahh...a classic progressive/Leftist response you resort to. Whenever facts get in the way just brush them aside as a conspiracy theory.
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What "facts?" What are you actually worried about? Because I'm married, and don't see any homosexuals trying to stop me from being so. I really don't get your concern.
Are there a tiny number of radical people who think marriage should be abolished? Sure. But so what? I've encountered radical people who think the letter "C" should be abolished. The fact that there are people out there with weird ideas doesn't mean the weird ideas are likely to gain traction anytime soon.
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So when a leading LGBT activist (who believes marriage should not exist and is roundly applauded by the LGBT community for saying so) declares that other LGBT activists are lying to you about their real sentiments about the future for marriage, YOU deliberately choose to believe the ones who are lying to you? I can't argue with that approach to truth.
Here's an interesting video link about same sex marriage and it's end goal.
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Leading according to whom?
Well, you have a choice to make, I guess. Either the majority are lying, including their leading activists, when they say they're not trying to "destroy marriage", or the minority is lying. Ockham's razor does the rest.
Be so good as to give me a summation in your own words.
You didn't actually answer my question, by the way. So again, "what are you actually, specifically worried is going to happen?" In real world, concrete terms?
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Masha Gessen, is a journalist, author, and activist and has written extensively on LGBT rights and help founded the Pink Triangle Campaign. Gessen has been a prolific contributor to such publications as The New York Times, THe Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, The new Republic, New Statesman. Granta, Slate, Vanity Fair, and U.S News & World Report. She has also appeared in the Australian comedy Mad as Hell.
Masha Gessen said that the push for gay marriage has less to do with the right for gays to marry and that instead its about diminishing and eventually destroying the institution of marriage and redefining the traditional family. She said at a LGBT convention, that "it's a no brainer, we should not have the right to marry and that equally it's a no brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist". If you listen to that You Tube video below you'll hear that the LGBT audience shout and applause in approval for this comment, so we see it's not some minority view as you're hoping for.
Masha Gessen's comments confirm the point made by Julia Gillard that the activists pushing same sex marriage are the same people who have always claimed (like Masha Gessen) that they do not believe in marriage, claiming that it is patriarchal and old fashioned.
You seem to want to put your trust in the lies (as LGBT activist Masha Gessen calls it) of those who do not believe in the institution of marriage.
It seems that you are so determined to believe the lies of LGBT same sex marriage activists that no matter what I show you, you will not accept any facts that challenge your beliefs.
Anyway, their goal is to so diminish the definition of marriage, such that it will eventually include polyamory too, that the institution of marriage will become so meaningless that it will eventually be discarded. And this is their aim. They have even claimed they believe children should have many parents instead of the current biological mum and dad who are married.
These goals are consistent with the goals Communists had stated decades ago. In 1958 a book by an ex FBI agent Cleon Skousen, who had been researching the Communist movement, listed the goals that the Communists clearly stated at their meetings. Below is a link to a 1 minute You Tube video that even you will have the time for. It lists some of the goals that the Communists having been working towards for the past 50 years or so.
Goals such as:
Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Present homo-sexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "Normal, Natural, Healthy".
Many of their goals have been achieved or are close to being attained. Even Yuri Bezmenov, a former member of the Communist KGB before his defection several decades ago, said that the Communists he was working with were surprised how fast their goals of subverting western society were being achieved.
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Its called cognitive dissonance when being confronted by new factual information that conflicts with your existing beliefs and values.
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why should everyone, including those not in your religion, be forced to live under laws based on one interpretation of your religion?
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I hate to break this to you, but even if her audience was entirely influential LGBT activists and they legitimately represented the feelings of the LGBT community, I can still tell you, as an LGBT activist who is thoroughly involved in the community, I had never heard of her before a couple weeks ago on this website.
To proclaim that this one person and her audience of LGBT (is that actually substantiated?) community members still aren't established as people with their proverbial fingers on the pulse.
The drive for gay marriage had nothing to do with destroying anything. I'm really sorry that a few people in the community seem to think so, but it has nothing to do with it.
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This is my take on it from a Non Christian.
The only part of a marriage that makes it legally binding is when you sign the marriage certificate.
I know the Bible teaches that you don't judge others, that's up to your God.
There are very specific verses in the New Testament (I know two in Mathew and one each in Luke and Mark) advising what constitutes Adultery and I don't see to many Churches or christians concerned about why someone is divorcing and remarrying.
Also Adultery is one of your ten commandments, same sex marriage is not.
So I think as true "moderate" christians you should get on with your own lives, stop judging others and if you really believe in your God then you should accept that if these people are doing wrong they will be judged one day by the only person who should be judging.
And allow the law of the land to decide what is right or what is wrong, so we can all get along in a secular society. Heaven help us if we lived like they do in some Islamic countries where religion dictates the law.
Would you like to start putting homosexuals to death as written in the scriptures.
"Let he without sin cast the first stone"
I think what I'm seeing is a lot of people trying to hide their homophobia behind their religion.
Be consistent, don't just pick and choose because it's "convenient"
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The only part of a marriage that makes it legally binding is when you sign the marriage certificate.
I know the Bible teaches that you don't judge others, that's up to your God.
There are very specific verses in the New Testament (I know two in Mathew and one each in Luke and Mark) advising what constitutes Adultery and I don't see to many Churches or christians concerned about why someone is divorcing and remarrying.
Also Adultery is one of your ten commandments, same sex marriage is not.
So I think as true "moderate" christians you should get on with your own lives, stop judging others and if you really believe in your God then you should accept that if these people are doing wrong they will be judged one day by the only person who should be judging.
And allow the law of the land to decide what is right or what is wrong, so we can all get along in a secular society. Heaven help us if we lived like they do in some Islamic countries where religion dictates the law.
Would you like to start putting homosexuals to death as written in the scriptures.
"Let he without sin cast the first stone"
I think what I'm seeing is a lot of people trying to hide their homophobia behind their religion.
Be consistent, don't just pick and choose because it's "convenient"
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Metronome
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Man, you need to take a chill Pill. Christianity in this country get's a free ride on a lot of different levels. Persecution and Discrimination against Christians by the PC facists, really!, next you will be saying they are trying to take the Christ out Christmas. Look, If they wanted to feed to you to the lions I would agree you had a case about persecution, but I think you do alright in this country, and hey, I do love you in an atheist type of way, but you need to tone it down a bit.
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Once again with the Bible it all depends where you look or what you want to find ,
Now let's see what I can come up with .
Mathew 7:1
1"Do not judge so that you will not be judged.2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.…
Luke 6:37
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Luke 6:41
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
John 8:7
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
And I could go on for quite a few more.
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Hi,
That's great, but you seem to keep on confirming what I have already stated, is that the Bible can be interpreted to say anything you want. I like your verse but I think mine are a lot less ambiguous than yours (just my opinion). Not wanting to get off track but to me it is so obvious that the Bible was written, rather by an all knowing loving God, but rather written by men who were violent, racist, misogynists and had no understanding of the world in which they lived in. But, if we were to accept your belief that you are actually instructed by the Bible and God to judge others I would like to ask you to what point and for what reason you should judge others. Tell me how your judging others will make for a better world today and how does that correlate with the basics of Jesus's teachings that you should love your neighbor or others. Do you manage to judge others and love them at the same time?. Do you judge those that have remarried but then pretend to get along with them?.
If you did wouldn't you feel a little bit two faced. I'm sure you know someone who has divorced and remarried. Which, as you know, goes completely against the commandments and New Testament teachings. So tell me how does this judging others, that you believe you have been instructed to do, make for a better Society or Christian (in your regard). I'm very curious to know what your reasoning is.
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Metronome
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Berean777
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Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]eth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it all be gone.
(1 Kings 14:10)
The LIE serves one master and he is the devil. It is the devil who perpetrates the falling away from the faith, in all who loved not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The strong delusion serves to destroy those that serve the LIE. Let it be, let them be destroyed, for once a a person is declared a son or daughter of perdition, they are marked for eternal death.
Heaven has the numbers it needs for the wedding supper of the lamb and doesn't need Lukewarmers.
(1 Kings 14:10)
The LIE serves one master and he is the devil. It is the devil who perpetrates the falling away from the faith, in all who loved not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The strong delusion serves to destroy those that serve the LIE. Let it be, let them be destroyed, for once a a person is declared a son or daughter of perdition, they are marked for eternal death.
Heaven has the numbers it needs for the wedding supper of the lamb and doesn't need Lukewarmers.
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Berean777
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You shall know them by their works. The faithful who obey the Lord's commandments are being perfected in Christ, through Christ's sufferings.
Unfortunately for most, the sovereign Lord has chosen those, who like Judas Isariot are destined for perdition, as the sons and daughters of perdition.
You will know heaven is for you, because you take part in the sufferings of Christ and are therefore separated from the world. On the other hand the sons and daughters of perdition are embraced by the world and are of the world.
By the similar old ryhme ........
All I can say is don't anger him.
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