Islam, The Harlot City of Mecca; Tower Of Babel Rebuilt

vinsight4u said:

Hi ysm,

Are you still around here? I have some things to chat about if you
want to. first question ----What do you think makes an angel the
watcher type? has many eyes? or what?
Daniiel 4:13///a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven
///This has do with a dream Nebuchadnezzar had.

When Daniel interprets the dream, he makes them plural as to who
gave the decree and the demand. Daniel 4:17

What do watchers watch?

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Hi V4u,
Very little time the rest of month, and I have to be quick:
The Watchers are the rulers/judges [dan]/princes, the mighty ones, who rule in the heavens and over the earth, Seven chiefs of them are named by Enoch, who stand before the LORD:
They can appear as men, and take wings, and are also stars, so they are "fires", also.


The Seven Archangels
Enoch 20 And these are the names of the holy angels who watch.

2Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus.
3Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men.
4Raguel, one of the holy angels who takes vengeance on the world of the luminaries.
5Michael, one of the holy angels, to wit, he that is set over the best part of mankind and over chaos.
6Saraqael, one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit.
7Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim.
8Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise.

In Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar was judged by them, and he learned to fear God.
In Psalm 82, in the Hebrew, the LORD stands in the congregation of them and warns them to do the judgment and justice he set them to do, else they would die and be cast down and fall as Adam, the one prince.
The angels who appeared in Genesis 18 and ate a meal with Abraham and then dined with Lot [says the book of Jasher], and whom the Sodomites wanted to rape, were Watchers, who came down to judge.
The Ophannim have eyes all around.

vinsight4u said:

Why did you put that "dan" part after judges? What do you mean by stars as to the chiefs?
Stars can be fires.

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Dan means "judge", in Hebrew, and before the flood, and after, the land of the Dan was that land where the Watchers descended and took the oath to not return to their heavenly habitation, but to curse themselves by taking daughters of Adam as wives. For that reason, Mount Zion in the north was ever after -even after the flood, called "Mount Hermon" -which means "Oath".
The understanding of this is in the Book of Enoch.
So the Watchers/"Judges" are the "Dan", and the fallen ones of the Watchers before and after the flood descended at Mount Hermon/Mount Zion of the north.

Stars are angels, and the stars are not burning furnaces, as modern unbelieving men try to convince themselves and biblically illiterate souls, but are the "lights" God made and set on courses in the rotating heavens, to bring in the seasons and feasts and days and years, along wiht the sun. They are ordained to bless the earth for the seasons -or to withold the blessings for the earth because of sinners, and there are so many with so many divisions and leaders that I have no idea of all their offices and how they interrelate, but Enoch was shown the "luminaries" and their courses, and wrote much of them, in his book.
God knows them all by name, and they obey Him.
There is much more about the stars in the Word and in Enoch, as to their dominion over the earth, from the heavens.
The temple of God in heaven is made of pillars of fire and "tessalated crysal" [cut diamonds for building stones of that Temple set in the Sun -I have a thread on that temple, which, when I wrote, I did not yet understand that the crystal was diamonds, but thought rock crystal]; the pillars of fire/flames of fire, are angels of fire, who serve Him. "He makes His angels a "flame of fire", as it is written.
Even the "lightnings" are angels, in Enoch and in the book of Job [which is written with full understanding of the Book of Enoch's revelations].
The universe is not built of flaming impersonal furnaces of fire called "stars", but is an "Electric universe", with the stars conducting the "light" called into being on day 1, conducting that "light" electromagnetically, through the heavens to the sun, which is the "Governor" ruler of light by day.
The creation is entirely animate, with all created forces answering to and serving the Creator's ordained roles for them....and all for the blessing of earth, for the glory of God, and for His purposes of "building a house not made with hands" of living stones, for His glory to indwell, and to "plant the heavens" thereby, as it is written.

vinsight4u said:

Hi ysm,

I'm still taking in all you wrote in your last two posts Thanks. Are you saying
that Psalms 147:4 is about angels? Isaiah 40:26? Isaiah 34:4?
Isaiah 13:10

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Certainly looks like it, in context, but the 34:6 is a different word, if you do the search on dissolve in the blb online.
The heavens and earth will be elementally dissolved and metamorphosed into the New, which happens in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, and nothing is gone but the corruption and sin, like our own bodies which are going to be elementally dissolved and changed in a twinkling of an eye, if we are alive and remain when the rapture comes, or else raised from the grave and made as new clothes for our souls to wear in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, by the dust of corruption undergoing a molecular metamorphosis in a nano second -as I understand it....
Enoch has more to say about the regeneration of the heavens and the earth, and both Enoch and the OT and NT teach that the heavens and earth are forever and forever, and all that God has made, but the elemental dissolving of all creation is to cleanse it and restore it to the New Beginning.

vinsight4u said:

Hi ysm,

I have another question. Why do you think the seraphim used tongs in
Isaiah 6?

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I have no idea.

vinsight4u said:

Enoch
The Four Presences

2And on the four sides of the Lord of Spirits I saw four presences, different from those that sleep not, and I learnt their names: for the angel that went with me made known to me their names, and showed me all the hidden things.

3And I heard the voices of those four presences as they uttered praises before the Lord of glory.
4The first voice blesses the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.
5And the second voice I heard blessing the Elect One and the elect ones who hang upon the Lord of Spirits.
6And the third voice I heard pray and intercede for those who dwell on the earth and supplicate in the name of the Lord of Spirits.
7And I heard the fourth voice fending off the satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth

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Hi ysm,
Number 7 is the one that I have a question about, because saints are accused before the
throne of God before Satan is cast down to go after the brethren that he had been
accusing in heaven. Revelation 12:10 shows he accuses them day and night before he
comes down. Which shows Satan is not cast down hundreds of years before the great tribulation, nor he is locked up in a pit for a thousand years first.

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The pit locking for Satan is for the thousand year Sabbath, but he never ever enters heaven when he is released to try those born on earth in the Millennial reign, for that is ended forever when the heavens are "made new" for the Sabbath millennium, and no death by corruption comes on the earth in that time, and no dead are buried in the earth in those years, for the accursed of that Reign go to the Lake of Fire, soul in body, which is the second death and is why they are "accursed".
Millennial reign, earth cleansed and new before the Great Day, the 8th Day, the New Beginning:

Isaiah 66:
The Reign and Indignation of God

14
When you see this, your heart shall rejoice,
And your bones shall flourish like grass;
The hand of the Lord shall be known to His servants,
And His indignation to His enemies.
15
For behold, the Lord will come with fire
And with His chariots, like a whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
16
For by fire and by His sword
The Lord will judge all flesh;
And the slain of the Lord shall be many.

17
“Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall be consumed together,” says the Lord.

18 “For I know their works and their thoughts. It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory. 19 I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul[a] and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles. 20 Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the Lord out of all nations, on horses and in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the Lord, “as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. 21 And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites,” says the Lord.

22
“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23
And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

24
“And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

as it was in the days of Noah....and if so, the flesh of those bodies will not rise and will be dissolved elementally after the thousand year reign, for nephillim do not get the illegal flesh bodies back...

BTW: those bodies are not buried in the earth, but burn for the thousand years without consuming....methinks they are genetically altered flesh done by manipulation of genes

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vinsight4u said:

It has bugged me for many years as to why did the seraphim use tongs?
Isaiah 6:6...Isaiah 54:16
2 Kings 24:14...1 Samuel 13:19

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Check it out in the duties of the Priests serving in the temple. Everything Moses wrote for the priesthood service was a pattern of heavenly things.