What were British Royal ties with the Nazi regime? | The Guardian

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This possibly made news because the royal family are German Their origin is from the House of Orange. While the last name they adopted, Windsor, was derived from one of their estates.

That being said, everyone in that video is dead save the current queen of England. Holding up a child's innocent very brief Nazi salute as a means of smearing the grown woman who's over 80 years removed from that time is about as low as journalism can go.
What's it mean? Nothing! She was a child.
I rather favor the release of the information. Why not?

The inner workings of government and the elite throughout the twentieth century were far too secretive ... and remain far too secretive even now. Sunshine laws are called that for a reason.
 
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It's not about what the Queen did. It's about the monarchy and government.
I know I'm a bit late ...
That salute was mandatory in Germany. So giving it to appease a German diplomat is just that, being diplomatic. And the British Government at that time was trying to keep the peace with Germany.

Somehow, 80 years later, news, running out of real news make this gesture an issue. And; did the Royals sympathize with the Nazis? I seriously doubt that. Like Russia, Germany was a threat.
 
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They are making a huge deal over it because most people don't have a clue about world events at that time, and anything that has "Nazi" or "Hitler" tied to it makes them break out in a huge hissy fit. Never mind that Germany hadn't invaded any place at that time, never mind the The Final Solution was still years away... Most people today think the war started when Pearl was fired on in 1941, and they have no idea that the US was already in it up to its collective eyeballs long before 12/7/1941, via Lend-Lease. We were giving military supplies to England and the USSR; that is hardly being "neutral."
 
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Point it out.
I already highlighted many relevant parts. Imagine someone trying to gain permission to conduct archaeological digs at various sites to uncover and analyze WW2 Holocaust artifacts. They can be prosecuted for attempting to deny, put in doubt, justify, or dispute the official story, or simply for "disturbing the public peace".
 
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I already highlighted many relevant parts. Imagine someone trying to gain permission to conduct archaeological digs at various sites to uncover and analyze WW2 Holocaust artifacts. They can be prosecuted for attempting to deny, put in doubt, justify, or dispute the official story, or simply for "disturbing the public peace".

Nothing you posted, would limit one's desire to investigate the evidence, no matter how many times you make the claim.
 
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I know I'm a bit late ...
That salute was mandatory in Germany. So giving it to appease a German diplomat is just that, being diplomatic. And the British Government at that time was trying to keep the peace with Germany.

Somehow, 80 years later, news, running out of real news make this gesture an issue. And; did the Royals sympathize with the Nazis? I seriously doubt that. Like Russia, Germany was a threat.
Well said.

I think it's those who are opposed to the Monarchy thinking to use this as an inroad to slam the queen. Plus, they know that most American's are clueless about real history so of any nation we're likely to make a big stink over this because we've been saturated in drama programming for decades.
While British citizens see it for what it is. Pathetic.
 
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This possibly made news because the royal family are German Their origin is from the House of Orange. While the last name they adopted, Windsor, was derived from one of their estates.

That being said, everyone in that video is dead save the current queen of England. Holding up a child's innocent very brief Nazi salute as a means of smearing the grown woman who's over 80 years removed from that time is about as low as journalism can go.
What's it mean? Nothing! She was a child.

What I am pretty sure is the last known picture 'of' my avatar shows him giving the Nazi salute to Hitler. Less than a week later he delivered a rather different 'salute'.

That a child would salute in the same manner has even less meaning as evidence of support for the regime.
 
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The more I think about it the more I am concerned about focusing on how 'The Royals' were at fault. It seems that they are being made a scapegoat, that the views of the common man are being ignored or at the least put far into the background.

In many ways Hitler was little different than many others of the time. The one huge difference is he took the attitude to its logical conclusion. And even in that he was not all that different from several others. Having control of Germany and having efficient mignons to do his work simply revealed the monster he was, there are still many similar monsters today. Hopefully none will ever have the power he did.

But he would have failed miserable if his views were not shared by a huge number of people. If the bias were against one of the regions of Germany or Austria he quickly would have been deposed.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Allied and Axis leadership were both secretly on the same side. Using the Bible and the Koran and their veiled prophecies as "playbooks" to manipulate world events, and thus, the psychology of the masses, for profit. The People being the losers.

Somehow I knew that this would end up as a grand conspiracy with thousands of people in on it but no-one talking. Just like 9/11.

The tactics of holocaust deniers and 9/1 truthers are the same - present snippets of evidence and demand explanations whilst refusing to present comprehensive evidence for their arguments, all the while ignoring the overwhelming evidence against their argument
 
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Nothing you posted, would limit one's desire to investigate the evidence, no matter how many times you make the claim.
I disagree with you, you disagree with me. Got it.

Whatever the case may be, the fact that there are indeed laws against questioning the official party line regarding the Holocaust shields "real investigation of the evidence", if not on the actual land, then in the public forum, in court, etc.

As someone with a science background, are you not against such laws?
 
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Somehow I knew that this would end up as a grand conspiracy with thousands of people in on it but no-one talking. Just like 9/11.

The tactics of holocaust deniers and 9/1 truthers are the same - present snippets of evidence and demand explanations whilst refusing to present comprehensive evidence for their arguments, all the while ignoring the overwhelming evidence against their argument
False witness & red herrings.

As I've said multiple times, I am not here to argue for or against the official Allied story regarding the Holocaust. I am against those who would suppress free speech and debate, or hold blind devotion to one side or another; and I have indeed pointed out the multiplicity of laws against this topic (comprehensive evidence for my argument).
 
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I disagree with you, you disagree with me. Got it.

Whatever the case may be, the fact that there are indeed laws against questioning the official party line regarding the Holocaust shields "real investigation of the evidence", if not on the actual land, then in the public forum, in court, etc.

As someone with a science background, are you not against such laws?

I don't like the laws, they inhibit freedom of speech. With that said, they do not inhibit any investigation of the evidence.
 
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I don't like the laws, they inhibit freedom of speech. With that said, they do not inhibit any investigation of the evidence.
The laws only explicitly forbid denying holocaust facts to promote anti antisemitism. And it has to be proven in court that your opinion against the holocaust is willfully anti Semitic. Thus I think freedom of speech exists, even in Germany, for as long as your speech, right or wrong is not designed to promote hate against Jews.

Look at it from the government side, they paid (still pay) billions of Deutsch Marks and now Euros to Israel for the damage the Nazis inflicted, only to cater to those that ignore history and say the Nazis did no such thing. I am all for free speech, but keep hate to yourself.
 
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What I am pretty sure is the last known picture 'of' my avatar shows him giving the Nazi salute to Hitler. Less than a week later he delivered a rather different 'salute'.

That a child would salute in the same manner has even less meaning as evidence of support for the regime.

And I bet no one on this board, including our resident denier in this thread, even knows the name of the man in your avatar, and why he is of any significance. ;)
 
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The more I think about it the more I am concerned about focusing on how 'The Royals' were at fault. It seems that they are being made a scapegoat, that the views of the common man are being ignored or at the least put far into the background.

In many ways Hitler was little different than many others of the time. The one huge difference is he took the attitude to its logical conclusion. And even in that he was not all that different from several others. Having control of Germany and having efficient mignons to do his work simply revealed the monster he was, there are still many similar monsters today. Hopefully none will ever have the power he did.

But he would have failed miserable if his views were not shared by a huge number of people. If the bias were against one of the regions of Germany or Austria he quickly would have been deposed.
You are very close to the point, Keith.

To continue the discussion about how a huge number of people shared "his" views ... how did that happen? Dietrich Bonhoeffer didn't share der Fuehrer's views. Dietrich Bonhoeffer spoke out against the Nazis and was denounced as an enemy of the state in 1936. Why is it that the Royals didn't act similarly? Was it because of fear? Was it because they didn't want to ruffle feathers? Did they have a vested interest in der Fuehrer's success?

Or were they simply as utterly stupid as you suggest them to be? If so, then doesn't that strengthen the argument for doing away with the monarchy altogether since it apparently serves no useful purpose at all.
 
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The laws only explicitly forbid denying holocaust facts to promote anti antisemitism. And it has to be proven in court that your opinion against the holocaust is willfully anti Semitic. Thus I think freedom of speech exists, even in Germany, for as long as your speech, right or wrong is not designed to promote hate against Jews.

Look at it from the government side, they paid (still pay) billions of Deutsch Marks and now Euros to Israel for the damage the Nazis inflicted, only to cater to those that ignore history and say the Nazis did no such thing. I am all for free speech, but keep hate to yourself.

Considering the circumstances, I completely understand why these laws are on the books.

Again, the laws DO NOT inhibit the free investigation of the evidence.
 
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Considering the circumstances, I completely understand why these laws are on the books.

Again, the laws DO NOT inhibit the free investigation of the evidence.
Correct. Even a small potato like me can go and investigate, quite openly. Frankly, this holocaust was so shocking, I had a hard time believing it and needed to figure this out for myself.

Also, even so getting way off topic, but I do feel strongly about this: one is permitted to even deny the holocaust per se, but one is strictly prohibited to link this denial to shine a positive light for the National Socialist Party (Nazis). So when one reads (from other sources) that Germany has room for improvement in respect to Freedom of Speech, yes it does, right or wrong trying to make the Nazis look good could get you five+ years in the 'Zuchthaus'.
 
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