Revelation's Unfolding

AlasBabylon said:

I wonder how many times.. if any... you had heard of Cyrus before you read my posts...
yet he plays a very important part in OT history and prophecy.

Isaiah calls Cyrus God's anointed... God's shepherd who does God's will to restore the
city of Jerusalem and the temple.

Cyrus rescued Israel from Babylonian captivity and decreed the rebuilding of the temple.
He was a hero to the ancient Israelites... an OT archetype of Christ.

Along with Babylon, Cyrus is represented in symbolic form in the book of Revelation.


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Don't worry, I'm picking up what you're throwing down. I too believe that Revelation 16's mentioning of the drying up of th Euphrates River was a literary device to cause the readers to recall Cyrus' conquest of Babylon. It is rather interesting and confusing tough.

I want to call to mind something that interrupts the sequence of the sixth plague, namely Jesus' words:

"Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame (Revelation‬ ‭16‬:‭15‬ NASB)."

Why the interruption? The drying up of the Euphrates River calls to mind how Cyrus took Babylon unaware. This matches what Jesus said about coming like a thief in the night. In the midst of this suprise sandwich is the gathering of the kings of the earth to Mount Megiddo for war for the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:12-16). Why the inclusio?

What is the author getting at?

Barraco said:

Don't worry, I'm picking up what you're throwing down. I too believe that Revelation 16's mentioning of the drying up of th Euphrates River was a literary device to cause the readers to recall Cyrus' conquest of Babylon. It is rather interesting and confusing tough.

I want to call to mind something that interrupts the sequence of the sixth plague, namely Jesus' words:

"Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame (Revelation‬ ‭16‬:‭15‬ NASB)."

Why the interruption? The drying up of the Euphrates River calls to mind how Cyrus took Babylon unaware. This matches what Jesus said about coming like a thief in the night. In the midst of this suprise sandwich is the gathering of the kings of the earth to Mount Megiddo for war for the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:12-16). Why the inclusio?

What is the author getting at?

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You are an educated enlightened rare breed indeed !

All the times I have posted about Cyrus here and you are one of the very few who have responded intelligently.

Thank you for responding.

Yes... the "coming like a thief" also relates to how Cyrus conquered Babylon... literally like a thief in the night.
Babylon was having a festival that night and the Babylonians were partying drunk in the streets. Cyrus' troops
diverted the water of the Euphrates so they could secretly enter Babylon by going under Babylon's wall along
the dried up river bed. This is similar to how David conquered the citadel of Zion. Cyrus' troops pretended
to be fellow Babylonian revelers as they made their way through the city undetected to the palace. Many
of the Babylonians did not realize the city had been invaded until they woke up the next morning and found
the city... and the empire... under new management.

In Rev 16... it is the unholy trinity [dragon, beast and false prophet] who gathers the kings of the earth together
for battle. The thief is the joker in the deck and things do not go as the unholy trinity had planned.


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Straightshot said:

Says AlasB the mystic ...... who tells of the "Cyrus" gospel

Your interpretation of the Bible prophets borders on the twilight zone

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If you think my Cyrus posts are in another world... one wonders why you bother to respond.


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This is a very odd but interesting conversation considering the title of this topic.


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Straightshot said:

The poster interpreter lives in the past and attempts to apply future prophecy into the past

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LOL. Why do you futurist insist on calling John a liar? John said the Revelation would begin unfolding "with speed", and it did. Jesus opened the first seal in 312AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow. Jesus has ruled the earth through His followers ever since, and the great tribulation and 95% of the Revelation has already come to pass, and God's chosen people still rule the earth, and will to the end.

interpreter said:

God's chosen people still rule the earth, and will to the end.

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Since they rule the earth [and you are right... they do currently rule]...
they are accountable for their legalized blasphemy and perversion...
abortion and sodomites... wars and murders.

This is the very subject discussed on another topic here earlier...
how the righteous who had been given the laws of God... rebelled
and became a harlot... and the USA who has ruled the world since
1945.. is the biggest harlot of them all.


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AlasBabylon said:

the USA is the biggest harlot of them all.

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Maybe, but not biblically. You won't find the USA in Scripture.

A New World said:

Maybe, but not biblically. You won't find the USA in Scripture.

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Revelation 17:5

Mystery Babylon the great, mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.


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AlasBabylon said:

Revelation 17:5

Mystery Babylon the great, mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.

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And you believe this scripture references the USA because....?

parousia70 said:

And you believe this scripture references the USA because....?

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Because the USA fits very well into both Babylon's and Mystery Babylon's ruby slippers.

Both ancient Babylon and Mystery Babylon rule over the nations of the earth... importing
and exporting abominations... as the USA has done since 1945.

Mystery Babylon is the center for world trade... as is the USA.

Ancient Babylon broke in pieces the nations of the earth... removing people from their lands
and moving others in to take their place... and causing many diverse people to move into Babylon...
turning it into a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious salad-bowl, melting pot. When Cyrus
conquered Babylon, he returned Babylon's captives back to their native lands and restored them...
as he did the Israelites.


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AlasBabylon said:

Revelation 17:5

Mystery Babylon the great, mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.


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Nope that's not the USA. Mystery Babylon the great was none other than the great city Jerusalem the mother of harlots in the first century AD. In her was found the blood of the prophets and the saints. She was even guilty of killing Jesus Himself.

Matthew 23:34 "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

Matthew 23:37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

Revelation 18:2 And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird.

Revelation 18:24 "And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth."

The evidence is clear, concise, and inescapable. First century Old Covenant Jerusalem was mystery Babylon the great. Her judgment came in the years leading up to and including AD 70.

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Jerusalem is not Mystery Babylon.

The Edomite synagogue of satan who misrule from Jerusalem are the dragon.

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AlasBabylon said:

Since they rule the earth [and you are right... they do currently rule]...
they are accountable for their legalized blasphemy and perversion...
abortion and sodomites... wars and murders.

This is the very subject discussed on another topic here earlier...
how the righteous who had been given the laws of God... rebelled
and became a harlot... and the USA who has ruled the world since
1945.. is the biggest harlot of them all.


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The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th horseman to rule the earth for Jesus. Our weapons bring hell and death to His enemies.We are currently dropping 100-pound "hailstones" on the latest face of the 7th head of the beast, in the Battle of Ar Mageddon which began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry.

The great harlot is Moscow which sits on 7 hills and many waters (5 seas), and shed the blood of thousands of saints, and at the beginning of the great tribulation, was briefly aligned with Hitler the antichrist. And Moscow was the mother of harlots (other atheist nations).

AlasBabylon said:

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Jerusalem is not Mystery Babylon.

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A New World posted scriptures that draw a very clear connection between the two.
Why don't you take the 4 scriptures that he posted and show us why they don't mean what he contends they mean?

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Rev 13...

The USA is the first beast from the sea. The deadly wound to one of the seven heads [one of the seven continents = Europe]
was Hitler... he wounded the NWO plan for global government [League of Nations] planned after WW1. The second beast...
also called the false prophet [allied with the first beast] created the satanic fire that the first beast dropped from heaven
[nuking Japan twice.] The second beast's image of the first beast is popular media that spreads the USA's blasphemous degenerate
political and social culture around the world.


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parousia70 said:

A New World posted scriptures that draw a very clear connection between the two.
Why don't you take the 4 scriptures that he posted and show us why they don't mean what he contends they mean?

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I have already posted how the USA fits into Mystery Babylon's ruby slippers... no one has yet disputed that.

Jerusalem has never been a hub of world trade like both ancient and Mystery Babylon... and it has never been
a world power that has broken the nations of the world into pieces.

As for being responsible for all the slain of the earth... even going back to Cain slaying Abel... that is mentioned
three times... once in connection with ancient Babylon... once in connection with the scribes and pharisees....
and once in connection with Mystery Babylon.

There is another connection no one mentions... Edom... Israel's enemy, was allied with ancient Babylon. 1 Esdras 4:45
says when Babylon destroyed Jerusalem, Edom burned the temple. http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Esdras-4-45/

When Israelites were in Babylonian captivity, Edomites moved into the Holy Land.

In NT times, Edom allied with Rome. In the 2nd century BC, Edom had lost a war against Israel... and Israel allowed the
Edomites to live in the kingdom of Israel if they "converted"... which they all did en masse [Josephus, Antiquities XIII 9 1.]

In 37BC Herod who was an Edomite-jew conquered Jerusalem. Rome declared him king of Judea. Herod murdered
the royal heirs of the Kingdom of Israel... totally destroyed the second temple even removing the foundation stones,
rebuilt and added to it [as the tradition of the elders had destroyed and added to God's Law.] This was the political
and religious situation during the time of Christ and explains why some "jews" followed Christ while other "jews" were
hostile and tried to kill him as their Edomite king, Herod, had tried to do when he slaughtered the babes of Bethlehem.


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AlasBabylon said:

I have already posted how the USA fits into Mystery Babylon's ruby slippers... no one has yet disputed that.

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I dispute that.
Can you provide scripture that shows that in the USA is found the blood of the prophets?

Something like this will do:

Matthew 23:34 "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

Matthew 23:37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

Revelation 18:24 "And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth."

Just show us the scripture that uses USA instead of Jerusalem.

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You totally ignored what I posted... either that or you read it but didn't understand it.
But that is to be expected most of the time because... many are called but few chosen.

In the long run... it doesn't matter what one "believes" the identity of Mystery Babylon is...
God's plan plays out as it is predestined.


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