#WhitePeople: MTV Premieres Documentary on White Privilege in America

well my black son in law gets promoted on average with in a month of getting a new job.. my husbands who appears white-ish it takes month even years.. now he is old it doesn't happen at all. and both men work edvery hard and both have degrees .. though they all want him to work for them they don't want to pay him for it .
I worked hard when I did work and never got a promotion after a month in 5 jobs. of course i'm a woman.
no people are just making up stuff to be hateful as an excuse .
anyone who wants to work can and they will get promoted if they work hard no matter what color they are. they just can't act like a sewer rat.

no I know mankind as being very hateful and and I see it in all people the same , I have a right to that opinion.
and I know those rise above that and I see them in all people also.

NO people will wallow in social endowments and self pitty and bitterness until they grow it hate it and find the only way out of it.
in the mean time I find forcing people to admit some kind of hateful guilt trip in the NOW for some kind of fabrication, to not be productive and benefits no one .
so yes look in the past , do what you have to do to forgive or find only one who can teach us to forgive.

( I don't think any kind of guilt trip is healthy, understanding others might be wise or is wise.. in understanding how we got here. but not quilt for something they had no personal responsibility for . in the mean time so called boring white rice /society pays the bills and maybe a "thank you" might be nice from those who don't pay the bills maybe ? )

but people don't except guilt for what THEY DO.. how much less for what they didn't do.

maybe we should just show them what was and is beautiful and precious about native America and black america , asian america ....
because scientism has them believing there is no real native americans left and that they were just trees monkey when europeans got here.. and that of course is a lie.

Chicken Little said:

maybe we should just show them what was and is beautiful and precious about native America and black america , asian america ....

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Well we can't do that either, see if you introduce people to other cultures they will want to experience parts of those cultures and if you are white, well that's obviously cultural appropriation.

"White privilege" has always been used to silence and browbeat. A great way to see this in action was the occupy wallstreet movement in NYC and their use of the progressive stack.

All this propaganda video does is work to reinforce the idea that white people should be made to feel bad for how they were born. It's the new worlds version of sins of the father.

Red Fox said:

No, the subject of this thread is about the content of the MTV documentary on white privilege that was posted in the original post.

It is, in effect, suppose to be a rational and respectful discussion on race relations here in the United States.



Thank you for sharing your opinion and insight on this issue. I appreciate your input.

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Ah, I watched the entire video right now, (Adobe Flash is removed on my computers); and this is the forth time I noticed your statement requesting to watch the video, so I downloaded the file and watched it.

At minute 21, one young woman sort agrees with my sentiment, being white alone does not give you a large advantage. Also, the numbers indicate that the current student body no longer contains a white majority. It is 47% now, and soon this trend will reflect the general population as well. - I believe there is a misconception of white privilege. People of the same skin colour tent to relate and help each others. For as long as one can draw from a large pool for help, help will be found. Yes, in a way this is racism, but it is also human nature.

Another personal side note:
I think discrimination will take place where ever and when ever people choose to discriminate. I my place of birth, Frankfurt am Main, are clubs that are prohibited to discriminate. Yet, if you enter and are not invited (and you will get only invited if you belong to the top class in society), one simple cup of coffee costs 60 Euros.

I've been trying to give some credence to the idea of white privilege, does it exist at all? I would say that we would have to start with it pales (no pun intended) when compared to the privileges of the rich, well connected and good looking and physically fit, etc. If we compare say Will Smith with some half starved ugly, white kid in the south, I think we would all agree Will Smith has more "privileges". Now if I compare say Will Smith and Brad Pitt, would I say Brad because he is white is more privileged? Not so sure, mostly because on a societal level they are both so far above me, the possible extra bump of being white just doesn't matter. So I guess I'm saying that compared to the other sources of privilege we all live with, it just seems like a minor issue.

jacks said:

I've been trying to give some credence to the idea of white privilege, does it exist at all? I would say that we would have to start with it pales (no pun intended) when compared to the privileges of the rich, well connected and good looking and physically fit, etc. If we compare say Will Smith with some half starved ugly, white kid in the south, I think we would all agree Will Smith has more "privileges". Now if I compare say Will Smith and Brad Pitt, would I say Brad because he is white is more privileged? Not so sure, mostly because on a societal level they are both so far above me, the possible extra bump of being white just doesn't matter. So I guess I'm saying that compared to the other sources of privilege we all live with, it just seems like a minor issue.

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Most of what's called "white privilege" has more to do with wealth than anything.

TerranceL said:

Well we can't do that either, see if you introduce people to other cultures they will want to experience parts of those cultures and if you are white, well that's obviously cultural appropriation.

"White privilege" has always been used to silence and browbeat. A great way to see this in action was the occupy wallstreet movement in NYC and their use of the progressive stack.

All this propaganda video does is work to reinforce the idea that white people should be made to feel bad for how they were born. It's the new worlds version of sins of the father.

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well there are very real issues out there . but skin color is goofy and it is sciences fault because they don't have a freakin clue about dna or inheritance or history .. nothing.. so fixing the big lies is more important the lies of skin colors..
but that is what people seem to want to fight about. I think that is wrong . we have to fix the real issues and that is false history of the cultures here and our world here and science and academia is responsible.

TerranceL said:

Well we can't do that either, see if you introduce people to other cultures they will want to experience parts of those cultures and if you are white, well that's obviously cultural appropriation.

"White privilege" has always been used to silence and browbeat. A great way to see this in action was the occupy wallstreet movement in NYC and their use of the progressive stack.

All this propaganda video does is work to reinforce the idea that white people should be made to feel bad for how they were born. It's the new worlds version of sins of the father.

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well they can too go to pow wows and even dance like an indian or try too .. maybe not in regalia . but there is other dances and a shawl for the ladies is all that is need to join in some of the dances. and any stomps you might be invited to go to require no special clothes . but even pure bloodied euro's can dance for certain dances at every powwow I have been too .. which ain't tons but enough to know they always want everyone and all the kids to have a good time. it is a celebration of family and history and they want people to come and celebrate with them. and I found the same with greek and Irish festivals and every kind of culture will dance with everyone who wants to celebrate with them . so heck yes support your local pow wow.. and you might make a friend! but no don't try and do sweat lodges or
"medicine" , of course the majority of christian wouldn't dare do that anyway . but new agers would and do .

Chicken Little said:

well my black son in law gets promoted on average with in a month of getting a new job.. my husbands who appears white-ish it takes month even years.. now he is old it doesn't happen at all. and both men work edvery hard and both have degrees .. though they all want him to work for them they don't want to pay him for it .
I worked hard when I did work and never got a promotion after a month in 5 jobs. of course i'm a woman.
no people are just making up stuff to be hateful as an excuse .
anyone who wants to work can and they will get promoted if they work hard no matter what color they are. they just can't act like a sewer rat.

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Okay, let's take color and race out of the picture for a moment. I've worked in construction and they can have some pretty fast periods of pay raises (if you're doing a good job). In non-union in Wisconsin it's not uncommon to get a dollar ($1) pay raise every 6 months or every year until you hit a certain pay ceiling. In unions they have more of a set pay climb rate, though (whereas it's usually not set in union, but by culture tends to be every 6 or 12 months), but I'm not entirely sure what those may be.

But a lot of jobs do not give out pay raises let alone promotions so rapidly as in the term of 30 days. And you made it sound like your son-in-law and husband have a work history of jumping from job to job and not staying with a company for decades. So, in that you have made it sound like it is a common occurrence that in each job your son-in-law and husband jumps to it is your son-in-law who gets the promotion in 30 days even though your husband is equal to him in all ways as an employe.

Now lets bring color and race back into the picture.

So, let me get this straight, when a white guy can't get a promotion it has nothing to do with him being inferior in one or more ways as a laborer? But when a black guy can't get a promotion it must be due to the sound bite that he's just not as smart or not as capable or not as much of a hard worker as his white competitors?

Chicken Little said:

NO people will wallow in social endowments and self pitty and bitterness until they grow it hate it and find the only way out of it.
in the mean time I find forcing people to admit some kind of hateful guilt trip in the NOW for some kind of fabrication, to not be productive and benefits no one .
so yes look in the past , do what you have to do to forgive or find only one who can teach us to forgive.

( I don't think any kind of guilt trip is healthy, understanding others might be wise or is wise.. in understanding how we got here. but not quilt for something they had no personal responsibility for . in the mean time so called boring white rice /society pays the bills and maybe a "thank you" might be nice from those who don't pay the bills maybe ? )

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So, white people are the only tax payers in the USA now, but there's nothing really racist in that statement, right?

In terms of sheer numbers (most the population of the USA is white), in terms of per capita income and related taxable income, yeah... it may well be white people contribute the largest share to the tax system. I don't know that that is the case but I'm assuming for a moment it is.

But then it depends on what one means by "pay the bills."

Infrastructure like a police force, fire department, road repairs, sanitation department, public schools are paid for by local governments through property taxes.

When the tax base of a city falls it has a domino effect on other things. Public swimming pools close, public school buildings close and/or are sold, police forces sometimes shrink et cetera.

The City of Detroit is America's largest black city and if the "white race" and "white society" are paying the bills in Detroit then they're doing a pretty poor job. For a city with a larger population than Milwaukee's and larger geography they have a police force in Detroit that is roughly the size of the smaller Milwaukee. Detroit has fewer city snow trucks than Milwaukee and it's public schools are either roughly the same size or fewer than Milwaukee's. But per capita income is less in Detroit than in Milwaukee.

So, the property tax dollars in Waukesha County--mainly white people--stays in Waukesha benefiting the white neighborhoods, and those tax dollars are not used on sustaining the predominately black North Side of Milwaukee nor the City of Milwaukee (in the County of Milwaukee).

There's also impoverished rural areas of the United States made up of white people. Many of whom are on public assistance. And some of them live in job deprived areas.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Detroit-Michigan.html

Chicken Little said:

well there are very real issues out there . but skin color is goofy and it is sciences fault because they don't have a freakin clue about dna or inheritance or history .. nothing.. so fixing the big lies is more important the lies of skin colors..
but that is what people seem to want to fight about. I think that is wrong . we have to fix the real issues and that is false history of the cultures here and our world here and science and academia is responsible.

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With being cognizant of the tone of your post--I think you are thinking of the social sciences, namely sociology, and not the modern natural sciences (e.g., chemistry, physics, biology).

In the past science did advance racist notions. Today people prefer to call things like the Eugenics movement "pseudoscience." But really that was as well accepted science back then as any prevailing scientific views are today.

But when you refer to academia and race I think you are referring to the social sciences, especially in relation to historical narratives. The modern natural sciences today don't say what you think they say about "race." They are not divisive as they were during the Eugenics era.

As for the social sciences... they tend to be predominately left-wing.

Hank said:

I thought this topic is about the Native American?
Anyway, I respectfully disagree. Just because one is white does not give one privileges or even parts of privileges enjoyed by the privileged class. There were, are and always will be the Have and Have Not.
The reason I am not apologetic about my skin tone is because there is nothing I can do about it; nor was I part of discrimination of peoples with different skin tones let alone executed some of the known atrocities recorded in history.

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Again, no one is expecting you to apologise or to feel ashamed. It is simply a matter of recognition - recognising that, as a group, there are inbuilt advantages that white people enjoy.

That's really all it is.

SuperCloud said:

Okay, let's take color and race out of the picture for a moment. I've worked in construction and they can have some pretty fast periods of pay raises (if you're doing a good job). In non-union in Wisconsin it's not uncommon to get a dollar ($1) pay raise every 6 months or every year until you hit a certain pay ceiling. In unions they have more of a set pay climb rate, though (whereas it's usually not set in union, but by culture tends to be every 6 or 12 months), but I'm not entirely sure what those may be.

But a lot of jobs do not give out pay raises let alone promotions so rapidly as in the term of 30 days. And you made it sound like your son-in-law and husband have a work history of jumping from job to job and not staying with a company for decades. So, in that you have made it sound like it is a common occurrence that in each job your son-in-law and husband jumps to it is your son-in-law who gets the promotion in 30 days even though your husband is equal to him in all ways as an employe.

Now lets bring color and race back into the picture.

So, let me get this straight, when a white guy can't get a promotion it has nothing to do with him being inferior in one or more ways as a laborer? But when a black guy can't get a promotion it must be due to the sound bite that he's just not as smart or not as capable or not as much of a hard worker as his white competitors?

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I didn't give you there whole history or the reason for the various lay offs.
I was only comparing lay off to new jobs , from lay offs to new jobs to promotion.
and yes when my hubby was young he was boss of other men older than him .
but he also was never promoted for his hard work as quickly as my son in law has been in the last few years.
but neither of our guys has worked a union job. if it was union they wouldn't work for them anyway.

the difference between son in law and hubby is hubby has been downsized many time in many years and sticks with the companies until they close the doors and son in laws has both quit and been down sized. it is tough times for jobs but our area has done ok but there has been some down sizing hit as all hard too.

SuperCloud said:

So, white people are the only tax payers in the USA now, but there's nothing really racist in that statement, right?

In terms of sheer numbers (most the population of the USA is white), in terms of per capita income and related taxable income, yeah... it may well be white people contribute the largest share to the tax system. I don't know that that is the case but I'm assuming for a moment it is.

But then it depends on what one means by "pay the bills."

Infrastructure like a police force, fire department, road repairs, sanitation department, public schools are paid for by local governments through property taxes.

When the tax base of a city falls it has a domino effect on other things. Public swimming pools close, public school buildings close and/or are sold, police forces sometimes shrink et cetera.

The City of Detroit is America's largest black city and if the "white race" and "white society" are paying the bills in Detroit then they're doing a pretty poor job. For a city with a larger population than Milwaukee's and larger geography they have a police force in Detroit that is roughly the size of the smaller Milwaukee. Detroit has fewer city snow trucks than Milwaukee and it's public schools are either roughly the same size or fewer than Milwaukee's. But per capita income is less in Detroit than in Milwaukee.

So, the property tax dollars in Waukesha County--mainly white people--stays in Waukesha benefiting the white neighborhoods, and those tax dollars are not used on sustaining the predominately black North Side of Milwaukee nor the City of Milwaukee (in the County of Milwaukee).

There's also impoverished rural areas of the United States made up of white people. Many of whom are on public assistance. And some of them live in job deprived areas.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Detroit-Michigan.html

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we don't live in milwaukee or detroit .. certainly isn't all of the Usa.
and no the money doesn't stay in it's own neighborhoods.
you are cherry picking. my only point is anyone who wants to work can and hard work and good attitude will be rewarded.

SuperCloud said:

With being cognizant of the tone of your post--I think you are thinking of the social sciences, namely sociology, and not the modern natural sciences (e.g., chemistry, physics, biology).

In the past science did advance racist notions. Today people prefer to call things like the Eugenics movement "pseudoscience." But really that was as well accepted science back then as any prevailing scientific views are today.

But when you refer to academia and race I think you are referring to the social sciences, especially in relation to historical narratives. The modern natural sciences today don't say what you think they say about "race." They are not divisive as they were during the Eugenics era.

As for the social sciences... they tend to be predominately left-wing.

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acedemia with science is scientism . a is scientism is the same blood, same roots of the same tree..
done.