Why do people believe in a Rapture?
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"it is after the time of the great tribulation.
The vials will be poured out."
Nay .... it is the great tribulation
The vials come at the end of the tribulation and they are specifically targeted against Satan's beast and his followers
The vials will be poured out."
Nay .... it is the great tribulation
The vials come at the end of the tribulation and they are specifically targeted against Satan's beast and his followers
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It looks to me like there will be two resurrections but only one for the saints.
"The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended"
After the 1000 years will come the bad guy resurrection, right?
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Because we have an update with increased detail that Daniel and John didn't know about at the times of the writings that you quoted. It's called Revelation 20:
"The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended"
"Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection!
Over such the second death has no power,"
"Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection!
Over such the second death has no power,"
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First Resurrection...
Have you been, born again?
Joh_3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh_3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Present tense... Now... This is the first resurrection. It is spiritual.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
This is the Second Resurrection. It is a future bodily resurrection of those in-Christ.
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Yes, I'm a 5 point Calvinist. I was born, born again. Picked by the Father from before the foundation of the universe and drawn by the Holy spirit to believe in Jesus.
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The Bible says different.
The Bible says different. Lets go into Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Lets go to Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Saints has arrive at the seventh trump, which is last trump and the nation are angry. Time for the dead to arrive in Christ first..
Lets go into 1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Lets go into Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
This is all in the seventh trumpet.
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Lets look at that Last trump....Paul says 1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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"No saints are being slain during the vials. The 42 months of the little horn is already
over. The vials punish those that followed the beast and slew the saints/Israel."
There will be "saints" slain during the the battle of Armageddon even though the direct target of the 7 vials will be against the beast and his kingdom of followers [Revelation 16:1-16]
And I must tell you that that it is the Satan's beast in the human little horn who will be drawn to his destruction at Armageddon .... in the next 30 days .... following the second 1260 days of the 70th week decreed for Israel [Daniel 8:9-14; 8:23-25; 11:45; 12:11-12]
How could you possibly miss this truth?
over. The vials punish those that followed the beast and slew the saints/Israel."
There will be "saints" slain during the the battle of Armageddon even though the direct target of the 7 vials will be against the beast and his kingdom of followers [Revelation 16:1-16]
And I must tell you that that it is the Satan's beast in the human little horn who will be drawn to his destruction at Armageddon .... in the next 30 days .... following the second 1260 days of the 70th week decreed for Israel [Daniel 8:9-14; 8:23-25; 11:45; 12:11-12]
How could you possibly miss this truth?
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There are no Saints being slain in the passage you gave above.
The text states they have shed the blood of Saints, in the past.
Rev 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
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A saint is a believer in Jesus Christ, including the believing remnant of Israel during the tribulation period which will conclude with the battle of Armageddon [Revelation 14]
A saint is a believer in Jesus Christ, including the believing remnant of Israel during the tribulation period which will conclude with the battle of Armageddon [Revelation 14]
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