Once Saved Always Saved: Fact or Fiction?

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Undo it it all by turning away from Christ through unbelief.
Please, please, please provide evidence for such an opinion.

Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
Hebrews 3:12
Nope. Departing from the living God does not mean loss of salvation. It means just what it says. Has nothing to do with one's status as a saved person. Has everything to do with being an idiot. Like the prodigal son. He was a son at the beginning of the parable, while he was in a far country, and when he returned. He NEVER stopped being a son.

Since eternal life is an irrevocable gift, and it IS eternal, we cannot lose it, give it away, refund it, return it, or forfeit it.
 
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Angels are in the life and light of God they are eternal beings and where do you think they get the life and light and how can they be eternal without God. One day God shall be all in all, and all things in heaven and earth will be in him.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:10&version=KJV
Ephesians 1:10
That
in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

All things in heaven IN CHRIST? would that include angels in CHRIST? Are not angels part of the all things created in heaven in Christ?

Ok, well let's clear this up. Are you speaking of unity (as this passage is speaking of) or union? Usually the phrase "in Christ" is referring to union, not unity (scripturally and theologically speaking). This scripture is speaking of unity, however, and in particular is focusing on Christ as the head of everything - everything will come into his kingdom - all nations, angels, all of creation come into his kingdom (united into his Kingdom) - but that's as far as it goes (as glorious as that is). It does not indicate UNION with him, which is specifically and particularly reserved for the Church. It would be like saying that if I conquered a country that country becomes my queen, but that's not at all what the scriptures are saying - we are 'heirs' with Christ and the angels are not 'heirs' (there's no scripture that says that).

"toward the administration of the fullness of the times, to head up all things in Christ—the things in heaven and the things on earth." (Ephesians 1:10 NET)

"as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth." (Ephesians 1:10 ESV)

This seems to point to the New Heavens and New Earth coming together at the eschaton, all united under Christ's rule and reign, but in no way does this indicate that all creation enjoys union with him and does not say angels will also be the Bride of Christ. Based on all of the NT and the ideas showed in the OT around Israel, only the Church is the Bride of Christ and enjoy union with him, while all else may be in unity with the church and Christ.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:10&version=KJV
Ephesians 3:9
And to make
all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"

All things even angels were created by Christ
Yes they were - but that doesn't mean all things are in Christ, unless you're a pantheist or panentheist, or unless you're referring to unity and not union.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:10&version=KJV
Genesis 32:1
And Jacob went on his way, and the
angels of God met him.

What do you think the expression angels OF God means? How are they OF GOD?
OF God means OF God, not IN God.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:10&version=KJV
Psalm 103:20
"Bless the Lord, ye his
angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word."

Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his
angels..."

Notice they are HIS angels. What does HIS mean here?
That they are HIS, but that does not mean IN.

Revelation 22:9
Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."

Notice the angel is OF the prophets, How does a prophet speak? unless he is in God and God in him?
"A fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets" really does not have to mean any union with Christ is going on, and to make it say that there need to be other scriptures which point to that, which there are not (yours quoted above do not say this at all). Angels are messengers - give them a message and they deliver it. I really think you're reading this scripture the wrong way.

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in
the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."

and all acceptable worship is now in the spirit, so are the angels in the spirit? and if so what does that mean to be IN the spirit?
No, the angels are not in the Holy Spirit and I've never read any verse that says as such. This verse is speaking about how Jesus is more superior to angels and how God says angels must worship him. To apply what Jesus said about worshipping in Spirit and Truth in John 4:23 to angels is just taking the scriptures further than they reveal.

Angels are sons of God. And believers are called sons of God. How can we be sons of God unless Gods Light is in us. Is Gods light in angels?
God's light can be in both but that does not mean that the angels are in union with God. Jesus is THE Son of God and the incarnation points to him being 100 percent divine and 100 percent human. But the result of what you are saying here can make him an angel too, Is Jesus 100 percent human, 100 percent divine, and also 100 percent angel? Because the implication of this kind of teaching of union between Christ and angels would force you to have to go that direction - and yet Hebrews 1 really seems to go against that kind of thinking.

and Christ is the Word of God and all things were made by him, and the angels have spoken the word of God and so "in Him was life", are angels in LIFE? if so they are in him also.
No, there's no reason to go that step to say they are in him - in union with him. Angels are "ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation" (Hebrews 1:14) and that's as far as the scriptures reveal. To include them as "in Him" means to include them in the Bride of Christ, and to include them as part of the Church. If you want to go this way you are inventing your own teaching that is nowhere in the scriptures, and simply nowhere in orthodox Christian teaching - Arminian or Calvinist. What you are bordering on might actually sound more like some of Origen's ideas.
 
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Paul told the Philippians to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling and the context was their obedience.
Just a note: it says "work out" your salvation, not "work for" your salvation. A nuance that is often not noted but is very important to note.
 
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Who on here has "been saved, lost his/her salvation, and had to be saved again"?
Well, there are no believers who have lost their salvation, but some who through confusion, bad teaching, etc may think they have. And it's all based on performance or lifestyle. How sad.
 
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No, it doesn't mean that at all. It is saying we all go to hell for our sins.
The Bible tells us why people will be cast into the lake of fire in Rev 20:15. Their names are not in the book of life. They never had eternal life.

Christ died for ALL sins. Every one of them. Which is one reason salvation cannot be lost based on sin. All sin was judged and paid for.

It is saying that the cost of all of these sins is hell.
Yes, and Jesus paid that price. In full.

But, because of salvation, that cost has been paid for us. If we could lose our salvation because of sin, none of us would go to heaven.
Which is why no one goes to hell for their sins. They go there because they refused the free gift of eternal life.
 
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Rom 11:29
29 For God’s gifts and his call can never be withdrawn.
New Living Translation (NLT)

In other words God will always forgive us if we repent and have faith, he will always give gifts if we abide in him. If we do not we can fall from grace and as Judas did he fell by transgression. God is faithful to forgive and give life to all who repent and have faith. But there are many "if" in connection to this, if we continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel. if we confess him if we abide in him, if we lay hold of eternal life. if we sow to the spirit we shall reap everlasting life etc etc
 
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They might not believe they are working for it, but it feels that way in practice.


No we are saved by grace through faith, but lose it by an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.

Consider this section closely

"Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling,...6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end....12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" (Hebrews 3:1,6, 12-14 KJV)

Notice that we do not lose it by works but by unbelief. And our hearts get hardened through the decietfulness of sin.

and notice all the "ifs" , if we hold fast and hold the beginning of our confidence.
 
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That's the way some on here think. If you believe you can lose your salvation, you believe you are working for it.

No we are saved by grace through faith, but lose it by an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.

Consider this section closely

"Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling,...6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end....12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" (Hebrews 3:1,6, 12-14 KJV)

Notice that we do not lose it by works but by unbelief. And our hearts get hardened through the decietfulness of sin.

and notice all the "ifs" , if we hold fast and hold the beginning of our confidence.
 
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No, it doesn't mean that at all. It is saying we all go to hell for our sins. It is saying that the cost of all of these sins is hell. But, because of salvation, that cost has been paid for us. If we could lose our salvation because of sin, none of us would go to heaven.


No we are saved by grace through faith, but lose it by an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God. But the heart can be hardened through sin.

Consider this section closely

"Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling,...6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end....12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" (Hebrews 3:1,6, 12-14 KJV)

Notice that we do not lose it by works but by unbelief. And our hearts get hardened through the decietfulness of sin.

and notice all the "ifs" , if we hold fast and hold the beginning of our confidence.
 
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Ah, so it's all about man keeping himself saved. Got it.


"if you continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

and if we abide in him

if we sow to the spirit we shall reap life eternal.

and
Consider this section closely

"Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling,...6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end....12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" (Hebrews 3:1,6, 12-14 KJV)

Notice that we do not lose it by works but by unbelief. And our hearts get hardened through the decietfulness of sin.

and notice all the "ifs" , if we hold fast and hold the beginning of our confidence.
 
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Who on here has "been saved, lost his/her salvation, and had to be saved again"?


Galatians 3:2,3

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 4:19
My little children, of whom I travail in
birth again until Christ be formed in you,"

Galatians 4:20
I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you."

they were believers and n the Spirit and received the spirit by faith and then Paul said he stood in doubt of them. Does that sound like he was teaching eternal security?

also he said they had to be born again again.

the new birth is a renewal in righteousness and true holiness after the image of him that created us by the word of God. But we must abide in that word 1 John 2, and continue n the word. If we abide ( remain) not in Christ we can be cast forth as a branch and burned. as Jesus said. If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth firey indignation is what we are in danger of unless we repent.
 
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This poem by a 19th century Irish poet pretty much sums up the width and the depth of the mercy and Love of God in my humble opinion. God was so humble and loved his creation so much that he incarnated in the flesh, lived and died such a horrible death I would suggest even forgiving his fallen angels not beyond belief... All this arguing about scripture although it is good for the ego and helps to stimulate the grey matter in our heads it really gets us no where other than frustrated and annoyed with one another. :)

blessings, Gordon

The Fullness of Time
By James Stephens (b. 1882)

On a rusty iron throne
Past the furthest star of space
I saw Satan sit alone,
Old and haggard was his face;
For his work was done and he
Rested in eternity.

And to him from out the sun
Came his father and his friend
Saying, now the work is done
Enmity is at an end:
And he guided Satan to
Paradises that he knew.

Gabriel without a frown,
Uriel without a spear,
Raphael came singing down
Welcoming their ancient peer,
And they seated him beside
One who had been crucified.

Interesting poem, but salvation only comes while one is in the body (physical body) and only by faith. Satan can't have faith because he has seen God and rebelled and of course, no physical body for Satan, in which to receive Christ and become an overcomer while in the flesh.

Heb_10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

I don't think most people understand why Christ had to come in a body and destroy the works of the Devil while in the flesh and why we must receive Christ while in the Body.

This life is the only life in which you must be saved, after this life, the judgment.

No such thing as universal reconciliation.
 
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The Bible tells us why people will be cast into the lake of fire in Rev 20:15. Their names are not in the book of life. They never had eternal life.

Christ died for ALL sins. Every one of them. Which is one reason salvation cannot be lost based on sin. All sin was judged and paid for.


Yes, and Jesus paid that price. In full.


Which is why no one goes to hell for their sins. They go there because they refused the free gift of eternal life.


Hebrews 3 corrects your thinking here and read this in galatians

"Galatians 3:2,3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 4:19
My little children, of whom I travail in
birth again until Christ be formed in you,"

"birth again"!! sounds like they had to be born again again. but what is the new birth that is the discussion, what takes place as we abide in Christ and when we dont abide, its like being in light and then walking in darkness. John said if we say we are in the light and walk in darkness we lie and do not the truth.

Galatians 4:20
I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you."

notice in this next part he is speaking to those who received the Spirit by faith he says

"18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:18-21

Notice he is speaking to believers here and warns them that if they do these things they will not inherit the kingdom of God. It is very clear to the unbiased reader

Paul said a similar thing in 1 Cor 6

'9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" 1 Cor 6:9,10

Notice the part "be not deceived".

How many are deceived by such a OSAS doctrine that as they are in sin they say Im ok, and the teachers tell them they are still saved and ok. This has always been the error of false teachers read Jeremiah on this

" I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah." Jeremiah 23:14

Notice they strengthen the hands of evil doers, that means they make them feel stronger in their sin and not to fear, and they do not tell them to turn from their wickedness with warning. Paul warns the christians in Corinth and Galatia that if they do those things they will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the false ones who deceive men tell them no evil thing s shall come on you you are still saved.

"17 They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you." (Jeremiah 23:17)

They promise them a false eternal security. as many do today.

"22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings." (Jeramiah 23:22)

That is what all true ministers do

Paul said be not deceived, and these false ministers are deceived as well.

"26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;." (Jeremiah 23:26)

 
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The fact that you would ask and state this is proof positive that your system of understanding is totally unsystematic.

You are not teaching what is biblical.

Scripture interprets Scripture.

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23

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Set
Match

Do the words Eternal Life appear in Romans 11:29?

NO! Checkmate!

Stringing together parts from other scriptures to try and create a doctrine to prop up your preconceived idea, is no more scripture interpreting scripture, than tying to create a human being from parts of other human beings, and claiming you created a man, when all you've done is create
FRANKENSTEIN!!

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

...will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I Don't need to string together "parts" from other scriptures, to create s man made doctrine.

Not inherit the kingdom of God, says it all.

Checkmate!!!


JLB
 
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I said this:
"Ah, so it's all about man keeping himself saved. Got it."
"if you continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

and if we abide in him
The Bible teaches that eternal life is a gift of God and is irrevocable, per Rom 6:23 and Rom 11:29. This is fact. The 2 points above are not about getting or staying saved. They are about producing fruit, which all believers are supposed to do.

if we sow to the spirit we shall reap life eternal.
Eternal life is a free gift which is based on believing in Christ. Jn 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40, 47, 11:25-27, 20:31 To "reap" eternal life, which is NOT based on faith but on "sowing to the Spirit" is about earning reward in eternity.

The concept of reaping involves reward for effort. Like harvesting a crop. Takes effort. Work. Not about salvation.

Notice that we do not lose it by works but by unbelief.
If this is true, please provide the verse or passages that clearly states this.

And our hearts get hardened through the decietfulness of sin.
Yes, they can. But that is not loss of salvation. I don't build my doctrines or theology on assumption.

and notice all the "ifs" , if we hold fast and hold the beginning of our confidence.
Yes, and notice what all the "ifs" are about. They are NOT about maintaining our salvation.
 
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Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

If you live according to the flesh you must die. Because God's hedge of protection is down, the powers of darkness can bring adversity and death. "For to be carnally minded is death".

We cannot enter into the land of life and peace (rest) unless we love the Lord with ALL OF OUR HEARTS. When the Lord has all of our hearts, we are living totally for Him. This is what God demands and this walk eliminates all idolatry. This is the only walk which will overcome and enter into the land of peace and rest.

Carnal doctrines and false teachers are leading congregations into a form of godliness. A form of godliness gives congregations a false security and leads them to destruction. They will not receive discipline and reproof necessary to purify and sanctify their hearts. Their hearts become hardened and the Word can have no place in them.

1Pet_1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

Since they have put their trust in false teachers and a false security, the Spirit of God cannot lead them out of darkness. If they had not first known the way of righteousness and then hardened their hearts to God's Word, there would still be an opportunity for them to yet learn God's righteousness. But now having learned God's righteousness and having hardened their hearts to the holy commandment, their hearts have now become too hardened to return to God's Word. They no longer have a repentant heart. They cannot be perfected in love. They have fallen away from the faith.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
 
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I said this:
"The Bible tells us why people will be cast into the lake of fire in Rev 20:15. Their names are not in the book of life. They never had eternal life.

Christ died for ALL sins. Every one of them. Which is one reason salvation cannot be lost based on sin. All sin was judged and paid for.

Yes, and Jesus paid that price. In full.

Which is why no one goes to hell for their sins. They go there because they refused the free gift of eternal life"
Hebrews 3 corrects your thinking here
So, your view is that Christ didn't die for all sins, huh?? Or that He paid the price in full, huh?? Or that people are cast into the lake of fire because they don't possess eternal life, huh??

There is nothing in Hebrews or Galatians or anywhere else in the Bible that refutes what I have posted.

and read this in galatians

"Galatians 3:2,3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 4:19
My little children, of whom I travail in
birth again until Christ be formed in you,"

Galatians 4:20
I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you."

notice in this next part he is speaking to those who received the Spirit by faith he says

"18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:18-21

Notice he is speaking to believers here and warns them that if they do these things they will not inherit the kingdom of God. It is very clear to the unbiased reader
And to the uninformed reader, who would have no context for what Paul wrote, would not understand that to "inherit the kingdom of God" is not about entering heaven. It's about the inheritance IN heaven. A parallel passage says: For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Eph 5:5

Not 'having an inheritance IN the kingdom' is tantamount to 'not inheriting the kingdom'.

Paul said a similar thing in 1 Cor 6

'9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" 1 Cor 6:9,10
See Eph 5:5 which is a parallel passage.

Notice the part "be not deceived".
No kidding!! Yet, so many are.

How many are deceived by such a OSAS doctrine that as they are in sin they say Im ok, and the teachers tell them they are still saved and ok.
The deception is "loss of salvation". The Bible NEVER says this. It is only man's opinions. The Bible tells us that eternal life is a gift of God (Rom 6:23) and that the gifts of God are irrevocable (Rom 11:29). It could not be more clear.

If some believers want to think that there is something (anything) that they can do to get unsaved, that is an insult to the work of Christ on the cross, who paid for ALL sins. So there isn't anything one can do to undo salvation.
 
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Do the words Eternal Life appear in Romans 11:29?

NO! Checkmate!
We know where the words DO appear in Romans: 6:23. And the VERY NEXT TIME Paul mentions God's gifts after 6:23 is 11:29. So there would be no reason for Paul to repeat himself. He already defined what he meant by 'gift' in Rom 3:24 and 5:15-17 (justification) and Rom 6:23 (eternal life), so this kind of argument isn't even weak. It's non-existent.

Paul defined what he meant by 'gift' before he wrote 11:29. The conditional security ilk don't get to define what Paul meant because he already did so.

Stringing together parts from other scriptures to try and create a doctrine to prop up your preconceived idea, is no more scripture interpreting scripture, than tying to create a human being from parts of other human beings, and claiming you created a man, when all you've done is create
FRANKENSTEIN!!
Nonsense. It's called context, which some simply refuse to face. Paul defined for us what he meant by 'gift' several times before he said that God's gifts are irrevocable. There is no sane reason to think that he meant anything other than the definitions he already noted; spiritual gifts in 1:11, justification in 3:24 and 5:51-17 and eternal life in 6:23. Those are the ONLY places where Paul used the word 'gift' before he noted that God's gifts are irrevocable.

I Don't need to string together "parts" from other scriptures, to create s man made doctrine.

Not inherit the kingdom of God, says it all.

Checkmate!!!JLB
The view of loss of salvation comes from opinions, feelings, and guesses, rather from the Word of God.

Where are the verses that actually tell us that one can lose their salvation? No one has YET provided any.
 
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Just a note: it says "work out" your salvation, not "work for" your salvation. A nuance that is often not noted but is very important to note.

If we look at the context it's clear that Paul is speaking to the issue of obedience.

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. (Phil. 2:12 KJV)

It seems pretty clear that working out one's salvation includes obedience. However, if we look at the definition for the word "katergazomai" find that it means to accomplish.

1) to perform, accomplish, achieve 2) to work out i.e. to do that from which something results 2a) of things: bring about, result in 3) to fashion i.e. render one fit for a thing

This is in line with what Jesus said when asked about salvation. He said, 'strive to enter at the straight gate.'
 
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