The Rider Of The White Horse.

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I know, it is in Iran. I was trying to show the pattern in the OT as
what not having a bow any longer means. Elam and Israel are some
of the ways to tell this.

Hosea 1:4-5
Jeremiah 49:35


Jeremiah 49:38 says God will set His throne in Elam.

This could be a clue to where the Ark of the Covenant was hidden...
the name, Elam, means hidden or secret.

One thing is sure because it is historical... God's anointed king, Cyrus, arose from Elam [now part of Iran]
to conquer Babylon [now Iraq.]


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This Is The 2nd Or 3rd Time I Have Posted Concerning This Topic. People Think The Rider Of The White Horse Is The Antichrist. How Can One Of The Riders Be A Person And The Rest Be Things? I Think The Rider Of The White Horse Symbolizes The Ministry Of The Church Or The Church Itself. People Rightly Point Out That The Church And Israel Are Usually Symbolized By A Woman. But There Are Exceptions.

Exodus 4:22 - "And You Shall Say Unto Pharaoh `This Is What JEHOVAH Says' Israel Is My Son, My Firstborn Son"

Also Read Hosea 11:1 To See My Point.


The Rider Held A Bow Which I Think Is The Bible. The Crown Might Symbolise Victory.

I think Matthew 24:5 explains well what the white horse is:

"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet (Matthew 24:5 ESV)."

The red horse talks about taking peace away from the earth. Matthew 24:6 follows that too:

"For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom...(Matthew 24:6 ESV)."
 
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Ezekiel tells us God's presence left the temple in Jerusalem...
leaving for the east. This is symbolic of the Ark being removed
before Babylon/Edom destroyed Jerusalem/temple.

Something unknown happened to the Ark... it is not listed in
the temple treasuries that were taken into Babylon and
returned under Cyrus. Ezra 1

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Here is something else interesting...

Ezekiel speaks about wheels within wheels when he refers
to the presence of God leaving the temple.

The only symbol used by Cyrus' Persia for their one invisible god...
looks like a flying vehicle with an outer wheel and inner wheel.

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I need to get going, so I'll get back to your comments later.
Are you referring to the glory of God moved east?
What verses are you thinking about?


Yes... the glory of God leaving the temple toward the east...
and leaving Jerusalem toward the east.

Elam [where Cyrus arose] is east of Jerusalem.

It's in Ezekiel... the wheel within a wheel part... it covers
three chapters so it is difficult to give chapter and verse.

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We are MORE THAN CONQUERORS THROUGH CHRIST JESUS!!! The rider on the white horse is Christ after His resurrection!

He was crowned with GLORY AND HONOR...however, Christ sent out 11 apostles on HIS AUTHORITY to preach the gospel.

I believe the passage of Romans 8:31-39 makes the case:
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
33 Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;
34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 Just as it is written, “For Your sake we are being put to death all day long; We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.
38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The white horse rider IS NOT anitchrist!!! That is a fallacy!!! Scripture NEVER uses white (which is symbolic of purity and sinless perfection) for Satan nor his emissaries.

There is NO referent for the white horse rider to be antichrist...NOT ONE!


 
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Only the Lamb has the right to open the seals and reveal their meaning and he does this in the olivet discourse.

First white horse = Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

Second red horse = And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

Third black horse = And there will be famines

Forth pale horse = pestilences

So what we have in the First white horse is religious deception within Christianity.


Amen!!!!Spot on.......
 
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This Is The 2nd Or 3rd Time I Have Posted Concerning This Topic. People Think The Rider Of The White Horse Is The Antichrist. How Can One Of The Riders Be A Person And The Rest Be Things? I Think The Rider Of The White Horse Symbolizes The Ministry Of The Church Or The Church Itself. People Rightly Point Out That The Church And Israel Are Usually Symbolized By A Woman. But There Are Exceptions.

Exodus 4:22 - "And You Shall Say Unto Pharaoh `This Is What JEHOVAH Says' Israel Is My Son, My Firstborn Son"

Also Read Hosea 11:1 To See My Point.


The Rider Held A Bow Which I Think Is The Bible. The Crown Might Symbolise Victory.
Why would you think that when there's nothing in the text that even hints to that?

Here's what I know. They are 5 beast kingdoms, from Babylon to Rome; 5 fallen angels, the Beast and the 4 Euphrates angels; and 5 horsemen, the 4 listed and "Hell" that followed "Death." Why?

In Zech 1:8-19 and 6:1-9 we have the same color horses as Revelation's horsemen, sent to and fro thru the earth. The color of the horses are white, black, red, pale (gray), and speckled (spotted).

Zech 6:5, when asked what the chariots [horses and riders] meant, the angel answered, they are the "4 [5] spirits of the heavens" that go forth from before God.

So, who do you suppose them to be if not angels.

Zec 3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zec 4:10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
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Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.



A changing of the guards:

Zec 1:18 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and behold four horns.
Zec 1:19 And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What be these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.
Zec 1:20 And the LORD shewed me four carpenters.
Zec 1:21
Then said I, What come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head: but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it.


- So who do you suppose the "4 horns" to be if not the 4 [5] beast kingdoms in Dan 7, and the "4 carpenters" to be Christ.

Dan 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.



Last but not least:

2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2Ki 2:12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.

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2Ki 13:14 Now Elisha was fallen sick of his sickness whereof he died. And Joash the king of Israel came down unto him, and wept over his face, and said, O my father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof.

Again, here we have chariots, horses, and horsemen identified as angels.

The 4 [5] horsemen are the 4 [5] kings that represent the 4 [5] beast kingdoms in Daniel, the 4 [5] horns" that scattered Israel, Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, Alexander the Great, Augustus, and Nerva.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn [Nerva] made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.


By the way, these 5 fallen angels also represent the "5 naked eye planets" that are worshiped in every pagan religion, allegedly the 4 winds of the earth.

Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
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Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

 
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The 4 [5] horsemen are the 4 [5] kings that represent the 4 [5] beast kingdoms in Daniel, the 4 [5] horns" that scattered Israel,
Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, Alexander the Great, Augustus, and Nerva.


Assyria conquered and scattered the Northern Kingdom of Israel... a century before Babylon destroyed Jerusalem
and scattered the Southern Kingdom of Judah..

Cyrus did not scatter Israel... the total opposite.

Cyrus is called God's anointed in Isaiah 45:1-6 God stood at Cyrus' side and subdued kings to give Cyrus victory.
Also in Isaiah, Cyrus is called God's shepherd who does God's will and rebuilds Jerusalem Isaiah 44:28

Cyrus conquered Babylon, liberated God's people, Israel, and sent a portion of them back to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple

Ezra 1

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Why did the ancient Aryan Persians ally with and help Israel ?

Here is the mystery behind it.

When Assyria conquered the Northern Kingdom of Israel... it removed most of the Israelites out of the Holy Land
and into the Assyrian empire... and specifically into the "cities of the Medes." 2 Kings 17:6

The Medes were Aryans.. allied with the Medes were another Aryan people, the Persians who were divided into
10 or 12 tribes [10 or 12 depending upon which ancient Greek is telling the history.]

The anointing of God is usually reserved for Israelite kings and priests. God's anointing of Cyrus may be a clue...
Cyrus liberating Israel and returning them to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple may be another clue. It is also
recorded in secular history that the Persians would announce the date for Passover across their vast empire.

Secular history says the ancient Persians worshiped one invisible god, practiced a form of baptism and believed
in the resurrection of the dead. Isaiah 45:4 says Cyrus did not know God... but the book of Daniel says "Darius"...
which many Bible scholars think was a title for Cyrus... came to know God... and decreed his vast Persian empire
worship the God of Daniel. Daniel 6:25-26.

Could these 10-12 tribe Persians be descendants of the Northern tribes of Israel ?



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Assyria conquered and scattered the Northern Kingdom of Israel... a century before Babylon destroyed Jerusalem
and scattered the Southern Kingdom of Judah..

Cyrus did not scatter Israel... the total opposite.

Cyrus is called God's anointed in Isaiah 45:1-6 God stood at Cyrus' side and subdued kings to give Cyrus victory.
Also in Isaiah, Cyrus is called God's shepherd who does God's will and rebuilds Jerusalem Isaiah 44:28

Cyrus conquered Babylon, liberated God's people, Israel, and sent a portion of them back to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple

Ezra 1

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What does this have to do with all the information I posted on the horsemen?
 
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What does this have to do with all the information I posted on the horsemen?


You said Cyrus was one of those who scattered Israel...
Cyrus did the total opposite. My post proved it.


Assyria conquered and scattered the Northern Kingdom of Israel... a century before Babylon destroyed Jerusalem
and scattered the Southern Kingdom of Judah..


Cyrus did not scatter Israel... the total opposite.

Cyrus is called God's anointed in Isaiah 45:1-6 God stood at Cyrus' side and subdued kings to give Cyrus victory. Also in Isaiah, Cyrus is called God's shepherd who does God's will and rebuilds Jerusalem Isaiah 44:28

Cyrus conquered Babylon, liberated God's people, Israel, and sent a portion of them back to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple Ezra 1



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I always thought the rider of the White Horse represented Christ return and the rest represented the actions described in Revelations of the end of days. Could someone straighten me out if this is not the case. I might not be Chistian but I'm open to understanding. Revelations is a very interesting book.
 
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You said Cyrus was one of those who scattered Israel...
Cyrus did the total opposite. My post proved it.





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So, you are saying Cyrus and Persia/Media aren't number with the beasts and beast kingdoms in Daniel? The order isn't chronological?
 
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So, you are saying Cyrus and Persia/Media aren't number with the beasts and beast kingdoms in Daniel? The order isn't chronological?


My words are clear.... they are not difficult to understand.

YOU said Cyrus was one of those who scattered Israel.

MY post proves you wrong... Cyrus did not scatter Israel.

Cyrus was God's shepherd who returned Israel back to the Holy Land
and decreed the rebuilding of Jersusalem and the temple.

Your post was interesting until I read what you said about Cyrus...
that obvious mistake put into question everything else you posted.
You are doing yourself a disservice by continuing to embrace the error.


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